Lugcentric rings plus acorn style lugs

[resevil83]

Ok I have read all the posts and understand how to properly install the lugcentric rings from clubgp.com or whatever. I also do understand that our stock lugnuts with the hubrings will work well on a 5X114.3 polt pattern, aka 5X4.5 Now my question is this... I want to get locking lugnuts or some sort of lug nut that people wont easily be able to take off. I just want to help prevent against theft. With the acorn lugs, are the wheels easily steal - able? Is there a way I can get locking lugs to fit on my 5X114.3 wheels with hub rings? (no vibrations) Thx for all ur help

[AMRAAM4]

OK, we need some clarification here for you before moving ahead.

-Lugcentric means that the wheel is centered and supported by the lugs. There is no such thing as a lugcentric ring

-Hubcentric means the wheel is centered and supported by the hub.

-Technically, bolt pattern has nothing to do with lugnuts. A wrong bolt pattern is a wrong bolt pattern, nothing to do with the lugs.

[resevil83]

ok, thanks for clarification. So now I want locking lug nuts... I dont want people to easily be able to steal my rims. Do acorn lugs need a special tool to get them off? Do they work well with a wheel that has 5X114.3 bolt pattern?

Do I need hubcentric rings and lugcentric rings to make sure I don't get any vibrations? Or can I just go with 4 hubcentric rings. I guess I should study some more... lol. I'll read the posts again and try to understand.

[RAZE]

Before the fire ignites, allow me to chime in for a moment...

Hubrings will be needed REGARDLESS of whether you use the squirrel lugs.

also, this is straight out of Amraam's thread:
"Lug Nuts = If you want locking/new lugs then trial and error it...but STOCK LUGS are all you need. If you don't want to mess with locking lugs, keep the receipts for the wheels/tires and if they are stolen they will be replaced by insurance (tires will be depreciated upon mileage). "

[AMRAAM4]

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[resevil83]

ok, I said I'd re-read the posts. I did read the part about the recipts... Of course I'm going to keep my recipts but it would be a lot more reassuring if I know that my wheels won't be gone in the first place. Then I wont have to worry about it. And I was asking which locks work well with the 5X114.3 wheel BESIDES the stock ones. I want locking ones. That's why I asked if the acorn lugs need a special tool to get them off. Wouldn't it just make sense in getting a set of hubcentric rings then getting locking lugs with lugcentric rings? That way you really won't have to trial and error. If anyone has done the locking lugs with this bolt pattern please let me know where you got your lugs from.

[AMRAAM4]

resevil....I'm sorry, but you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

I want locking ones. That's why I asked if the acorn lugs need a special tool to get them off. Wouldn't it just make sense in getting a set of hubcentric rings then getting locking lugs with lugcentric rings?

That sentence right there, makes about as much sense as a 1-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

5x114.3 HAS NOTHING to do with locking lugnutsworking, the size of the wheelstud is what matters (12x1.5)!! You can have 5x100...5x120...5x115...5x1.6million, it doesn't matter

There is NO SUCH THING as lugcentric rings!!

Locking lugs are pointless, if they want your wheels, they will just strip the lock, have a key, or steal the whole car

[uratool]

chalk another one up in the books for good ol' amraam4 for being so "helpful" on yet another Eagle 077 thread! C'mon amraam4 you are in deed the Self-proclaimed Eagle 077 Guru. The way I see it is since you declared yourself the final word and "authority" as far as GA's and 077's are concerned then you should Expect people of inferior knowledge concerning wheels and such to ask questions that would seem pointless and stupid to a person such as your self of such GREAT knowledge where these wheels and 99+ GA's are concerned. If these threads and questions displease you so much then DON'T reply to them and pass your crown on to someone else like Raze. I can understand the frustration of people asking questions that have already been answered in previous threads and not using the "search" button before posting. But d**n dude get a freakin grip here and either accept the responsibility of what comes with the title you have claimed or pass it on. I thought this site was designed to be a community for GA owners and enthusiasts, like yourself and me as well, to come and post info and ask questions regarding our cars. Not get flamed for god forbid posting a quesiton that has already been answered by you. I like many others greatly appreciate the knowledge and information you have shared through your own experiences with the members of this site. However, as I and many others have posted questions regarding your expertise on the 077 situation, I have witnessed you do everything but crucify someone for not knowing or comprehending information that you have previously posted.
I am done. I am sure you will take offense to this and probably respond in the utmost immature manner. Perhaps I am the one at fault for posting this which like in your own signature, is what I am sure many feel but won't say. Hell I thank you for what you have offered to the members of this site (myself included) but c'mon dude, after all you are the one who deemed you the master of 077/99+Ga knowledge!

[AMRAAM4]

Thank you for all your kind words uratool.

...and there's still no such thing as lugcentric rings after all that jibberish

[Molson]

McGuard makes locking lugs

[resevil83]

ok I guess my questions need to be rephrased because of my lack of knowledge. Which I am willingly ready to admit. So, therefore, I will ask this; Why do some lugs not "grab" or fit nicely or fit in a 5X114.3 wheel? That is of course, IF we are talking about a wheel that is mounted/balanced and is sitting on a HUBCENTRIC lol ring. So in situational terms... I'm buying 17X7 5X114.3 wheels with 235/45/17 tires. I am also going to buy a set of hubcentric rings from clubgp.com and sand the inside a bit to get it to fit on my wheel nicely. Then I am going to make a mistake by buying locking lugs from autozone and find out that the lugs wont fit nicely on the bolts. So what brand nuts have people used and liked on these wheels?

Molson, thankyou... have you tested these lugs?

[AMRAAM4]

If the rims you are buying are not Eagle's, then don't expect the ClubGP hub rings to work. Every centerbore on a wheel is different, and the one's from ClubGP are the diameter of the Eagle centerbore. The interior diameter, for the hub should all be the same since that is a constant on our car (obviously).

The reason why some lugs don't grab appropriately is because lugcentric lugs look to reach through the bolt hole in the rim and grab more stud. If the bolt pattern is a smidge off then your bolt holes don't line up with an equadistant amount of open space between the stud and bolt hole, thus the lugs can't slip through there. Other times it could be a fact that the rims offset doesn't leave enough stud protruding out of the bolt hole to grab enough threads to create a solid grab.

[resevil83]

do you think these wheels and their offset will leave enough thread for the lugs to grab?

1-piece, Rotary Forged Wheel
950 lb. load rating
26" maximum tire diameter
Hub bore 72.62mm

lugs that they supply
60 degree acorn lug nuts
Wheels include billet cap (P/N CS-150)

the offset is 42mm

[Molson]

resevil83 - haven't tested em, I use SocketLugs

[AMRAAM4]

Originally posted by resevil83
do you think these wheels and their offset will leave enough thread for the lugs to grab?

1-piece, Rotary Forged Wheel
950 lb. load rating
26" maximum tire diameter
Hub bore 72.62mm

lugs that they supply
60 degree acorn lug nuts
Wheels include billet cap (P/N CS-150)

the offset is 42mm

Yes, that is stock offset.

As for the hub rings fitting, I don't know what the hub bore is on teh Eagle's so I cannot say if it matches the 72.62mm

[resevil83]

is there a place where I can find different hubcentric rings? diffrent sizes etc? or can they custom make them... I just dont want to pay a million dollars for hubrings...

[resevil83]

I did some searching and I found this. http://www.1010tires.com/hubrings.asp

So now I believe that our stock hub size is 70.3mm and the size that I need is 72.62. On that size it says outside diameter 72.62 and inside diameter of 70.3mm. Now is that saying the outside is the side my wheel will be getting or is that the side that my hub on my car is getting. I think that in since the wheels hub bore is larger than the stock, this hub ring will not work unless I flip it around. Is that ok to do? Or do I have to make some sort of spacer?

[AMRAAM4]

Dude, you are so confusing.

Copy and paste this, but include answers, nothing more:

Grand Am Hub circumference =
Centerbore of new wheel =

[Natedog]

Originally posted by resevil83
I did some searching and I found this. http://www.1010tires.com/hubrings.asp

So now I believe that our stock hub size is 70.3mm and the size that I need is 72.62. On that size it says outside diameter 72.62 and inside diameter of 70.3mm. Now is that saying the outside is the side my wheel will be getting or is that the side that my hub on my car is getting. I think that in since the wheels hub bore is larger than the stock, this hub ring will not work unless I flip it around. Is that ok to do? Or do I have to make some sort of spacer?
this is a very confusing question.. but 70.3mm is the side that touches the hub of the car and 72.62 is the side that touches the wheel... the one listed on the site is the one u want... its very simple=the hub isnt big enough to fill the hole in the back of the wheel, so u need a hubcentric ring to make it fit snugly... just order the rings u listed above and ull be all good... peace

[resevil83]

I accidentally miss spelled a word... I said on that size it says outside diameter... yadda yadda... Instead of size substitute that word out for site.

Grand Am Hub circumference =70.3
Centerbore of new wheel =72.62


http://www.1010tires.com/hubrings.asp


Now, Amraam4... You were involved in a post where the discussion was, how to put your hub rings on. I remember seeing a picture and all that. Actually I'm a tard... You said the american eagle was 73mm I think... so basically mine is 4 tenths smaller, which is ok. So I'll just order those rings and the wheels. With the 42mm offset my lugs should stick through just like stock right? I'm going to buy the locking lugs on that site too.

[AMRAAM4]

I don't believe I have ever said what teh Eagle's centerbore is, because I have never measured it or seen it in print.

Buy the hub rings that say
"Outside Diameter 72.62 | Inside Diameter 70.3"

Buy the wheels in
5x4.5 42mm offset 17x7

I WOULDN'T buy locking lugs till you have the wheels. locking lugs can be bought at any PepBoys, they have a slew of them. Get the wheel, then go buy the locking lugs so that you know what is gonna fit in the bolt holes. All bolt holes are different shapes and sizes.

[resevil83]

last question... I have a 01 Se, do you think the drums will be a problem with the new back rims? They shouldn't be because the wheels I am getting are the exact same offset, correct?

And you think that I will be able to tell once I test fit the wheels to my car what lugs I will need?

[AMRAAM4]

1. I am thinking you should be OK, but I have heard problems before. I don't have any experience seeing that all my cars and the one's I have worked with have had a 4 wheel discs

2. You should be able to tell by the size of the hole in the wheel. That is what is going to decide whether a certain size lugnut will fit inside of it to go on the stud.

[PaPaGA]

OK,i just purchased a set of Eagle wheels,i also have a 2001 se,the wheels did not fit the rear and it didnt matter what the offset was.Make sure you ask whoever your purchasing the wheels from if they will fit the back drums.I wound up having aluminum spacers made for my wheels so that they meet the drum.Some wheels are designed only to fit over disc brakes.

PaPaGA

[resevil83]

I'll ask if they will fit my over my drums however, I may not get an answer... I would buy them either way because of how cool they are and nice they are... So where could I get a set of aluminum wheel spacers made. Can you give me some technical information about the spacers?

[RAZE]

Originally posted by resevil83
I'll ask if they will fit my over my drums however, I may not get an answer... I would buy them either way because of how cool they are and nice they are... So where could I get a set of aluminum wheel spacers made. Can you give me some technical information about the spacers?

Ask a shop that sells wheels if they know of anyone who custom makes aluminum wheel spacers. You will have to drop one of your wheels off and give them the measurement of the car's hub. If you are going to have them custom made, then be prepared to pay. I've gotten a quote of $200 for my Eagle wheels.

[PaPaGA]

Lucky for me,a good friend of mine owns a machine shop.so i didnt pay any labor.But the cost of the aluminum was about $100.Well worth it,i didnt want to send my wheels back!As for any technical stuff,all thats needed is measurments of your hub.The spacers i had made are 3/16's x 1"1/4 wide and slide over the lug bolts.Works perfectly.

PaPaGA