Problems once agian with Kicker

[Mattcoool]

Ok, i have owned an l7 for about 3 months now. I tore the spyder some how about a 2 months ago, the store sent it out and a month and a week later i got it back. How rediculous. I put the sub in, and there is something apperently wrong with it. I take it back to the store and he tells me that it is in proper working order. Im like ok. So i ride around with it like that for a while because it still hits but not very loud. I can't turn it up very high at all. I finally get fed up and take it back to the store once agian. He tells me its fine. He tells me to take it to a professional installer and have them look at it. Im like, this is bull****. So i took it to tweeter and they tested it for me while i was standing there and it did just what it did in my car. Turns out that there is something wrong with one of the voice coils. Like something is loose. He tells me that, the setup the guy sold me is terrible. He tells me first that the dual 2 ohm sub in parallel is at 1 ohm load for the amp, which i didn't realize, and then he tells me that that is way to much for my amp and that isn't good. So now im ****ed. He tells me that if he won't take the sub back now that i should bring it back to him and he will blow it for me. Put it in a 120 volt socket. So i bring it back to TMS where i bought it. He tells me everything is fine. Ok, now i was ****ed. I started yelling at him and he just kept saying that its fine. I brought him out to listen to in in my car, its makes this god aweful noise like it always does and he continues to insist its fine. I want to just punch him and grab a w7 or something...lol. Anyway, what do you guys think. should i just have the guy at tweeter stick it in the socket and blow it so that the sub doesn't work? I don't know, cause then it won't work at all and if he doesn't replace it im stuck with a big loss of money. This totally blows. Sorry for the length, im just so ****ed off right now.

[embe]

So the sub didn't work properly from day 1? If that's the case I'd take it back.

I wouldn't recommend "blowing it up" 'cause that's just malicious intent.

What amp is it and how's it wired? That might be the 'cause of your problems, not the sub.

If you rule that out and the guy keeps telling you it's fine (even though it sounds like ****) ask to have the manager listen to it and see what he thinks. If that doesn't work, tell him that you're going to let all your friends listen to your system too see how terrible subs bought from TMS audio sound. Last option is to write a letter directly to kicker explaining your experience.

Good luck

[Korben]

Blow that ****e...show that hoebag whats up man. Then have him listen to it and tell you its just fine.

[AmIGrand]

If it's making odd noises, it's obviously not fine.

What kind of amp tdo you have? That is important.

Find another Kicker dealer and tell them the story. If you can't find one, call Stillwater Designs, (Kickers parant company), they are good people there and will work with you. Hit Kicker's website and send them an e-mail (not a mean one, you want them to help you!!) explaining the treatment you're getting from your dealer, too.

Keep us posted....

[zx7ninja]

TMS Electronics in Danbury? That guy has always been decent, don't know why he won't take it back. I have a friend in New Milford who does a LOT of business with him, I'll see him tuesday, and see what he says. If all else fails, follow AmIGrand's suggestion and send an email to Kicker telling them everything. They'll help you out.

[Korben]

Blow it, damnit! lol.

[AmIGrand]

Only feed it to the wall as an absolute last resort. If they ain't workin' with you now, they probably won't work with you then.

[GrandAmSC/T]

If there not working with you contact kicker like AmIGrand said. Id say contact another dealer but they arent gonna want to work with you since you didnt buy from them.

And yeah ive had problems with kicker before too with time delays. You send them to what... Stillwater, oklahoma which is like 60 miles from me and ive still seen it takes months for them to fix peoples things.

[master]

Try hooking up the sub in series to make it 4 ohms. That could make your amp more stable and solve your problem.

[Mattcoool]

zx7ninja, yea, thats what i thought too, ive dropped over 1700 bucks in his little horse **** shop, its all good until you have a problem and then he is an ******* to you. Its rediculous, tell your friend to be weary, his stuff is second rate and it seems to be like referbished stuff, at least thats what it looks like and thats what i have been hearing lately.

I am gonna call/write kicker and explain this, and if that doesn't work, its bye bye time for the sub, maybe i can tape this :)

[AmIGrand]

Matt - WHAT KIND OF AMP DO YOU HAVE?!?!

Just thought I'd ask again... :D

[GrandAmSC/T]

lol he forgot

[Mattcoool]

Oh sorry man, haven't i pestered you with questions about my setup enough, its the JBL BP600.1

[grass]

A.I.G. i'm really surprised that you didnt knock kicker on the tore spyder comment


i'd threated to sue that bastard, did u hook up the sub yourself? if he did hes responsible b/c he hooked it up 1ohm not 4ohm

btw i have 2 solo's i love em, never had a problem, i wouldnt knock kicker, jsut that dumbass shop owner

[AmIGrand]

That amp is OK at 1 ohm. Not my favotite way to run it, but it's fine, if a little warmer than it needs to be. lol

With that amp and that woofer, you should have great bass. Keep buggin' that guy, and get that e-mail to Kicker!!

Grass - I got that comment in earlier! :p

[grass]

i'm thinking bout getting the JBL 1200.1 is this a good amp? running 2 L5's

i've never met anyone w/ a JBL b4 so i thought i'd ask

[MagiLLa]

i have something better than a wall socket !
me and my buddy use 55 9V batteries interconnected and hook speaker wire up to numerous objects that go boom :boogie:
he destroyed an amp and blew some parts outta it, and made it smoke like a mofo til we let off :p

[Mattcoool]

grass, AmIGrand has already made many comments about the sypder in this damn square, im starting to take his view on them.

However, the sub is a GREAT sub, and the amp is also. Go for that 1200.1, i wish i went with that one.

I sent the email to kicker, depending on what they say, i might or might not blow it now. We'll See.

Im gonna be buggin this guy for a while now. Me (6'4") my brother (6'8") my dad, big dude, my best friend, and his dad, are gonna go down there and see if he changes his mind. Probably not, but it will be funny watching his facial expressions... muah ha ha ha, nothing like the intimidation of an Italian Family!...lol

... 55 batteries wired together, that must have taken forever.

[grass]

i never doubt AIG's comments on the spyder, but like manufactors of everything there is a problem w/ it. L5/7's is the spiders, but some speakers the spyder is good (i got lucky i guess :))

i still love my L5/7 combo and it bumps HARD, i can feel the air rush around my head, thats a cool feeling

[Mattcoool]

OH yea, i love my kicker still, im just ****ed off that he won't take it back, but here is what i wrote to kicker and how they responed, ill give them a call today

As long as you have a copy of your receipt you can deal with us directly. Contact our customer service department at (405) 624-8510 for warranty/repair information.

If you wish give me some details on the application of the sub. Maybe it's in a ported enclosure without a sub-sonic filter, maybe there is too much power, maybe the gain on the amp is set to high in relation to the amount of signal voltage at the inputs, etc. This is a very reliable sub with a very low return rate. I am just trying to determine if there's something that can be changed to keep this from happening time and time again.


Aaron Surratt
Technical Support Specialist

-----Original Message-----

Hello,
I recently (june 18th) purchased a 02s12L72
and a JBL600.1 amp to run it with and i have been having problems with it. The first time, the spyder tore on the sub and the guy i bought it from sent it back. This happened within a month of owning the sub. And it took over a month and a half to get it back. I was a little upset, but happy that i got it back. Now there is something wrong with my sub once agian. The guy
i bought it from is trying to tell me that it is fine, and i know that it is not. So i took it up to the professional installers at Tweeter, and had them test it out for me. They said that it is indeed not operating correctly, and that there is something wrong with one of the voicecoils. So i brought it back to where i bought it and the guy is trying to tell me that it is fine, and giving me the hardest time. He took it and tested it on a little boombox of his and told me it was fine. So i brought him out to my car and showed him what it sounded like and he still says that its fine. I have tried everything with this sub. Is there anything that you can do for me at kicker, i am really mad, i havne't even owned this thing for 3 months and its had 2 problems already. Thank you.
Matthew Tarsi

Store purchased from.
TMS ELECTRONICS
23 Padanaram Rd.
Danbury Connecticut, 06811
(203)744-7252

[Haunz]

First off I would like to say that kicker sucks balls...

OK.. some of it is kick ass gear, but for the money, well I would rather buy something else...

My bud dave went through NUMEROUS kicker amps which were all JUNK because they decided to come out with like 15 new models w/o working out the bugs...

kicker is overpriced junk... IMO....

Ok... getting past my prejudice...

Have you tested each coil to make sure it works and have you tested it with a multimeter?? If a coil is a little cooked it could still work, but it will have a much higher resistance...

OK... this brings me to some other stuff... youve tested the coils and it dosen't scratch when you push in on the cone right??....

well it would be hard to blow that sub with 600RMS anyway...

SO... what about the amp?? the setup used to work well right?? Have you tested the amps output with a DMM?? For starters I would make sure it's got a good ground!! and it isn't clipping right?? make sure your power wire and all connections are up to par!!

Anywayz.. if the cone moves freely and both coils work then the sub is probably fine.. start looking elsewhere...

[grass]

how do u tell if a amp is clipping? ive never known but i hear alot of this

[Haunz]

Many amps will have an indicator that will light up.... but I don't know if that JBL has one... the next best way to check it is probably with a piezo tweeter hooked up in parallel with your subs... if it's clippping th piezo will scream at you.....

Premature clipping would just be one indication that your power/ground wire isn't up to par...

[Mattcoool]

well, im guessing that there is something wrong with it, because the guys at tweeter told me, and we tried it on different amps and it did the same crap. So ill call kicker soon, i am waiting until i get my new amp and components, then ill send it out

[AmIGrand]

Good call on the letter, and it sounds as though they are working with you. They are good folks over there.

Name names, damnit!!! "The guy I bought it fronm", "the place I bought it at" - dude - tell 'em WHERE YOU BOUGHT IT!! If they find an obvious problem with the woofer that he should have taken care of, he'll get an unpleasant phonecall at the very least. lol

[GTkid]

you took it to "tweeter" and it worked in a total different hookup but only the sub was the constant. i would see if a blown sub is covered under your warranty, then if it is blow it up. if not just raise all hell.