your dream 3400?

[shogun99]

Alright, lets say you got no budget what so ever and you got a Grand Am GT sitting there with a 3400 V6 engine. Tell me what you would do to it if you had no budget. Aside from engine swaps, you can use anything else. Turbo's, supercharger, NOS, head work, porting...anything goes.

so lets hear it....whats your dream 3400?:thumbs:

[jaketuff]

I would pay Pamela Anderson, Locklear and dare I say Heather Thomas to model in pictures to be taken of the engine. Then I would put them on retainer as my maintenance and "service" staff.

.... Seriously, I would go with new internals, fortified for low compression, and then blast the **** out of it with a T. I would intercool that, have the heads completely worked of course, and then spray the SOB on top of that.

After 2 seconds, I would then be totally broke, due to having a failed transmission and no infinite budget for that.:(

JOUT

[qwik99gt]

From the top down:
Custom sheetmetal large plenum intake
LS1 throttle body and GMS MAF sensor
Custom titanium air intake with 8" K&N element
Port matching all around.
ported & polished heads with larger valves, Jesel shaft-style rocker arms, and titanium valve springs with better retainers.
Crower custom grind billet steel camshaft and SOLID roller lifters.
S&S coated headers (hey give them a chance)
Knife edged balanced and blueprinted SCAT stroker crank increasing displacement to 3.6L
Federal Mogul Teflon coated forged high compression pistons (10.5:1) with Eagle H beam connecting rods.
Bigger injectors (Envoy?)
Adjustable FPR.
NX Nitrous 200hp "wet" fogger kit.
Stef's Oil Pan with windage tray
And an entire warehouse full of spare transmissions:D

That's right it's naturally aspirated. That's what I grew up building and it's all I know so far. Without nitrous the engine should turn about 230 horsies and 240 lb/ft at the crank according to Desktop dyno. And it would still be streetable.

[5-lO]

I dont know much about engines, when compaired to the engine guru's but my choice...

J/E Pistons
Crower Rods
New Valves, valve springs, retainers, rockers
Custom camshaft, not a regrind
RSM Ported Heads
RSM P&P LIM
APOC P&P UIM w/ near chrome powder coat (gotta keep it lookin sleek!)
APOC CAI w/ near chrome
Muscle Motors version of the GMS MAF
DHP PCM - Customized for parts Im running
The Other Guys Headers
AFPR - for fixing the mean lean driving machine

and lastly...

RSM Supercharger and the DHP tuned for it instead of the RSM reprogram

[mfuller]

Hmm....Okay, assuming I can put a strong short-throw 6-speed manual gearbox with a Quaife limited-slip on it....

(I have omitted intake and exhaust components since we're only talking about the engine itself)

Individual (small-diameter) throttle bodies for each cylinder
Tuned, dual-length intake runners for each cylinder
Port-matched heads with larger intake and exhaust valves; sodium-filled stems with bronze valve guides and beryllium seats; Crane Gold-Race forged aluminum roller rocker arms with Crane custom roller cam grind, lightweight 4130 pushrods, Crane 105# beehive valve springs and Crane hydraulic lifters
RC Engineering balanced and blueprinted fuel injectors
4-bolt block cast in aluminum instead if iron with Nikasil cylinder liners
Keith Black custom forged billet steel crank, with Clevite 77 main bearings and 4-bolt main caps held by ARP hardware
Keith Black lightened, balanced, and shot-peened forged con rods
Keith Black forged lightweight pistons; 10.5:1 compression ratio
Total Seal gapless piston rings and Fel-Pro intake and exhaust gaskets
Custom copper head gaskets with ARP head studs
Rotating assembly balanced and blueprinted
10 quart dry sump oiling system
MoTeC programmable engine management
Findenza aluminum flywheel

[shogun99]

alot of you guys arent running any kind of forced induction. Are 3400's a good engine to run naturally aspired? Plus ive heard that the RSM supercharger isnt actually that good. But as most on here, id spray the **** out of my engine with a few remote opening composite bottles from nitrous express.

[1993Grandamgt]

hmmm. i would have to say:

J/E low compression .030 pistons
Titanium connecting rods
forged stroker crank, knife edged and balanced
heads and intake ported and polished, with titanium valves in the heads and crane cams 1.6 rockers
windage tray
splayed 4 bolt main block
custom grind roller cam made for turbo applications
garret T56 turbo with blow off valve, and very large custom intercooler
envoy injectors
GMS mass air flow meter and housing
75 shot of nitrous
rebuild the automatic with kevlar clutches, etc.
custom 3" exhaust complete with cat (to be smog happy) utilizing 2 bassanni stainless mufflers
set of aftermarket pullies
ram air scoop and tubing hooked up to intake
and last but not least a programmble computer with a laptop comp for recalibration

[SpyhunteR]

I'd simply chop off 2 cylinders.. :)

[IrateSpeed6]

That's simple... I would coat the entire engine in about 8" of solid gold, sell it, then get a fast car. :D

[phantom505]

Originally posted by SpyhunteR
I'd simply chop off 2 cylinders.. :)

What the hell would ya do with a V4?

The last time someone made one it sucked......

[bszopi]

Well, I've seen one issue that has been brought up... yeah, I'm gonna correct somebody. :p Our heads can't use Jesel shaft style roller rockers because of the splayed valves. Kinda hard to set the rockers on a single shaft when their orientation won't allow it.

Other things that haven't been brought up (well, someone did...) was custom manifolds. You can do a much better manifold design than what is stock from GM. The individual TBs is a great idea, although getting it all setup, aligned and tuned right would be a nightmare. There are also a few other things that could be custom done that could improve the engine, such as pistons. There are alot better designs out there for the piston tops which will yield a better quench area, allowing high compression, high boost and still maintain drivability with pump gas.

I might bring up some other crap later...

[95-GT]

How much boost could a stock engine handle from a turbo?

[AaronGTR]

First thing would be to swap in a 4T65-HD transmission for it, otherwise it would be a futile exercise. Then, here comes the power...

1) Block completely blueprinted, overbored and fit with forged pistons and connecting rods. Crank knife edged, balanced, journals polished. All oil and coolant channels bored and chamfered. Then block and all internals cryo treated and coated with swain technologies performance coatings.

2) Heads. Combustion chamber massaged, 3 angle valve job, full port and polish, stainless steel sodium filled valves, dual valve springs with titanium retainers.

3) Roller rockers and lifters, and a custom cam with high lift and duration but minimal overlap for running high boost. And the cam would be rifle bored of course for low rotating weight.

After all this the engine should turn 7,000rpm all day long with no problems. 8G's if you wanted to push it.

4)Intake manifolds port matched to heads and extrude honed. And a custom 65mm throttle body to go on the upper.

5) For exhaust, Custom stainless steel manifolds going to a turbo collector, all ceramic coated of course. After the turbo would be a 3 inch down pipe and exhaust going straight out the back of the car under the suspension. All titanium with a titanium muffler. No cat or resonator.

6) I'd get a turbonetics turbo sized to make about 500hp, with an external waste gate for better boost control and a divorced dump tube exiting the side of the car behind the front drivers wheel. Dual HKS blow off valves on the intake side, and an HKS boost controller. A spearco air/water intercooler would be a must with this setup, as would be a new fuel system. A new fuel pump, bigger fuel lines, injectors, and pressure regulator.

7) I'd get a NOS 150hp direct port system plumed into the runners on the upper intake. Complete with all the goodies. computer, gauges, bottle heater, remote opener, carbon fiber bottle(s),

8) Install a programable engine managment system and run it parallel to the stock ECM so it can run the tranny. That would get rid of the MAF sensor of course since they operate on speed/density and use a 3 BAR MAP and their own sensors.

9) Last would be all custom intake piping, and a custom 2 core radiator and 160 thermostat to handle the heat. No heat or air conditioning either. Gotta make room for the intercooler's heat exchanger. :thumbs:

Of course, after all those mods you'd need to have a roll cage and full slicks and many other things to handle all the power, which I estimate would be around 700hp. So that is my "wet dream" 3400 engine, which will never exist for many reasons. The biggest of which is, an import engine like this that they already make all that stuff for would cost about $100,000 , or half a ferrari.:rolleyes: It's nice to dream though isn't it?

[qwik99gt]

Originally posted by bszopi
Our heads can't use Jesel shaft style roller rockers because of the splayed valves.

Yup that was me.:blushing: You are absolutely right. I was just thinking of the evil LT1 my dad and I built. But then we were told that couldn't be done either. I also haven't ever cracked the valve covers on my GT... kinda pointless to hot rod a car already at it's torque limit transmission-wise. Oh shoot, here come the flames lol. Just find someone else to correct next time, us Brads have to stick together.:thumbs:

[ND4SPDIII]

cool!!! I wish my car had:

1. twin cams
2. twin turbo
3. frount mount intercooler
4. fully upgraded forged pistons
5. fully upgraded tranny
6. red line oil
7. oil, tranny, and power steering coolers.
8. 6 speed manual tranny.
9. 175mph tach and 10,000 rpm
10. 13 inch rotors on all four corners
11. 19 inch wheels
12. 3 inch down pipe and dual mufflers
13. 500 shot of Nos with dual purge valves and 4 carbon fiber bottles
14. blitz air filters
15. titanium struts and springs, not coil overs, ride gets stiffy


just a few items I would love to have in my car :D

[bszopi]

This is for a dream 3400... therefore the twin cam isn't really possible. And the 175mph tach? Hmm...

[ND4SPDIII]

Originally posted by bszopi
This is for a dream 3400... therefore the twin cam isn't really possible. And the 175mph tach? Hmm...


that's why this is MY dream ga :D

[mfuller]

Originally posted by bszopi
The individual TBs is a great idea, although getting it all setup, aligned and tuned right would be a nightmare.

Yep; they'd have to be electronically-controlled, hence the MoTeC ECU. If you use the S62 V8 in the BMW M5 as a reference, they use ITB's in a sealed "box" on top of the intake manifold fed by dual airboxes. I'd incorporate something like this, but add CF air horns mounted behind the foglights in the bumper to feed cool air to the filters.
Of course, on the exhaust side, I'd have stainless custom TIG-welded equal-length headers with nice merge collectors and a titanium cat-back. I'd keep a catalyst to clean things up, but forget EGR; that's a pain.

[Chaotic Reality]

I'd settle for a super charger. :)

-Jon

[Bumpin2000GAGT]

Originally posted by AaronGTR
First thing would be to swap in a 4T65-HD transmission for it, otherwise it would be a futile exercise. Then, here comes the power...

1) Block completely blueprinted, overbored and fit with forged pistons and connecting rods. Crank knife edged, balanced, journals polished. All oil and coolant channels bored and chamfered. Then block and all internals cryo treated and coated with swain technologies performance coatings.

2) Heads. Combustion chamber massaged, 3 angle valve job, full port and polish, stainless steel sodium filled valves, dual valve springs with titanium retainers.

3) Roller rockers and lifters, and a custom cam with high lift and duration but minimal overlap for running high boost. And the cam would be rifle bored of course for low rotating weight.

After all this the engine should turn 7,000rpm all day long with no problems. 8G's if you wanted to push it.

4)Intake manifolds port matched to heads and extrude honed. And a custom 65mm throttle body to go on the upper.

5) For exhaust, Custom stainless steel manifolds going to a turbo collector, all ceramic coated of course. After the turbo would be a 3 inch down pipe and exhaust going straight out the back of the car under the suspension. All titanium with a titanium muffler. No cat or resonator.

6) I'd get a turbonetics turbo sized to make about 500hp, with an external waste gate for better boost control and a divorced dump tube exiting the side of the car behind the front drivers wheel. Dual HKS blow off valves on the intake side, and an HKS boost controller. A spearco air/water intercooler would be a must with this setup, as would be a new fuel system. A new fuel pump, bigger fuel lines, injectors, and pressure regulator.

7) I'd get a NOS 150hp direct port system plumed into the runners on the upper intake. Complete with all the goodies. computer, gauges, bottle heater, remote opener, carbon fiber bottle(s),

8) Install a programable engine managment system and run it parallel to the stock ECM so it can run the tranny. That would get rid of the MAF sensor of course since they operate on speed/density and use a 3 BAR MAP and their own sensors.

9) Last would be all custom intake piping, and a custom 2 core radiator and 160 thermostat to handle the heat. No heat or air conditioning either. Gotta make room for the intercooler's heat exchanger. :thumbs:

Of course, after all those mods you'd need to have a roll cage and full slicks and many other things to handle all the power, which I estimate would be around 700hp. So that is my "wet dream" 3400 engine, which will never exist for many reasons. The biggest of which is, an import engine like this that they already make all that stuff for would cost about $100,000 , or half a ferrari.:rolleyes: It's nice to dream though isn't it?

Aaron, i love the way you think. nice, very nice. i'll take what he has.

[TEAM_AED]

NOS, the big one's, as a matter of fact, I need 2 of them.

[AaronGTR]

" I need NOS... I need NOS"

"No way Brian, amatuers don't use NOS, you'll blow your self to bits! I've seen the way you drive, you got a heavy foot."

"My car topped out at 140 this morning. Gimme one of the big ones... no, make it two. And Harry, I need 'em by tonight."

:D

Carefull with your intake manifolds. Don't wanna blow any welds.:rolleyes:

[95-GT]

Dont forget the floor boards. When your pushing out that much power....you will blow your floorboard out but then when the cops come.....manage to have the car runnning perfect again.

[AaronGTR]

:D That's right. Remember when Vin got in the car, his feet didn't go thru the floor.:rolleyes:

[bszopi]

You guys are pretty pathetic... way to hijack a thread and turn it into a ****-r thread. All this anti-**** talk, and yet you are quoting and discussing the most riceriffic movie of all time.

[KpazzH0ly]

Originally posted by bszopi
You guys are pretty pathetic... way to hijack a thread and turn it into a ****-r thread. All this anti-**** talk, and yet you are quoting and discussing the most riceriffic movie of all time.
lol lol what a cool guy!!!:cheers:

[PontiacGT2K]

Originally posted by bszopi
You guys are pretty pathetic... way to hijack a thread and turn it into a ****-r thread. All this anti-**** talk, and yet you are quoting and discussing the most riceriffic movie of all time.
Are you dense? Quite obviously it wasn't turning into a r i c e r thread or what not, in fact they were mocking the movie...

[aleroboy]

I'd add an intercooler, aftermarket cam, M90 SC, complete bottom end build up and custom intake manifolds to my current set up.

[95-GT]

M90? I think the 90 is a lil bit for the 3.4L. Try a M62.

[Pontiac Ninja]

Do any of you actually have the APOC CAI. Is it better then the Civic CAI I've heard that works also?? Just wanting some experienced tuners answers to my 200 dollar question, before I spend it!! Oh, and the whole warranty thing. I've heard that you can still keep your warranty even with one, by keeping your old intake & using the right dealer to install the new one. Is that correct?? I know I have touched on something that has been talked about numerously. But my searches mostly talked about civic CAI's only and homemade ones. I was thinking of getting the APOC, so i just wanted a good comparison. Any suggestions, comments on any of this would be great! Thanks!

[AaronGTR]

Originally posted by PontiacGT2K
Are you dense? Quite obviously it wasn't turning into a r i c e r thread or what not, in fact they were mocking the movie...


Well, at least you understood our sarcasm. I guess bzopi didn't. We were just having a little fun with the thread. Since it didn't seem like anyone was posting anything relevant anymore we posted a few things we WOULDN'T do to our engines.:thumbs:

[aleroboy]

Originally posted by 95-GT
M90? I think the 90 is a lil bit for the 3.4L. Try a M62.
I have the 62
the 90 flows 50% more air and with what I'm doing I'll need it.
I want it capable of at least 15 psi.
I'm also going to use a boost controller on the bypass valve so it wont go over in the higher rpms.
I dont want to turn the 62 any faster than I am now and the 62 will not carry me past the 400 hp mark.
also with a bigger SC I wont have to turn it as fast and it wont produce as much heat.

[bszopi]

Doesn't matter if its sarcasm or not. And almost all threads on here somehow get off track and relevant items are no longer discussed. But hey, whatever... feel free to add sarcasm and irrelevant items to whatever threads you want. Its a good way to help out the less experienced people on here.

Sometimes I wonder why I still visit this site....

[gtBokes]

That's simple... I would coat the entire engine in about 8" of solid gold, sell it, then get a fast car.

hahaha! im with him :D

[AaronGTR]

Originally posted by bszopi
Doesn't matter if its sarcasm or not. And almost all threads on here somehow get off track and relevant items are no longer discussed. But hey, whatever... feel free to add sarcasm and irrelevant items to whatever threads you want. Its a good way to help out the less experienced people on here.

Sometimes I wonder why I still visit this site....


Me too.

Give it a break man. We're here for fun, you don't have to be so serious all the time. I stopped trying to give people advice after the turbo thread with Craig99SE and all the ALLMOTORGT threads.

[claymore]

you wouldnt by chance be trying to get ideas for the "build your dream engine" sweepstakes that has been in several mags and is on some companies web sites. would you???:thumbs:

[daddy_ja]

i know you said no motor swaps, but if i had all that money i couldnt resist. i would take the car to LINGENFELTER!!!! NUF SAID!!!

[Vegeta]

I would send my engine to *** so I can have the baddest wire loom setup EVER!

[mcgavinz26]

Originally posted by 95-GT
How much boost could a stock engine handle from a turbo?

Well, there isn't an exact amount that as soon as the engine hits that it explodes (except maybe 100 or something unreasonable like that). If you were to graph boost pressure vs mileage an engine can get before breaking down, the milage would probably decrease exponentially with boost increasing. Thats assuming the engines are driven in the exact same manner and too many things to keep track of are all held equal, but you know what I mean.

Dave, you ever call the dealer about those gears you talked to me about?

hehe.... M90s are the way to go fellas. They are rated as suitable superchargers for 3.0 - 5.0L engines, so thats us. I like mine.

My dream 3400? To keep it simple, I'll just say 8.5:1 compression, T3, intercooled, forged everything, needed fuel upgrades, MSD anything I can use, and a fully tunable engine management unit that still retained the sequential fuel injection. Anything past about 400 hp with a trans that could actually deliver even 15% of it to the wheels is just gonna give you mad wheel spin on street tires. Whats the use aiming for some insane amount of power?

[95-GT]

Scott...I actually found a shop down in Indiana that has the 3.29 final drive gear for my 4T60E. Its going to be here on the 17th, and the ufll kevlar transmissionw ill be installed then too. IU also picked up my strut tower brace and eibach's today, so I cant wait to see how she pulls out of the hole and how she handles turns.

[Vegeta]

why do you want 3.29?

[95-GT]

To pull out of the hole much faster.

[Vegeta]

Why not get 3.73 then? What is stock?

[95-GT]

they dont have 3.73's for our cars...BUT...the 3.29/3.33 is EQUAL to a 3.73 on a RWD car. Stock was 2.6.

[Vegeta]

You have a 4T60-E right?

[95-GT]

Yep

[Vegeta]

You can make a 3.73 FDR from a 3.33 and a 3.43 FDR tranny parts. Brad knows exaclty which is from which but I know it can be done because it has been done. I don't think there is any reason a 95 4T60-E would be incompatible with the 91-93 trannies in terms of the chain and the gears.

[bszopi]

Here are the FDR and chain/sprocket combinations for all of the different drive ratios available in the 4T60-Es.

http://www.60degreev6.com/hlperf/60V6%20Site%20Files/transratios.gif

[mcgavinz26]

Dave, you gotta stop by sometime man. You've done quite a bit since the last time I saw it sitting in the garage not running.

Even if you dont have the trans work done just swing by next week, the 26, 27, and 28th I'm having friends over just to kinda chill, grill some steaks/burgers, drink a keg. I'm putting the supercharger back on the 25th or 24th for the rest of the summer. I'll be back up in Flint after July 8th though, so this is probably one of the last times for a while you'll get a chance to see it. I also got some nice rims since the last time you saw it.

[95-GT]

eh...car wont shift...wont read the speed either. Its showing a ABS and Service Engine Soon light. So I gotta run codes later and clear the system, check all harness's and everything and give it a try then. If it doesnt work, I have to take it to get it reprogrammed to the differant gearing to make it work. Does anyone know of any shops in Michigan that can do ODB-I programs?

[CUSTOMGAGT2000SEDAN]

i would like to ask this .if you had no major money limits . and with all the aftermarket parts out there. that knowingly can be put on this engine the ga 3.4. with no nitrious . just normally aspirated. not parts that have yet to be installed on the 3.4. and perfer not to have to mess with the transmission other then maybe a speed shifter type of deal. no major tranny mods... this is what i want. has to get me the most possible actuall to the wheels hp and torque numbers. you guys help me with the list and that is what i will aim for .

[Ajaxus]

go to pfyc and buy just about everything under the "under the hood" section, and that should get you off to a good start.

[Babalouie]

I'm getting closer to finishing my dream 3400! I still have my future tranny to do, perhaps icewater-to-air intercooler, and maybe even an NOS 6-Fogger kit.

[SpyhunteR]

talk about waking the dead....

however, it would be worth updating, since the aftermarket HAS broadened?

What's your dream motor for your n-body?

Limit this to..... production motors that came in an n-body. :)

I have a good idea bout mine.

[Graxall]

Twin Turbo's AND a supercharger in the trunk...........somehow...with no budget it can be done....and ide RWD convert it........and take off every panel inside and out so all im doing is pretty much driving a frame....and run my car everyday until i hit 9s in a ga...

[AaronGTR]

i would like to ask this .if you had no major money limits . and with all the aftermarket parts out there. that knowingly can be put on this engine the ga 3.4. with no nitrious . just normally aspirated. not parts that have yet to be installed on the 3.4. and perfer not to have to mess with the transmission other then maybe a speed shifter type of deal. no major tranny mods... this is what i want. has to get me the most possible actuall to the wheels hp and torque numbers. you guys help me with the list and that is what i will aim for .

If you don't wanna mess with the tranny, then you should forget about it right now. :rolleyes:

If you did all the NA mods available (including building the internals for higher compression) and tuned it to run on premium gas, you'd be making enough HP that the tranny would start to slip. At high enough power levels to make any significant increase in performance in a grand am, tranny mods are required. Any good tuner will tell you when you moddify one area of the car, you have to mod other areas to match because you are increasing the performance beyond what they were designed to handle.

[Graxall]

If you don't wanna mess with the tranny, then you should forget about it right now. :rolleyes:

If you did all the NA mods available (including building the internals for higher compression) and tuned it to run on premium gas, you'd be making enough HP that the tranny would start to slip. At high enough power levels to make any significant increase in performance in a grand am, tranny mods are required. Any good tuner will tell you when you moddify one area of the car, you have to mod other areas to match because you are increasing the performance beyond what they were designed to handle.
I read somewhere that our stock trannys can take about 300whp?

[bszopi]

Although its the 3.6VVT being discussed, I'd probably go the route GM Racing did...

http://www.gm.com/company/racing/technology/MattHartford.htm

"The final race engine was eventually debored and destroked to meet the category rules. Two big twin turbos were added along with a modified upper intake, but the competition engine still maintained its production lower intake, fuel rail and head castings. Although a small liner was pressed into the block to meet the class rules of a 3.5L engine, the block casting, cylinder head castings, and crankshaft all remained production components. "

"We race in Sport Compact to push the parts and technology to the extreme and to reach the highest performance level. With the twin-turbo V-6, we're now making over 1650 horsepower, but that's just the beginning point, not the end point. Like everything we do at GM Racing, we will continue to develop it, stress it harder and run it faster. With the performance potential of this engine, we're only beginning to scratch the surface."

And its all going through a 4T65E...

[CUSTOMGAGT2000SEDAN]

i thought we are talking about the 3.4 not 3.6vvt. and i also read several times my self the same thing about our tranny handling 300 whp . that's all i need that or as close to that as possible. so i am inline with hp and tq of now day cars . and can silence a few of these import guys up here that dog my car hard and and don ' t give it a stare. when most of theses guy's car are falling apart but there engines are fast .
a little more speed and i would consider my car a better allround car. these guys get so impressed with there fast cars and i bet there cars will sooner then later end up in the scrap yard long before mine and all they have is the engine unless they blow it up . which i hear all the time up here. now isn ' t then impressive.
i don ' t even bother trying to defend my self and boast about my car up hear. basically since the fast and furious thing hp / speed is all the rage. if it wasn ' t this big rage and the fact it may ??effect resale of a car . i would be quite happy with the power of my car. looks pretty tuff / good / sounds pretty good/ etc etc . it's not a mercedes but neither is it a plain jane honda.
one of my friends hear has a yellow s/s sc cobalt . and front the front view my car looks meaner / tuffer/aggressive . and that pretty much goes for the rearend too( if you compare mine or a sc/t gagt rear end) they may change if they put out a nice custom hood someday. ya he is faster / and his 2 tone seats look nicer and the spoiler is cool. but all i would want from that car is the extra power.
it is a really nice looking car ,don ' t get me wrong. maybe i would like a 2 door version of my car instead of 4 door. but still debating that with my self . but i have what i have now.

[customcarsff]

i would do a custom front mount intercooler with nx cooling spray through the intercooler. stage 3 turbo. rksport bodykit. color purge under wheel wells and from side of fenders. manual six speed.

just remeber its not how you stand by your car but how you race your car you guys better learn that.

[bszopi]

just remeber its not how you stand by your car but how you race your car you guys better learn that.

Huh?

[2003SCT]

All in all guys...as far as motors that have come in a GA....the Ecotec 4 cyl has got to be the best way to go! Hell look at all the stuff you can get for them...alot of people making 1000+ hp on a fairly stock block....drag racers at least. Fairly stock head too.

It would have to be the cheapest way to go too..

CHRIS

[2003SCT]

Oh yeah..heres some links

http://gmtunertour.com/index.asp?section=B68C6DE57C8D45FDA31A43554F06010A

http://gmtunertour.com/index.asp?section=B592A7DF2B4D41A78CF337DADAFAA851&page=55CBA209F13F467ABBCA030DD03F98F5

CHRIS

[AaronGTR]

I read somewhere that our stock trannys can take about 300whp?


Don't know where you heard that from... but it's false.



Here's the important part. Do you want to make 200hp and be fast, or make 300hp and be slow? The problem with the stock trans is the clutches weren't designed to handle that much power, and the pcm is programmed to protect it if you're making too much power.

You can make lots of power and not get any faster. I've experienced this first hand. Last year my car was making 235whp which is almost 300 at the crank. It wasn't going any faster in the quarter though than when I was only making 190whp. That's because the clutches were slipping and torque management in the pcm was slowing my shifts. On the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts, the car wouldn't start to pull until 5000rpm, and by then I only had 1300 rpm left before shifting. I lost so much time to slippage that it made the car slower than it should have been for it's power level.

The bottom line is, on these cars, if you increase the power to a certain level, you will run into these problems, and if you don't address the transmission and pcm programming, you won't get faster no matter how much you increase the power. The pcm will basically slow the car down to protect the transmission. The only way to fix that is to build up the transmission to handle more abuse and re-program the pcm so it doesn't reduce the power and shifts the way you want it too.

[99gtworld]

Look I know you said to not mention swaps but, Id love to do an ls1 swap,then mod the hell out of it. just my2. sorry.

[SpyhunteR]

Look I know you said to not mention swaps but, Id love to do an ls1 swap,then mod the hell out of it. just my2. sorry.

and you wouldn't be able to register it legally, smog it legally, etc. etc.

I bet you'd get a lot farther w/ an ecotec in this car than an LS1

[AaronGTR]

In michigan, and probably in texas too I'd imagine, we don't have smog and they don't care what engine's in it to register it. I could swap an LS1 into my car tommorrow and drive it on the street and no one would care or know. We don't have inspections here. ;)

Now would I want to waste the time,money, or effort to make an expensive front heavy V8 grand am that would probably handle like crap?... thats another question. :)

[SpyhunteR]

In michigan, and probably in texas too I'd imagine, we don't have smog and they don't care what engine's in it to register it. I could swap an LS1 into my car tommorrow and drive it on the street and no one would care or know. We don't have inspections here. ;)

Now would I want to waste the time,money, or effort to make an expensive front heavy V8 grand am that would probably handle like crap?... thats another question. :)

Lucky ass. I live next to California, can't move there even though I want to, car reasons. Living in Las Vegas, can't do it unless you find a crooked smog man. If you live in rural parts of Nevada, you're good to go.

Simply unfair.

But my thoughts are with you, yeah LS1 tight, but then there's nose heavy blundering nonsense to deal w/. That and I can make plenty power with what I gots. !

Did I mention I heart you sometimes?

[AaronGTR]

Could always move to texas. lol

[gaowners32]

Lucky ass. I live next to California, can't move there even though I want to, car reasons. Living in Las Vegas, can't do it unless you find a crooked smog man. If you live in rural parts of Nevada, you're good to go.

Simply unfair.

But my thoughts are with you, yeah LS1 tight, but then there's nose heavy blundering nonsense to deal w/. That and I can make plenty power with what I gots. !

Did I mention I heart you sometimes?

This just went from a performance chat to a personals ad Man seeking man kinda shizit :amraam:

[harvester45]

This just went from a performance chat to a personals ad Man seeking man kinda shizit :amraam:
lol

[Phuxed]

In michigan, and probably in texas too I'd imagine, we don't have smog and they don't care what engine's in it to register it. I could swap an LS1 into my car tommorrow and drive it on the street and no one would care or know. We don't have inspections here. ;)

Now would I want to waste the time,money, or effort to make an expensive front heavy V8 grand am that would probably handle like crap?... thats another question. :)
just one more reason why I love living in Michigan

[Graxall]

So yea my dream grand am would be 3 sticks of dynamite in remote locations wired so when the car turns on it explodes...

[timberwoof]

Well if we are going with the dream GA then I would have to change out everything but the chassis and body. I know this is going to get alot of slack from you DOMESTIC lovers, but I have to throw in the t u n e r since of things.
Swap in a SR20DET and go to town with the rear wheel drive. Change out all suspension and go for boost. Then take it out on the street and watch the jaws drop on the Trans Ams. That's right I said it. Lighter and faster, or atleast a match. But that's a dream GA, but personnally if I had the choice I'de just go for a twin turbo setup and turn the thing into a Import-Domestic hybrid track car and surprise the hell out of the competition.

Is this blasphamy???? Probably, but its only a dream, and I'm more an import turbo lover than anything.

[Schweppe23]

Build up a solid bottom end, tight high lift cam with heads to match, flip the turbo headers around, weld 2 new flanges on for the 2 GT30Rs with 3 inch dumppipes, large air/air and put my methanol nozzle right before the TB. Turn the boost up to an insane amount and hope the Rossler trans holds for the 10sec pass.

[SikMindz]

Well if we are going with the dream GA then I would have to change out everything but the chassis and body. I know this is going to get alot of slack from you DOMESTIC lovers, but I have to throw in the t u n e r since of things.
Swap in a SR20DET and go to town with the rear wheel drive. Change out all suspension and go for boost. Then take it out on the street and watch the jaws drop on the Trans Ams. That's right I said it. Lighter and faster, or atleast a match. But that's a dream GA, but personnally if I had the choice I'de just go for a twin turbo setup and turn the thing into a Import-Domestic hybrid track car and surprise the hell out of the competition.

Is this blasphamy???? Probably, but its only a dream, and I'm more an import turbo lover than anything.

And you'd achieve the same thing that Schweppe and Spy have done except done the run of the mill thing and used a tried and proven engine. :amraam:

[timberwoof]

Hey they asked about a dream GA, right. Well that would be mine, lets face it the 3400 isn't an engine that can stand up to alot of HP, without throwing gobs of money at it.
Now the exterior and interior, you can go all out and make a good show car, and yours is a good Ex: Sik. Props man

[nascarnate326]

Id want an E-85 GAGT. Then if I could have Jordan Capri in the passenger seat that would take care of todays dream. Oh, and a 5-speed.

[Vegeta]

No, they asked about dream 3400, but I guess thats close enough for your nissan motor.

[jturkey69]

Hmm....Okay, assuming I can put a strong short-throw 6-speed manual gearbox with a Quaife limited-slip on it....

(I have omitted intake and exhaust components since we're only talking about the engine itself)

Individual (small-diameter) throttle bodies for each cylinder
Tuned, dual-length intake runners for each cylinder
Port-matched heads with larger intake and exhaust valves; sodium-filled stems with bronze valve guides and beryllium seats; Crane Gold-Race forged aluminum roller rocker arms with Crane custom roller cam grind, lightweight 4130 pushrods, Crane 105# beehive valve springs and Crane hydraulic lifters
RC Engineering balanced and blueprinted fuel injectors
4-bolt block cast in aluminum instead if iron with Nikasil cylinder liners
Keith Black custom forged billet steel crank, with Clevite 77 main bearings and 4-bolt main caps held by ARP hardware
Keith Black lightened, balanced, and shot-peened forged con rods
Keith Black forged lightweight pistons; 10.5:1 compression ratio
Total Seal gapless piston rings and Fel-Pro intake and exhaust gaskets
Custom copper head gaskets with ARP head studs
Rotating assembly balanced and blueprinted
10 quart dry sump oiling system
MoTeC programmable engine management
Findenza aluminum flywheel
all of the above with 2 exceptions...
1) single throw crank meaning two rods per journal not one
2 )one big t70

[Graxall]

Ide throw a inline in the routery gerter durhh im retarded lol..;crap

[jackal2000]

Ide throw a inline in the routery gerter durhh im retarded lol..;crap
should be easy with your cat like speed and reflexes lol

[Graxall]

should be easy with your cat like speed and reflexes lol
Hey i called you earlier, when i was, on the phone...I dialed 1800 42 niner....................

[jackal2000]

were you calling from a walky talky?

[Graxall]

were you calling from a walky talky?
No...it was a cell phone....
Haha ok but enough whoring the thread..Dream 3400 back on track!