DHP PCMs almost ready to go

[bmarks]

Look for them in our store within a day or two....probably by tomorrow afternoon.

We also have a whole host of new stuff on the "What's New" page. Check it out!

GA Store What's New (http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=PFYC&Category_Code=GANEW)

:)

[Sternie]

Sweet! I can't wait for the DHP! :thumbs:

[luniz]

Whats the damage gonna be?

[claymore]

Im going to camp out next to my computer. I want one of these things before it gets on a backorder list for September ;)

[kubiache]

I'm there with you, Claymore. I almost cried when it wasn't on PFYC today.

[luniz]

Where is the preorder button when you need it?:rage:

I will be at work all day tomorrow, and judging from my luck, they will be on backorder before I get a chance at one.:(

[bmarks]

Probably about the same as the GP PCM. I doubt they'll be on backorder but I guess you never know.

[Avsguy01]

Need to keep myself up-to-date on this post.

[Sternie]

Just checked PFYC, still no DHP.. hopefully soon!

[PACE]

BMarks-

Will this work for all GA's ? 99-03?
specifically the 03?

Will the reprogram alter the air/fuel map as well or only the below.

Speed limiter raised to XXX MPH (Z-rated tires required)
Increased transmission fluid line pressure for firmer shifts
Shifts at XXXX RPM at WOT (optimal setting)
Allows skipshifts 4-2 and 3-1 (stock calibration will not skip gears)

[shawn2ktats]

id like to stay up you the hour on it to

[Rba007]

Im guessing no 2.4 option right?:(

[IrateSpeed6]

That sounds great Brian... I'll probably be one of your first orders... Any comments about us boosted guys?

[edit] Just looked at the price for the Grand Prix... its mine! :D I have a couple conditions to consider though:
- 8 psi boost
- no MAF (though I suppose I could put it back on... RSM programmed it out)

And a quick question... how good of an idea is the flash protection? I suppose a better question would be how likely is it that the new PCM could be flashed?

[claymore]

Well, Im still camped out next to my computer. ;)
I'm also wondering if it will have the re-flash protection and if not. How likely is it a PCM would be reflashed if you take it in for repair??? I mean, what circumstances would require a Re-flash?

[PhotoGuy]

What octane would be required for the dhp? Would this be better bang for the buck at lower rpm/torque levels than headers? My guess is yes, but at premium fuel costs , if anyone cares.

[luniz]

Originally posted by PhotoGuy
What octane would be required for the dhp? Would this be better bang for the buck at lower rpm/torque levels than headers? My guess is yes, but at premium fuel costs , if anyone cares.

Here is a link to the DHP for the GP's. Its probably safe to assume that it is probably the same with the GA.

http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PFYC&Product_Code=GP3003&Product_Count=9&Category_Code=GPUNDER


*Edit* Anyone is checking their site like every 20 minutes to see if it is on sale yet?:)

[claymore]

Originally posted by luniz024
Here is a link to the DHP for the GP's. Its probably safe to assume that it is probably the same with the GA.

http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PFYC&Product_Code=GP3003&Product_Count=9&Category_Code=GPUNDER


*Edit* Anyone is checking their site like every 20 minutes to see if it is on sale yet?:)

Yes, and no its not up yet. probably not untill monday:thumbs:

[luniz]

Originally posted by claymore
Yes, and no its not up yet. probably not untill monday:thumbs:

Well that just sucks:rage: I have been sitting by my computer all day aside from the time I was attacked by a goose today:eek:

[claymore]

Originally posted by luniz024
Well that just sucks:rage: I have been sitting by my computer all day aside from the time I was attacked by a goose today:eek:

Attacked by a goose next to your computer!!!??? haha:D
and, Its still not there. I even checked it last night when I came home after becoming beligerantly drunk. (I love the weekend before finals ;) )

[luniz]

Four days later and still no DHP... I wish that they would go on sale already. My lunch break is only so long:rolleyes:

[Avsguy01]

I know i have a 2003 so my wait for that chip is long. They only have the 99 model done.

[mfuller]

Patience, everyone. I'm going on 5 weeks waiting for changes to be made for my beta tester....the wait will be worth it.

[luniz]

Originally posted by Avsguy01
I know i have a 2003 so my wait for that chip is long. They only have the 99 model done.


They only have the 99 model done? Well in that case, it doesn't matter when it goes on sale then.

[Avsguy01]

I could be wrong...... i mean i only heard that from other post on here.

[claymore]

Well, 7:30 on Monday night and they are still not up. I'll be busy for the next three days and wont be around a computer so I hope that if PFYC gets them up in the next three days they are not on back order :(
Peace

[bmarks]

Coming in just a few minutes! Sorry for the delay.

[luniz]

Its on sale!

[Kdawg207]

it's up for me


Luniz we are geeks. :cheers:

[Avsguy01]

Damn!! No chip for the 2003 :(

[luniz]

Originally posted by Kdawg207
it's up for me


Luniz we are geeks. :cheers:

I am sitting at school just before my last final. I have one hour to kill.:thumbs:

[cavingman]

Originally posted by Avsguy01
Damn!! No chip for the 2003 :(
soon as i can set up a date with dhp there will be :thumbs:

[Avsguy01]

darn that still sucks......looks like i have to wait another god awful long time again.

[koolZ71]

i was reading it, and it sounds like these would be hard on the car
3-1 and 4-2 skip shifts
Transmission line pressure increased

maybe i dont know lol, just seems like it would be hard on my poor lil car:)

[SilverGT1]

woohoo i should be ordering mine in the next couple months..

Thanks PFYC!!

BTW Brian there was no 3.4L in 1998

[mfuller]

Brian:

There is one issue that PFYC and/or DHP has overlooked....GT trims and SE trims have different final drive ratios, and this may affect shift points....perhaps a note should be added as to which trim levels this is applicable to.

[Kdawg207]

looks like us 2003 guys are beat. Oh well...

[Avsguy01]

thought this post didnt go through

[Avsguy01]

Yeah i here ya!! :rage: Looking on the bright side the 98-2002 people can try it out first and see how good it is and if any problems arise then they can be fixed for the 03' chip.:thumbs:

[Kdawg207]

True True

[Rba007]

Anyone know about anything for those of us with 2.4's?? Id be more than happy to be a test mule!

[SpyhunteR]

for the 2.4L that would be really nice. Too bad I'm in Las Vegas with a broken car.

[Chaotic Reality]

Good to see some more options for some of us...I'll be ordering mine in less than a month hopefully. Good work DHP. :)

-Jon

[PACE]

But I have an 03 :( :mad: :(

[kubiache]

And after long nights of staring at my computer, I finally ordered mine today. :cheers: I may now rest easy at night........

[SikMindz]

Ahhh! Must...not...spend...money...

[claymore]

I noticed that in the description this is only for the GT??? or is it for the 3.4 Grand Am and they only described it for the GT? I hope its for the SE. I dont want to give my buisness to that other company :(
EDIT:
I think I'll e-mail them to find out :) :thumbs:

[Sternie]

On the description it was 1998-2002 Grand Am GT. Is that '98 a typo and supposed to be '99 or for real?

[Sternie]

I jumped on board and ordered one too! Did anyone opt for the flash guard? I didn't, but I haven't decided if I was going to send my core back yet. If I keep the core, I can just keep swapping them back and forth if I ever have to goto the dealer, right?

Tony

[Chaotic Reality]

I'm curious about the CASE relearn...do you have to get a relearn every time you swap the PCM?

-Jon

[claymore]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
I'm curious about the CASE relearn...do you have to get a relearn every time you swap the PCM?

-Jon

if thats the case (no pun intended ) :) then why keep your core? I dont see it listed as recomended to have this done under the actual description of the item, so is it really requierd? all I see is about the security relearn. How important is a Case relearn any way? what exactly does it do????

[luniz]

After 5 long days, I finally ordered. I hope there is not a difference between the SE's and the GT's. I figure weren't all the tester cars GT's? If so, that should not be a problem for me.

[iceman]

Additionally, ANY time your replace your PCM with another PCM after having run the engine (or even turned it over), you will need to have something called a CASE Learn performed on your car. Any GM service center can perform the learn with a Tech II. The PCM needs to know the position of the crank shaft so that it can detect misfires correctly and optimize spark and fuel delivery. There are three signal read by the PCM from the crank shaft .... the 3X, 18X, and 24X signals. These can only be learned through the CASE Learn. This procedure is known in the Tech II as Crank Position Variation Learn. Depending on how far off the signals are from how the PCM thinks they should be (prior to the CASE learn) will determine whether or not DTC 1336 is set. This code will also illuminate the SES MIL, indicating that the learn procedure needs to be performed.

[luniz]

Originally posted by iceman
Additionally, ANY time your replace your PCM with another PCM after having run the engine (or even turned it over), you will need to have something called a CASE Learn performed on your car. Any GM service center can perform the learn with a Tech II. The PCM needs to know the position of the crank shaft so that it can detect misfires correctly and optimize spark and fuel delivery. There are three signal read by the PCM from the crank shaft .... the 3X, 18X, and 24X signals. These can only be learned through the CASE Learn. This procedure is known in the Tech II as Crank Position Variation Learn. Depending on how far off the signals are from how the PCM thinks they should be (prior to the CASE learn) will determine whether or not DTC 1336 is set. This code will also illuminate the SES MIL, indicating that the learn procedure needs to be performed.

Thanks Seth, BTW was this in the owners manual. Or from PFYC website?

[iceman]

One of the GP web sites. The manuals say that just a longer verison...

[claymore]

so, what happens if you dont?

[claymore]

Originally posted by luniz024
After 5 long days, I finally ordered. I hope there is not a difference between the SE's and the GT's. I figure weren't all the tester cars GT's? If so, that should not be a problem for me.

I E-mailed PFYC today and Brian e-mailed me back saying it was for both the SE's and GT's with the 3.4 :thumbs:

[iceman]

I haven't read the ClubGP info about this, and can't remember exactly what one of the GTP guys told me when I autotapped his car for him.. But it has to do with higher knock retard and something else.. your best bet is to search on clubGP, there's plenty of good info common to DHP.

[luniz]

Originally posted by claymore
I E-mailed PFYC today and Brian e-mailed me back saying it was for both the SE's and GT's with the 3.4 :thumbs:

So the different gear ratios obviously will not make a difference. Thats good.

[claymore]

I looked on GPclub.com and i have done a search on line and the only thing I found that was negative about not having this done was a possible SES light on all the time. I found equal posts about people having it done and not noticing any difference in how the car acts and I found posts on people having it done and having a difference in how the car acts. I guess ill wait for more people to have them in the GA before i get one.
The reson I'm asking is, why take a car in to have something done by a dealership and deal with all the run around of them not understanding what you want done and possibly re-flashing it when you dont need to unless you get a SES light?
Also, if you have this done, why keep the core?? youd have to have a CASE learn done every time you switched them out to go to the dealer if you wanted to do that. It dosent make sense to do it unless you have a SES light.
I hate computer controlled vehicles, I guess ill be forever a 50's car guy,

[Watch4MyBu]

here is my question...will the pcm for the 3400 work in my 3100. Probably not but I am just hoping

[claymore]

Originally posted by Watch4MyBu
here is my question...will the pcm for the 3400 work in my 3100. Probably not but I am just hoping

The E-mail I got from Brian said the current ones only work with the 3.4.

[beyerch]

DHP speaks..... :)

----------------

After talking in great detail today with our guy doing grand am stuff, I did a bit of goofing up with Brian @ PFYC! :( So unfortunately, I'm getting ahold of brian right now to get them squared away on this. I apologize for any confusion there may be, but its on MY end not theirs! With that said....

As of RIGHT NOW these files are available :

: 1998 Grand Am 3.1 w/4t60 trans
: 1999 Grand Am GT
: 2000 Grand AM GT
: 2001 Grand AM GT
: 2002 Grand AM GT

**Please note these ARE model year specific files and you need to order the correct year for your car. In addition to that, you will have to do a security relearn procedure that is outlined on the website. The vehicle will not start until the procedure is completed.


At the current time, the SE's have not been officially released and this is MY fault for telling Brian they were! :( They are following shortly and I definitely need feedback from the audience as to how many people are looking for them, give me a model year and we'll put them out in the order of most requests, etc.

I am also working on a 97 if there is any interest in that application.

*IF* anyone has ordered a unit for an SE, please let me know ASAP. We can/will fill the order but it will take an additional day or two to make the necessary trans changes. If you are planning to order an SE, let me know which years so that we can finish them in order of importance!


P.S. Matt, how did the car work for you last night?

[IrateSpeed6]

beyerch:

I sent you guys an e-mail, but havn't seen a reply yet... are you going to have anything to offer to a blown 2000 GT?

[beyerch]

Originally posted by IrateGT
beyerch:

I sent you guys an e-mail, but havn't seen a reply yet... are you going to have anything to offer to a blown 2000 GT?


Units like that are going to require a custom unit as they need much more tuning than the stock (base) cars. Its possible we'll have a pcm specifically for the kit that monello was running, but at this time we do not have that.

Where are located ?

[iceman]

How about sending in PCMs to be flashed instead of a core charge ?

[mfuller]

Originally posted by beyerch

P.S. Matt, how did the car work for you last night? [/B]

I need to drive it for a few days (I still think the shifts may still be a bit soft), but I'm liking it so far. The databus fix worked like a charm. :thumbs: Also, I am happy with the shift points we chose; there is virtually no power drop-off on upshifts....
Along the lines of demand for SE trim cals, I'm sure you are aware that all V6 Alero's use the same final drive - I know of at least ten 2000 and 2001 Alero owners waiting patiently.

You da man....:cheers:

[beyerch]

Can you email me some vin #'s for the different years and differnet trim models? I can pull the files and verify if there are any differences.

You still think the shifts are soft??? We turned it up over 20% and there not much left in there! Are you saying mid range isn't enough or top end?

let me know.

Also, email me some people who would be willing to test different model years so i can line up a few testers....

thanks




Originally posted by mfuller
I need to drive it for a few days (I still think the shifts may still be a bit soft), but I'm liking it so far. The databus fix worked like a charm. :thumbs: Also, I am happy with the shift points we chose; there is virtually no power drop-off on upshifts....
Along the lines of demand for SE trim cals, I'm sure you are aware that all V6 Alero's use the same final drive - I know of at least ten 2000 and 2001 Alero owners waiting patiently.

You da man....:cheers:

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by beyerch
Units like that are going to require a custom unit as they need much more tuning than the stock (base) cars. Its possible we'll have a pcm specifically for the kit that monello was running, but at this time we do not have that.

Where are located ?
Yeah, I assumed as much... I actually have the Vortech blower, not the Eaton/Magnuson.

I'm in Philadelphia. I'm sure that if you came even close to this area with enough advanced-warning, there would be quite a few people from the surrounding areas that would make the trek in for some tuning... :thumbs: Let me know what you can do and we'll talk. ;)

[mfuller]

Originally posted by beyerch
Can you email me some vin #'s for the different years and differnet trim models? I can pull the files and verify if there are any differences.

You still think the shifts are soft??? We turned it up over 20% and there not much left in there! Are you saying mid range isn't enough or top end?

let me know.

Also, email me some people who would be willing to test different model years so i can line up a few testers....

thanks
Sure. I'll compile a list of numbers and model years and forward them to you.

I'm still not sure on the shifts, so let me drive the car a few days. I know there's not much left in there....I might be trying to compensate for a physical problem inside the transmission, so let's not change anything yet....both the mid range and top end.

I'll see about lining up a few testers in the area.

[X-ception]

so how much longer until the se programs are out..

cough** mine's a 99 ** cough

[shawn2ktats]

ok so where they hell are they?wtf

[Chaotic Reality]

Does the PCM come with instructions to install it, because I don't know where it's located at.

-Jon

[beyerch]

I currently don't have install instructions, but I can either make some up or if someone already has some pics, etc, I could host them somewhere!

Also already have two 99se requests, so its in the lead for next ga program :)

[fschambe]

When you say that the shifts are firmer from increased line pressure to the trans, is there the same "clunk" when going into drive as there is with a autotrans interceptor or is it RPM/MPH specific? With that unit it seems like the pressure is inversly proportionate, whereas there's less boost in pressure as the RPM raises. This is for a 2kGT.

Can't wait to order mine!

[beyerch]

Unfortunately, I have no first hand experience with the auto trans interceptor so i cannot comment on it directly.

Our unit doesn't make any type of clunk. Shift pressure is modified by throttle percentage.

charles


Originally posted by fschambe
When you say that the shifts are firmer from increased line pressure to the trans, is there the same "clunk" when going into drive as there is with a autotrans interceptor or is it RPM/MPH specific? With that unit it seems like the pressure is inversly proportionate, whereas there's less boost in pressure as the RPM raises. This is for a 2kGT.

Can't wait to order mine!

[PACE]

The "clunk" you referred to is directly related to how high you boost the pressure.....a small increase in line pressure will shift faster but not clunk.,...Its when you take that AutoTrans Iterceptor and turn it all the way up is when you get the clunk. I'm sure DHP does it to the proper level.

[Avsguy01]

So i heard the autotrans interceptor is bad. So now your saying it works?

[PACE]

Originally posted by Avsguy01
So i heard the autotrans interceptor is bad. So now your saying it works?

It works.....you just should apply it to about 40%...If you turn it all the way up- yes. it will clunk.

[Avsguy01]

Does it firm them shifts up pretty good? I sounds like i might be interested in it

[mfuller]

Originally posted by Avsguy01
Does it firm them shifts up pretty good? I sounds like i might be interested in it
For most cars, yes, the shifts are pleasantly firm and quick. However, if your transmission has an intenal problem (like worn clutches or whatnot), the effects will not be nearly as dramatic. A computer re-program cannot fix a hardware problem.

[Avsguy01]

Oh im getting it then cause my car's new and runs like a champ. I was just worried it would ruin my transmission.

[beyerch]

Well there's a point where more pressure is actually GOOD for your transmission as the firmer/quicker shifts help the clutches last longer. However, if you go past that optimal point, then you do more harm than good.

also, the computer can only turn up the pressure to a certain level. AFter that, the solenoids can do no more and if you want more pressure, its shift kit time, etc.

Charles

[Avsguy01]

Okay sounds like a winner

[claymore]

ok,

I have a 1999 Grand am SE with a 3.4 V6

the Current PCM's are only for the GT's right?
and the 1999+ Grand Am SE PCM's are going to be released soon. Right?

and the delay on this is because of the Tranny correct?

I can't wait for the DHP PCM to be out for the 99+ SE's
just trying to get a understanding on the situation.


:thumbs:

[Watch4MyBu]

any word on the 3100 engine in the malibu platform

[luniz]

I have a question, DHP requires 91 octane, but the gas stations I go to only have 93, so would using 93 still be okay? I would go to other gas stations, but then I would actually have to pay for gas.

[nokiatech]

If 91 will work, 93 is fine.

[peeps]

mix 1/2 tank 89, and 1/2 tank 93 :D

[Sternie]

How quick do these things ship out? I'm sure that they have a flood of order.. mine being one of them :D

If people started getting these this week I'd be impressed!

[luniz]

Originally posted by Sternie
How quick do these things ship out? I'm sure that they have a flood of order.. mine being one of them :D

If people started getting these this week I'd be impressed!

Yea mine hasn't shipped. I was hoping to have it by the weekend, but its no biggie. I am sure alot of people have ordered it. I am just anxious to see how my car responds to it.

[kubiache]

Charles, I sent you an email, let me know if you didn't get it. I ordered mine and then stopped reading this thread...so I missed the part about SEs not being ready.

[claymore]

I still want to know when the SE PCM's are going to be released.

[shawn2ktats]

dont tell me were still waiting geeezzz

[claymore]

only for the SE's the GT's are available on PFYC.com

I guess the wait for the 3.4 SE's are because of the different tranny cause the engines are the same.

[Craig99SE2]

Charles,

I PM'd you but never got a response. I have a 99 SE at your disposal! I know many people are waiting for a 99 SE.

BTW, any response to my PM?

[X-ception]

anyone hear anything yet?

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Craig99SE2]

NO!!! I hope you guys have better luck with Charles than I do! I asked him nicely about PCM 1.0 and what are the "limits" as far as mods go vs. when you'd be better off with a custom burn. I also offered a 99 SE as a testbed since I live like 10 miles from where they dyno-tune and am even willing to pay full price AND let them use me as a guinea pig. But, I guess us 99 SE owners suck hind teat!