Eagle Wheel Problem...Immediate Response needed

[RAZE]

I have 18" Chrome Eagle 077's that I had to take off my car due to severe wheel vibrations. We never put the hubrings on because the ones on clubgp don't fit even though they claim it's the correct size. is it possible they gave me the wrong bolt pattern? The hubring is too small for the wheel. On the box, the size says 5x114.3 and 38mm offset. How do i go about solving this problem????

[el gordo loco]

what lug nuts were you using?..IIRC.. AMRAM had a thread a while back that said that his stock lugs (or acorns style) lug nuts solve his problems....I'm not an eagle owner but have been considering it... see thread below...hope this helps.


http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12992&highlight=lug+nuts+eagle

[Molson]

Mine were tight, I had the sand the rings down a bit so they slipped over. I can almost guarantee thats your problem. Firrst time I had em on they were too tight and shook a lot. When I took em off and sanded them it was much better.

[RAZE]

I have the opposite problem. Instead of the rings being too tight, they are too loose. when you put the ring in the wheel, they should just snap in. These rings aren't big enough and when you put them in the wheel, they don't even touch the wheel.

To solve the problem, we put the rings in backwards and balanced the wheels a THIRD time. The side with the lip went in the wheel first. I took it on the highway right after and at 80mph, no vibrations. WHen i slowed down a little, i felt a little bit of vibrations but nowhere near what they used to be. Then the vibrations went away. :confused:

[Molson]

Hmm. Mine are installed on the hub.. Flat to the inside. (Lip on first) so it sits flush on the hub and the champhered edge goes in the wheel. Possible you have wrong ones. Just order a new set.

[RAZE]

That was the second set I ordered from clubgp. I also emailed them once and they never responded.

[Molson]

Oh.. DOH!

Wish I could help you out more.

[uratool]

ok I am confused on how exactly the rings go on. I finally put my wheels on today and I placed the rings on with the lip of the hub ring facing away from the car towards the front of the wheel itself. I thought that they were supposed to go on with the lip sitting flush up against the hub of the car and the tapered side going into the wheel. but when I looked at the length that the hub sticks out and guesstimated at how much of it actually goes inside the center hole of the rim when they are on the car, it seemed to me that putting them on with the lip facing towards the hub on the car would serve no purpose since the ring would not even be touching the inside of the wheel. Maybe I am a complete :tool: but that is what I came up with. If I put them on backwards let me know so I can fix it quick. BTW I did have to sand down the inside of the rings a good bit to make em fit over the hub, they are fairly snug on the hub now.

[Molson]

they should be semi-loose so they will still center when its movie. They say slightly sloppy on the hub is ok.
From the instructions I had, they say flat edge to hub (which makes sense) the wheel will go over top, and also be flush on the hub.

[RAZE]

I am going to keep the rings on the way they are right now (lip facing the wheel). it may be backwards but it's working. I won't be doing any damage to the wheel, right? Those rings are just plastic.

[AMRAAM4]

This is not rocket science....too much paranoia. Here are 2 pics of what to do. These will be good for future people who need a clue.

PIC 1 = SIDE VIEW AND WHICH WAY TO POSITION

[AMRAAM4]

PIC 2 = WHERE TO SAND IN ORDER TO ALLOW CLUBGP HUB RINGS TO FIT BEST.

[Molson]

Hehehe.

WHAT HE SAID!!!

[RAZE]

Thanks for the illustrations lol . Sorry to upset you Mr. Amraam. I owe you a beer at GAP for my stupidity :)

[Molson]

and you can give me a beer, just because. :D

[RAZE]

Originally posted by Molson
and you can give me a beer, just because. :D

Only if you beat me in beer pong since you seem to be doing a lot of talking in the GAP forum :D

[Molson]

Ohhhhh, thats the way its gonna be eh? OK then, you're on.

:D

[blake]

so if i get those rings u all are talkin about the vibration in my 077's will stop??? (praying):p

[2002GT]

Ok Hol up? I put my rims on and I didn't buy no hub rings?

[blake]

mee either....and mine shake like a biotch when i go above 65-70 or so....

[Molson]

Only if you guys have the 114.3 bolt pattern. If you have the 5 x 115 you don't need em

[AMRAAM4]

Alright!!! This is getting utterly ridiculous!! I have spoken as to what to do for the Eagle 077 (or any other rim) a million fricken times. People seriously need to do some research or show some initiative on how to fix things themselves. I'm usually playing when I tell others to search, but now I am really getting PO'd because I have written many times how to help people with wheel problems. HERE IS THE INFO...now quit whining and go fix it.

HOW TO PUT WHEELS ON YOUR DAMN CAR (http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12992&highlight=Future+and+Eagle+owners)

P.S. Just have the tires put on the wheels at a shop, as for putting them on your car DO IT YOURSELF. That way you can follow these instructions and don't have to listen to some tire monkey who thinks he knows it all because he has a tire changing machine. If you don't know how to change the tires off a car...LEARN!!! you'll need to know it someday...plus you'll be saving money.

[RAZE]

Originally posted by AMRAAM4
P.S. Just have the tires put on the wheels at a shop, as for putting them on your car DO IT YOURSELF. That way you can follow these instructions and don't have to listen to some tire monkey who thinks he knows it all because he has a tire changing machine. If you don't know how to change the tires off a car...LEARN!!! you'll need to know it someday...plus you'll be saving money.

After my experience, I agree with Bob 100%. I took my car to 3 different shops to put them on and had the wheels rebalanced 3 times on 2 different machines and the wheels were mounted twice. Every shop told me that the hub rings are no good, even after i insisted that they are specifically made for that wheel to go on a grand am. one shop even told me there are no hub rings for that wheel and was going to charge me $200 to have custom rings made. Bottom line: THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW GRANDAMGT.COM EXISTS AND THEREFORE THEY DON'T BELIEVE US WHEN WE TELL THEM SOMETHING. There are some matters you need to take into your own hands. If you want to mod your car, you better start learning.

[2002GT]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AMRAAM4
[b]HERE IS THE INFO...now quite whining and go fix it.



Shouldn't that be quit whining... bro ;)
:thumbs: but thanks for the info... have you took your midol yet and calmed down?

[uratool]

ok here is a question for ya: when I put my wheels on with the rings installed the "correct" way and used the stock lugs, the wheel isn't centered on the hub at all. I have to move it around in order to get the lugs on the studs. Yet when I put the rings on backwards the wheel appears to be centered perfectly and the studs are centered in each bolt hole. So I opted to put them on backwards and hence now have the 60mph+ vibrations. So I ask you AMRAAM4 and others who have installed them "right" and have no vibrations, did you find that you were faced with the same situation when placing the hubrings on, meaning was it the lug nuts that centered the wheel on the car? I ask because if this is the case, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the hubrings? Don't flame me or nail me up on a cross for asking this. I did do a search and read the previous posts and other threads pertaining to this topic and found no answer to my specific question.

[GatorMan]

i have the bolt pattern 5 on 115 077s and i had lots of vibration until my wheels where balanced correctly...now i have a little on 60mph+. I dont think i need the rings....do i need to get my car realinged?

[RAZE]

uratool- I would get them rebalanced again. Make sure they are balanced by a damn good shop because these wheels require state of the art equipment. Once I took my wheels to a better shop with brand new equipment, they rebalanced my wheels and the vibrations are GONE! I also had the hubrings put on backwards and the wheels are perfectly hubcentric now. How long those rings will last before needing to be replaced is another story but I am willing to put them to the test.

Gatorman- You don't need your car realigned. Wait until you drop your car and then align it :thumbs:

[uratool]

thanks RAZE. Can anyone else that put them on "right" comment on my situation?

[oakley]

I have 17" 077's on my car 5x115 and have no vibration at all at any speed

[EBlend]

go to tiretrends.com and email them, they will sell you the correct rings, thats where u got mine

[AMRAAM4]

Originally posted by EBlend
go to tiretrends.com and email them, they will sell you the correct rings, thats where u got mine

No they will not EBlend. I contacted them prior to finding ClubGP and they said since they do not sell that wheel they do not have appropriate specs to cover themselves seeing that it is not the exact bolt pattern.

[uratool]

well called Eagle Distrubuter and asked about hub rings made for the 077. Guy told me they don't make them. Now I have measured the hub and come up with something like 90.4mm which no one seems to have. The box the wheels came in says the centerbore is 82.8 but that is for further inside the wheel (the part the hub ring would actually mate up with is larger). Either way I cannot find hubrings that are an exact fit for the wheel. So scratch that plan. Guy I talked to from Eagle was trying to sell me on the same BS that AMRAAM4 got about lugcentric lugs and all. So back to my original question: when I put my wheels on with the rings installed the "correct" way and used the stock lugs, the wheel isn't centered on the hub at all. I have to move it around in order to get the lugs on the studs. Yet when I put the rings on backwards the wheel appears to be centered perfectly and the studs are centered in each bolt hole. So I opted to put them on backwards and hence now have the 60mph+ vibrations. So I ask you AMRAAM4 and others who have installed them "right" and have no vibrations, did you find that you were faced with the same situation when placing the hubrings on, meaning was it the lug nuts that centered the wheel on the car? I ask because if this is the case, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the hubrings?

[Molson]

I orderd rings from ClubGP. worked great. case closed. This has been covered 34032942 times here.

[uratool]

well if the case is closed then please share your insight and wisdom with me and answer my question

[Molson]

the Hubcentric rings from ClubGP are for our hub and the eagle wheels with a 114.3 bolt pattern. They may need a little sanding to fit perfect.
The ring helps center the wheel on the hub, the lugs hold the wheel on. If its not centered, of course you will get a vibration.

My guess is you got shipped the wrong rings.

[uratool]

FINALLY!!!! Thanks for your info and input Molson. I did purchase the rings from clubgp and sanded them down so they fit over the hub yet the only way the wheel would be centered on the car is to put the rings on backwards, if you put the rings on the correct way then put the wheels on it is like there isn't even a hubring on there.

[Molson]

Yeah. The wheel should fit over the large part of the ring, backwards or not, sound like the wheel is not bottoming out on the hub like it should.

[uratool]

that is exactly what it is doing. Any suggestions?

[Molson]

my only suggestion is try another set of rings.

[uratool]

ok so I ordered a new set of hubrings from clubgp. they arrived yesterday. I plan to switch them out sometime this week. Is there anything I am forgeting or not doing right?

[AMRAAM4]

Originally posted by uratool
ok so I ordered a new set of hubrings from clubgp. they arrived yesterday. I plan to switch them out sometime this week. Is there anything I am forgeting or not doing right?

uratool...I don't think I am the only one who is on the verge of hypothically slapping you!!

[uratool]

Well thanks for all the help there amraam4. Really, Way To Go ace. I am so sorry for upsetting your royalness. If you would come down off of your 077 King high horse for a minute and read my posts, then you would notice that what I am asking has Not been answered directly or addressed. I did Everything just as you posted originally and encountered the whole thing with the hubring not centering the wheel like it is supposed to unless it is put on backwards. I got One (1) suggestion from one person about balancing the wheels and replies from Molson suggesting to order new rings. I asked previously if anyone had the same problems that I did with the rings not doing what they are supposed to, in fact in one of the posts I even addressed you Amraam4. Never got a response in regards to that situation. I mean WTF, I thought this site was a place for GA entusiasts to come and get helpful information. Instead all I ever see is people trippin out with "use the search". Yeah there are a lot of useless posts on here that have been answered I agree with that hole heartedly. However, my post is not one of them, I in fact have used the search repeatedly for this problem and found no specific answer to my questions. If you have a problem answering my question then cool don't reply. I just figured since you are the self-appointed 077-Guru that you would perhaps have some insight on my situation. If you do and are willing to share, then thanks ahead of time. If not then perhaps someone else can?

[RAZE]

Originally posted by uratool
ok so I ordered a new set of hubrings from clubgp. they arrived yesterday. I plan to switch them out sometime this week. Is there anything I am forgeting or not doing right?

I'm not exactly sure what you're expecting us to tell you. All you need to do is put them on with the lip towards the hub of the car and lightly sand the inside of the ring to make it fit better. When you put the wheel on, it's going to sit a little loose on the hub which amraam said is okay.

Did you take care of the balancing yet? That's step 1 and if you haven't gotten past that yet, the rings won't mean anything.

[uratool]

Yeah thanks Raze, I took them to a different shop and got them rebalanced. you say it is supposed to sit loose? Do you mean the wheel, cus when I put the rings on the correct way, the wheel is resting on the wheel studs not the hub. which I thought is the whole purpose of hubrings. I have to like physically move the wheel up and down and side to side to get the wheel studs centered in the bolt holes so that I can get the lugs on. That made me think that the lugs would be centering the wheels which is what the hubrings are supposed to be doing right?>

[RAZE]

Yeah, the wheel is supposed to sit a "little" loose. Before you put the hubrings on the car, you should first test to see how the hubrings fit inside the wheel. There will be an extremely small gap in between the ring and the wheel. By that, I mean the ring will NOT snap into the wheel, unless you push it all the way inside but the ring isn't supposed to go that far in anyway.

[uratool]

Dang dude, finally I get a clear answer on this whole thing. What you just told me about the wheel sitting on there loose is why I put the rings on backwards. I understand what you are saying about it fitting loose in the wheel and not going that far in. I just didn't understand how if at all that the hubring and the wheel were even coming into contact with one another if the wheel is all loose. I was thinking that the wheel shouldn't be all loose like that. Thanks for the info:D

[AMRAAM4]

Contrary to what you think, YES, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ANSWERED. Not only will this past info help, but common sense in putting a wheel on will as well. THAT is why I never answered you. I am tired of repeating myself. RAZE handles the duty now, I have passed my knowledge on to him :D

[02PONtiac!]

I ran into the same problem with the common wheel vibration with the Eagle 077's. I searched and searched everywhere I could about this issue. My conclusion was; 1. Use the stock lug nuts for the 077's, 2. Buy the hub rings off of CLubgp and sand them to fit and make sure you install them backwards, 3. Torque the stock lug nuts to 100ft. lbs. If you do these 3 simply tasks your 077's will not vibrate. If they do vibrate after all of these tasks have been performed then your wheel balancing is most likely the case of wheel vibration. Good luck all and there is a cure for the common wheel vibration with these wheels.

[AMRAAM4]

Originally posted by 02PONtiac!
I ran into the same problem with the common wheel vibration with the Eagle 077's. I searched and searched everywhere I could about this issue. My conclusion was; 1. Use the stock lug nuts for the 077's, 2. Buy the hub rings off of CLubgp and sand them to fit and make sure you install them backwards, 3. Torque the stock lug nuts to 100ft. lbs. If you do these 3 simply tasks your 077's will not vibrate. If they do vibrate after all of these tasks have been performed then your wheel balancing is most likely the case of wheel vibration. Good luck all and there is a cure for the common wheel vibration with these wheels.

God Bless ya 02PONtiac!!! You have made me proud :thumbs:

[02PONtiac!]

Word to your mother!!

[RAZE]

After searching through all the eagle posts and through all my experiences with the eagle 077's, I have concluded this:

Eagle 077's in the 114.3 bolt pattern suck. The vibrations are here to stay and refuse to leave. You are at a lower risk of developing tendonitis when operating a jackhammer for 60 years than driving with the 077's in the 114.3 bolt pattern for 8 months. :thumbs:


-ROUT

[Avsguy01]

If you pay so damn much for these wheels why doesnt Eaglewheels just give ya the lugs in the first place.

[RAZE]

What do the lugs have to do with this?

[Avsguy01]

Im just confused that when i go to buy 5x115 18" 077's this month from eaglewheels.com, why they just wouldnt give me lugs that come with the wheels. I mean thats the correct wheel pattern for our car so why wouldnt they work? By the way i checked with my local GM Service shop and they sell 99' stock PYO1 chrome lugs for $8.60 per lug. Thats outrageous!

[RAZE]

Why would you want different lugs? The stocks fit okay and you can barely see them.

[Avsguy01]

You have to remember. My stock lugs are the 03 versions. Thats a center cap on the torque chrometechs. Underneath that cap is the real lug nuts and they are cheap bronze looking lugs where the bolt actually sticks out of them. I cant have them on the car......lol Gm just gets cheaper every year

[RAZE]

I didn't realize they were bronze. Try ordering the lug nuts online through gmpartsdirect or one of those websites.

[Avsguy01]

I wish i could but no one seems to want to help with getting the exact number for me........ The closest that has come up was aluminum 99' lugs

[jazzman]

just go to an auto store and buy some

hell of a lot cheaper that way, can get four locking lugs for the price of one gm lug.

Derek

[Avsguy01]

Pfyc.com (http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PFYC&Product_Code=GN9008&Product_Count=7&Category_Code=GAWHEELS)

Has anyone tried these for those 077 wheels?