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03GTI
04-14-2003, 05:21 PM
It's been a looooong time since I've posted on this board, but I figured I'd get back on and pass along some info to you guys if/when you ever decide to trade-in (or sell) your GAGT's. I bought my silver coupe in June of 2000 while living in Illinois. I *LOVED* the car, and I frequented this board *many* times. By the time I was finished, I had installed a full CAI (the civic version) the dual gauge pillar with A/F ratio and tranny temp, the fan override switch, front/rear strut tower bars, the air temp tricker, and a whole slew of various interior exterior mods.

Then I moved to Houston, TX where I commute 94 miles per DAY roundtrip to and from work. That's 2,000 miles a MONTH. The gas was killing me, the car hit 40K miles and I started getting this bad-mojo feeling that she wasn't going to hold together very long. I drive HARD down here, we're talking 80-90mph on the beltway in NASCAR-style traffic. Extreme heat, extreme stopping and starting. Anyway, I started the process of figuring out what my value on the car was versus my payoff versus what I could get selling it privately versus trade-in. The dealerships will TELL YOU that the "mods hurt the value of the vehicle.." Some of them claim upwards of $1K less than the book value. DO NOT BELIEVE THIS BUNK!!!! IT IS BS. Plain and simple. Shop around, talk to different dealers, and do it at the end of the month when they're looking to move inventory. The rough value of a 00' GAGT with my options and the condition it was in (excellent) was $7K on the bottom-end (trade-in value) to $9K on the extreme high end. These were very accurate, fair, reasonable figures for the used car market down here. I ended up getting $8K for the trade-in. It was well worth shopping around.

Anyway, I've always wanted a VW GTI, even when I first bought my GAGT, a GTI was my first choice. So it was worth the wait, and the GAGT was a fantastic car to "tide me over." =) The GTI is a whole different animal playing in a different field entirely. I'll tell you guys something, for under $20K, there is NOTHING on the road that can even touch this car. Seriously. I know what it takes to make a GAGT fast, and I'd run my 1.8t with just an intake against a GAGT with a supercharger kit and come out on top. It's a totally insane ride.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post. Just thought I'd let ya know that the GAGT's do hold their value fairly well regardless of what a dealer might try to tell you. However, that 40-50K mile mark is the best time (in my opinion) to unload it if you're thinking about it. It's still got enough value left in it to make a trade-up worth your while.

2003 GTI 1.8t 5spd Tiptronic

AMRAAM4
04-14-2003, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by 03GTI
I'll tell you guys something, for under $20K, there is NOTHING on the road that can even touch this car. Seriously. I know what it takes to make a GAGT fast, and I'd run my 1.8t with just an intake against a GAGT with a supercharger kit and come out on top.

1. You obviously don't know what it takes to make a GA fast. I feel confident a boost brother can take you, unless that intake provides about 30 HP ....which it doesn't.
2. You're right, won't touch your car, because you'll be trying to catch up.

NOTHING can touch a stock GTI with intake. Pleazzzzzze, SRT-4 will eat your lunch. Stop being a homer.

2002GT
04-14-2003, 09:04 PM
:stupid: :cheers: :wave: :thumbs:

MetaGTP1
04-14-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by 03GTI

I know what it takes to make a GAGT fast, and I'd run my 1.8t with just an intake against a GAGT with a supercharger kit and come out on top. It's a totally insane ride.

It's nice to dream. You could not take my car, with just an intake. When the high wears off, you will realize it was just a fantasy.

Anyway, good luck with the new ride and drive responsibly.


Keith

AMRAAM4
04-14-2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by KmanGT1
It's nice to dream. You could not take my car, with just an intake. When the high wears off, you will realize it was just a fantasy.


OWN3D!!! by the KMan!!!


I'm gonna have the slowest SC GA at GAP I think lol....but if anyone wants to setup a race verse my other car sometime I am game :cool:

MetaGTP1
04-14-2003, 09:25 PM
[/B][/QUOTE] You bringing both rides?:)

AMRAAM4
04-14-2003, 09:35 PM
Nope, sorry :(

mfuller
04-14-2003, 09:46 PM
No racing stories, boys.

Congrats on the new ride, 03GTI. Glad you like it.

ArcticWhiteSE
04-14-2003, 11:43 PM
MFuller is always bringin us down huh....Grrrr(shakes fist at MFuller)

:thumbs:


I know a friend of a friend with a GTI, it's green, slow, uncomfortable and needs a turbo blowing 18+ lbs of boost..

ArcticWhiteSE<------Not a huge VW fan, but hey, you know what, as it has been said many many times, To each his own...

Lataz,
Arctic

AMRAAM4
04-15-2003, 07:50 AM
I'm not totally knocking the GTI. That thing can smoke with appropriate mods that are out for it. I believe the 1.8T motor can get a 40HP gain from just a custom chip.

An intake though? :rolleyes:

RamAirGT
04-15-2003, 08:13 AM
A very close friend that I work with has a GTI 1.8T. Stock-to-stock they out perform a Grand Am, no question. He has a intake on his, and he always backs down to my dad's or anybody's GTP for that matter, so my question is how would that intake help any GTI take a supercharged GA.

Oh i just remembered, maybe if you drop 4 grand on a APR Stage 3 Turbo Kit, then you probably will have a chance :wave:

03GTI
04-15-2003, 08:20 AM
I really didn't want to start a flame war here....but yes, with a mere intake these cars are running consistent 14.8's and 9's. With a $300 chip they're putting 215-225 WHEEL hp down. Not at the crank, not before drivetrain loss...at the wheels. Mid to low 14's are the norm. I mean, feel free to debate this all you want, but that's a fact. It's not a matter of which car is better, it's just different motors with different strengths and weaknesses.

But whatever, that's not the point. I just wanted to pass along a little info. I still love the GAGT, and if I could have kept mine and gotten this GTI as a second vehicle, I would have. The GAGT's are unstoppable off the line, I used to love the torque that was there any time you needed it. The fact remains, it's just a different animal. Plain and simple. I know what it takes to make a GAGT fast, I spent nearly 3 years working on mine, but when you have a factory turbo to start off with, it's just a whole different ballgame. As for the guy with the slow green GTI, it's more than likely a 2000/2001 back when they were only rated at 150hp. The 2003's have a different ECU, different turbo, beefed-up internals and 180hp.

Maybe we'll bump into eachother on the road, I live in the southeast Houston area and commute via beltway 8 every day. =)

Enjoy your rides, and peace out...

2002GT
04-15-2003, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by 03GTI
Maybe we'll bump into eachother on the road, I live in the southeast Houston area and commute via beltway 8 every day. =)




Is that a threat lol .... JKing wit ya... just as long as u enjoy ur ride

03GTI
04-15-2003, 08:38 AM
Nahh...no threats man. I know the rules of this board well. ;) Just an open-invite for some "playful commuting" on the way home. Of course, I need to break her in a little more first.

I will say this -- certain aspects of the GTI interior I don't like as much as the GAGT. I stil miss my cool rounded gauge binnacles and my custom A pillar from the GA sometimes... =(

ArcticWhiteSE
04-15-2003, 02:09 PM
If this were any other forum on the internet, there would have been serious flame wars and haterism bouncing off the walls already, but hey, we're not like that here now are we?

(doesn't help with the Gurus watching so closely over our shoulders, shakes fist at Gurus!!!)

:thumbs: :boogie:

Aighty then, ya'llz take er easy and mod the bejesus out of whatever you got, let God sort us out in the end...:huh:

Peace!!

--Arctic--

red rocket
04-15-2003, 02:48 PM
I thought you got the VW because gas cost was killing you. How much could it possibly be saving you in gas if you are driving in the conditions you talked about?

jaketuff
04-15-2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by AMRAAM4
I'm not totally knocking the GTI. That thing can smoke with appropriate mods that are out for it. I believe the 1.8T motor can get a 40HP gain from just a custom chip.

An intake though? :rolleyes:

Yeah, I have seen a few chips that would give 80 HORSES, and lbs-ft as well!!!!! Insane, but that is the potential of a T. It would be very difficult to be ousted as said by a GTI w/just a CAI....

JOUT

PACE
04-15-2003, 03:34 PM
Wow a 14.9...Your GTI should be in Fast and the Furious. 14.9 is slow. PERIOD. Don't come here and brag about a 14.9 :tool: And it does not put 225 to the ground....or run low 14s with only an intake......U B DUMB

MetaGTP1
04-15-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by ECAP
Wow a 14.9...Your GTI should be in Fast and the Furious. 14.9 is slow. PERIOD. Don't come here and brag about a 14.9 :tool: And it does not put 225 to the ground....or run low 14s with only an intake......U B DUMB Thank you.:thumbs:

detroitgt
04-17-2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by 03GTI
I started the process of figuring out what my value on the car was versus my payoff versus what I could get selling it privately versus trade-in.

Well any nimrod will tell you NOT to trade a car in if you are looking to get the best price, sell it privately. How much did the price of the VW go up when they gave you 8,000 for the GAGT?LOL

:tool: .....big time