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iceman
07-08-2003, 11:43 PM
This is meant to help new installers get their feet wet in doing their own wiring work in their car, as far as adding extra accessories go... Please, I'm sure I'll post some bad info, or won't say things the best way, so if you have something, ADD ON !!!!

Always disconnect the negative battery terminal when working on your electrical system! Working on live electrical system = bad.

When you take a step back.. just about every wiring job in the car ultimately comes down to the connection of 2 wires to your accessory- positive, and negative AKA ground.


Basic Stuff
Most people can follow instructions for hardwiring accessories, but have trouble figuring out where to make the positive (+12V) connections. Negative is easy in our cars, because the cars electrical system is whats called a negative ground system, which means that the entire chassis, anywhere there is metal that is part of the frame, is a ground.

First, figure out when you want your accessory to have power. You have 3 choices..
Constant Power - Will always have power, as long as the battery is connected.
Accessory Switched (ACC) - Will have power when they key is in the ACC position (or anything past it besides start)
Ignition Switched (IGN) - power only when the key is in the ON position

Determine when you want your accessory to have power. Common uses for constant power are underbody neons, accent lights, horns, fan overrides, etc. Common uses for ACC power are things you would use when the ignition is off, but not constant - the radio operates on ACC power. Common uses for IGN controlled circuits are radar detectors, high current items like fog lights, and other things you would only use when the car is on. Stock IGN powered items are wipers, sunroof, etc.

Once you pick your power source, it's time to find the actual wire where you will be getting your power source. One of the easiest ways to do get power signals in a car is to tap an existing fuse. Most people will just jam a wire into a fuse and shove the fuse back in, holding the wire in place. While this will work, it's not the best way, but I'll still offer some help if you choose to do so.

- Use an aftermarket "add a circuit" fuse tap from an auto parts store. This inserts into your stock fuse plug and provides an outlet for the stock fuse (original circuit) but also provides a second fuse spot, and lead, for your new circuit. This is goo because it does not interfere with the original stock circuit.

-If you are going to just jam a wire in the fuse, or use a fuse tap, it does matter what side of the fuse you tap. Look at your fuse panel map, and you'll see each fuses' current rating, and a little + sign on each fuse. Tap the side without the +. The + signifies that that is the input power for that fuse. If whatever you add ever shorts out, at least you will pop the fuse, and not torch the wire thats connected.



Easy places to get power

ACC: Any fuse marked ACC
IGN: Any fuse marked IGN, sunroof, wipers, turn signals, windows
Constant: Anything marked BATT, the battery itself, and the secondary battery terminal (under hood fuseblock)

If you choose to tap a fuse, you don't want to put high current accessories on those taps. You will want to make use of relays (see below). For example, don't put 10 neon lights on your sunroof fuse and wonder why every time you open the sunroof when the neons are on, the fuse blows. Things like gauges, radar detectors, small things etc, are generally ok piggybacked on top of a stock circuit. Especially one that isn't always on, like the sunroof, windows, blinkers. When you have multiple things to power, or high current items, use your fuse tap to power a relay.

iceman
07-08-2003, 11:44 PM
Relays
Great site about relays - http://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp

Relays allow low current draw signals to turn on high current draw circuits... an electronic switch.

If you have a few things you want IGN controlled, that are pretty sure will draw enough power on their own, use the IGN signal that you have to power a relay, which in turn provides enough power to those accessories. Relays are also useful if you are switching on accessories that are physically outside of the interior of the car, but are switching from inside- you only have to run one signal wire through the firewall.

Fuses + Wire Gauge

Pick the right gauge wire for the job. A good chart is at the bottom of this page: http://www.rbeelectronics.com/wtable.htm . For example, if you are going to wire an accessory with 15 feet of 16 gauge wire, you don't want to exceed 12 amps of current (10 to be safe, always cut it short if you can). If you require more than 12 amps, you'll have to use 14 gauge cable. Overpowering the wire = fire. Don't do it.

Properly fuse any accessory you add!!!!! If you don't, you risk damage to that accessory, your car, your car electrical system, and possible electrical fires. It takes no time and is good, safe practice.

Fuses are always plugged in LAST when wiring electrical accessories. If they pop instantly, you have a short, check wiring before putting more fuses in.

-Fuse as close as you can to the power source. When you run wires, a lot of the time they will be in the console, or under carpet. If there's a short before the fuse, all that wire can torch. Imagine wires burning under your carpet, inside your console, etc... not fun at all

-Use the closest rated fuse you can for the accessory. If an accessory says it draws 5 amps, but you keep popping 5 amp fuses, it's possible that the surge when turning it on is popping the fuse. Try the next highest, 7.5 amp instead.

Inline fuses, or even extra fuse blocks, are available at any electronics or auto store.

iceman
07-08-2003, 11:45 PM
Making the connections

Loose connections are bad. They will arc, short, and just create problems with your accessory flickering on and off.

-Wire nuts belong in the house. Never ever ever connect anything with wire nuts in the car, they are not made for the bumps and abuse that goes on inside a car.

-No duct tape, masking tape, etc.. for electrical connections. Use UL listed electrical tape.

-No twisting wires together and thinking they'll hold w/ electrical tape. It won't last long.

-Crimp connectors are your friend. They make solid connections. Use fully insulated connectors wherever possible. The lighted switches you will generally find at an auto parts store will readily accept a female quick disconnect crimp connector, so it makes connecting wires to them a breeze.

-Get a good set of crimpers otherwise the crimp connectors are useless. The crimpers/strippers that come in the $5 wiring set at pep boys suck, they are made for non insulated terminals and never can crimp good, the wire ends up falling out eventually.

CRAP:
http://www.partsexpress.com/images/360-630m.jpg

Better / best value:
http://www.partsexpress.com/images/360-620m.jpg

Ratcheting pimp version:
http://www.partsexpress.com/images/360-642m.jpg

-If you can't use crimp connectors, solder.

-Tape/heatshrink over all connections to insure solid, lasting connections.

Running wires

-Prepare as much connecting/crimping as you can outside of the car before you start pulling the cable. It saves you time later and also the headache of making connections in tight spots.

-Make a written plan. Draw what you are installing, and detail what and where you are making connections.

-Be aware of moving parts - follow the path of stock wires wherever possible, and cable tie to them.

-Tie down (or up) anything wires you add, you don't want them bouncing around freely.

-In the engine bay, wire as far away from hot parts as possible, and cover wire with wire loom. If you are doing wiring in a cold engine bay, start the car and let it heat up and check to make sure nothing you added is touching any hot parts.

-If you have a few wires going to the same place, tape the end together, and twist them together using a cordless drill. Then tape them together or cover w/ wire loom (thanks mi2kga and Mikey's GT for the tip)

-Make sure you have enough wire to reach where you want to go. If you have to pull 15 feet of cable, and only have a 10 foot section, don't splice a 5 foot section to the end. Go get 15 feet of cable.

There is a thread in the audio section about where to run wires through the firewall into the engine bay from the cabin.

Switches

Switches have 2 connections, an input signal and output signal (to the accessory). Lighted switches will have 3 connections, the third being a ground, to light itself up. It takes + power from the accessory output when switched on.

-Use crimp connectors or solder connections to switches

-Before you go making holes in your console, or anything to mount the switches, check for clearance in front of and behind the switch to make sure it will fit. Dont forget there will be wires sticking out of the back of it too.

-Is your switch going to directly power the accessory? Or will it power a relay ? What type of input will the switch get (ACC, IGN, constant) ?

-Don't exceed the current rating of the switch. If the max current is 10 amps, and you have to switch 15 amps worth of current, use a relay.

iceman
07-08-2003, 11:49 PM
some pretty wiring diagrams here

http://www.oznium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20


please add on whatever you have, it's late, I'm sure I messed somethin up.

Mikey's GT
07-09-2003, 09:42 AM
Good information! :thumbs:

Nice post, this clearly took a little bit of your time to write out.

-Mike

Magnum
07-09-2003, 11:28 AM
I'm no wiring guru, and I think you've done a great job taking the time to write this out. My view on tapping existing fused circuits differs from what you've written, but for anything short of high-current accesories (amp, remote start, etc) tapping fuses should be fine. One thing I do avoid, though, are crimp connectors. I solder whenever possible (which is pretty much always) OR use solder connectors instead of the crimp style. It pretty much comes down to personal preference, but I have had troubles in the past with crimp connectors and no problems ever with solder (except the time I dripped hot solder on a seat. Doh!)

When it comes to wiring a remote start, particularly the starter motor circuit, it simply isn't safe to use a crimp.

One thing missed - MOLEX connectors (the solder kind) are wonderful things for low current apps!

Kdawg207
07-09-2003, 11:30 AM
WOW

well done

cavingman
07-09-2003, 11:36 AM
might wanna put something about the connectors to use when tapping stock wires. The ones you clamp down, then have the little plug thing on the new wire that plugs into em.
obviously forgot what they're called. :\

Magnum
07-09-2003, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by cavingman
might wanna put something about the connectors to use when tapping stock wires. The ones you clamp down, then have the little plug thing on the new wire that plugs into em.
obviously forgot what they're called. :\

wire taps. I'm not a fan of 'em personally

iceman
07-09-2003, 01:06 PM
I got molex and wire tap stuff to add.. I was gonna take pics, I just got my molex crimper the other day, finally. Yes solder whenever possible but most newbs won't be able to make a good solder joint.

The wire taps he's talking about are the 3m quick splices... they are pimp, tap the wire and take an insulated male disconnect to em. good stuff

ForgeGT1
08-28-2003, 10:41 AM
Anyone have trouble with servicing their car with Neons? My pontiac service guy claims if I bring it into the shop and they put it on the lift they will crack. Hence, I had to take the side ones off when they had to replace my tires. I cut the wire and now trying to reconnect them. (More of a pain in the @** than i thought) I want to try to get a male / female plug unit to make it easier next time I have to take them off. Any suggestions? Will the wire taps work as a plug unit?

mjhurley1
08-28-2003, 10:56 AM
Damn Seth, good post. Very informative. :thumbs:
Even Nikki would be impressed!! ;)

cavingman
08-28-2003, 05:51 PM
^lol^

STRMurphy
08-31-2003, 08:28 AM
One thing to add is, it is good to take the negative terminal of the battery, but not completely necessary. 12V isnt much of a shock, especially after experincing a 450V 60Hz shuffle lol. But do be careful with any circuit that has capacitors, that'll give you a nasty blow.

Mikey's GT
09-01-2003, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by STRMurphy
One thing to add is, it is good to take the negative terminal of the battery, but not completely necessary. 12V isnt much of a shock, especially after experincing a 450V 60Hz shuffle lol. But do be careful with any circuit that has capacitors, that'll give you a nasty blow.

No, but dead shorting 12v to ground is guaranteed to pop a fuse at the very least. Unless of course the wire is unfused, which needless to say is a very bad idea...

Easier to play it safe than be sorry later.

-Mike

pyrocustoms
09-17-2003, 04:11 PM
I spliced my interior stuff into the cigarett lighter, and yes, the lighter socket still works, even though i don't have anything that i use it for.

ga_fo_lyfe
07-04-2004, 06:42 PM
How would you do that?

applexpanther
12-09-2004, 12:29 PM
ok i still dont completely understand what a relay does. can someone explain it using some silly metaphor or something??

iceman
12-09-2004, 01:26 PM
It's just a switch.. instead of pressing a button, you close a circuit which in turn closes another circuit

G-ridn-wth-MR.T
12-10-2004, 08:29 PM
Anyone have trouble with servicing their car with Neons? My pontiac service guy claims if I bring it into the shop and they put it on the lift they will crack. Hence, I had to take the side ones off when they had to replace my tires. I cut the wire and now trying to reconnect them. (More of a pain in the @** than i thought) I want to try to get a male / female plug unit to make it easier next time I have to take them off. Any suggestions? Will the wire taps work as a plug unit?-----easy go to a real shop! one that has possibly a drive on Lift/thus bypassing the side by side version eliminating the need to R+R your neons. hope that helps.