Guesstimate HP?

[dylantinc]

Can anyone give a guess at what my HP is right now. (i'm thinkin' roughly 195)

I have an '01 GAGT Coupe w/ borla cat-back, doctorspeed stage 2 hiflow intake(wai) w/ k+n 7" cone, MAF screen removed, taylor wires, ngk plugs, gatorback accessory belt, hypertech 180degree t-stat, Optima Redtop. (i realize some don't effect hp)

Can anyone give a guess at what my HP would be after:

TOG Headers, Street Arsenal PnP UIM/LIM/TB, Street Arsenal Stage 2 Cylinder Head Job, DHP Reprogram.

I'm thinkin the 240-250 range.

Sorry for the lengthy blah, blah

(not sure how to post a list of mods/future mods).

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds with an educated guess.

[jaketuff]

I would say that right now you are about 185 HP, maybe 190. With the mods that you listed you should be in the area of 235-240 depending on what DHP can do to match what they actually do to the heads.

No one provides flow numbers so it is very hard to say. I would not waste my time with Street Arsenal, I would instead go to the local speed shop. It will be cheaper and you can always get their help tuning. Street Arsenal is a ripoff... you are paying for the ease of getting the heads and not having downtime on the car.... that doesn't need to be costly if you manage the time right w/local shop.

JOUT

[dylantinc]

thanks for the heads up on street arsenal (no pun intended). kinda thinkin' it was a load of bull when i read the supposed gains from their work. so you say go to a speed shop and have them do the PnP work? what type of shop are you referring to?

(you seem to know more than some of these guys who throw on stickers, tint, clear tails, and poof! its a "modded" gagt. he he)

my goal is to get around 210hp for now.

thanks for the first response

[Craig99SE2]

jaketuff is about right on. HP estimates from manufacturers are always high ... that's how they sell products! ;)

I have the RSM P&P topend, TB, heads, etc. and have about 210HP at the flywheel. After the headers I am hoping for 230HP. With a good re-program, another 10 is definitely do-able. You be hard pressed to reach 250HP in a NA engine. But considering that is what the S/C cars put out ... still not too shabby! Imagine what would happen if you threw 6psi of boost on top of that 250HP engine! :thumbs:

Good luck man! If you want pics and specifics of my mods and pics of my headwork by RSM, check my sig ...

BTW, I'd recommend taking a look at RSM for your P&P needs.

[jaketuff]

RSM is an excellent alternative if you really need to minimize downtime. They have a major factory as well as severa lproject vehicles that they have done, and a variety of power adding parts to offer. To the point, they blow SA out of the water.

If you wish to look for the local shop, find a performance shop that works on stangs, camaros, or even dreaded imports. Even in the farthest reaches of the sticks (not to say you're there) you can find a speed nut that know his way around a head, 4/6/8. It may take some time and effort, but it could be well worth it. Just ask Sorry_Officer.

Pat

[5-lO]

Im assuming hes talking crank horsepower? That 185 actually seems a little low... maybe not though.

Work off of 170 Stock (ram air is gimmick, plus with WAI it doesnt exist)

Borla 10hp
WAI 5-8hp
MAF screen removed , Plugs Wires 5hp

I see 195ish

I think that is a reasonable number to believe. From what I hear, SLP + APOC CAI = 200 Crank. That is also going to be in HPP mag. Back to my point though.

200 hp Base (with your mods)
+ 20 hp TOG Headers (I hear S&S Might show more than 20... no proof yet)
+ 10 hp PnP UIM and 62mm TB (Id Go APOC but RSM is 2nd)
+ 15 hp PnP Heads (RSM)
+ 10 DHP (Ive HEARD the new DHP ((generic)) is good for 10hp?)

All that goes t0 255 Crank Horse Power. I think thats pretty good for a 3x00 V6

Anyone think my numbers are phukked? Please let me know so I dont bring up my own hopes :-p

Jon

[nnewton123]

your numbers probably aren't too far off but if you say 200... then add 20+10+15+10... it probably adds to more like 235-240. It is not a perfect world.

[bszopi]

Mods require mods... heads will provide the best gains if they are getting good airflow in and good airflow out. Headers will add HP on a stock motor, but will add more HP to an engine that breathes well. A computer reporgram is only as good as it is tuned to the mods at hand. And just because one mod may add 10hp (dyno proven) and other add 20hp (dyno proven) doesn't neccessarily mean that the 2 mods together will add 30hp. They might only add 22hp or they might add 35hp. It all depends on what is going on.......

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Free03GT

Anyone think my numbers are phukked? Please let me know so I dont bring up my own hopes :-p

Jon

Yes ... mods don't just add up. As you add mods on top of mods, their effectiveness is dynamic. Yes, you add an SLP to a stock car and get 10HP. You add a CAI to a stock and get 7HP. Add both and you'll get like 15HP.

Also, FYI - plugs and wires aren't going to do squat for performance.

Like I said, I'm running a complete ported & polished top-end (heads, intakes, TB), SLP, WAI, ASE chip and I am only at 210HP at the crank! I highly doubt just a SLP and CAI will take us to 200HP! I did get *almost* 200 (198) with SLP, WAI and ASE chip tho ...

BTW, been there, done that, dynoed it! Check my page:
http://www.jeepnuts.com/12sGASE/

[Dr_Kyle]

Plugs and wires can RESTORE lost performance, which is what I noticed when I put on my MSD wires. So you will probably feel a difference, but there really isn't any 'gain'.

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Dr_Kyle
Plugs and wires can RESTORE lost performance, which is what I noticed when I put on my MSD wires. So you will probably feel a difference, but there really isn't any 'gain'.

Very well put! Sorry for the misunderstanding ... :cheers:

[5-lO]

Originally posted by Craig99SE2

Like I said, I'm running a complete ported & polished top-end (heads, intakes, TB), SLP, WAI, ASE chip and I am only at 210HP at the crank! I highly doubt just a SLP and CAI will take us to 200HP! I did get *almost* 200 (198) with SLP, WAI and ASE chip tho

Im just going by what I have heard. Once I see it in HPP then I will def belieive it, but I tend to trust John (APoC) and what he says.
Jon

[dylantinc]

Is there any precaution/necessary things i might need to look into when i get UIM/LIM/TB PnP work,Heads, Headers, and DHP reprogram. Like new engine mounts, tranny cooler, etc.

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Free03GT
Im just going by what I have heard. Once I see it in HPP then I will def belieive it, but I tend to trust John (APoC) and what he says.
Jon

Believe it? I don't give a rat's arse what you believe ... what more do you need than dyno charts? They are on my site if you would take the time to look instead of sitting here nay-saying! Do a little research before you talk smack and don't believe everything you read in a magazine just because they charge you to subscribe. BTW, did HPP have dyno charts to prove it ... I highly doubt it! When they spend the money to run on a dyno and back up their claims, then I'll believe HPP! Until then, I have spent the money, done the work and PROVEN what you get from these mods.

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by dylantinc
Is there any precaution/necessary things i might need to look into when i get UIM/LIM/TB PnP work,Heads, Headers, and DHP reprogram. Like new engine mounts, tranny cooler, etc.

Both of those are a good safety net for you. Since the engine is seeing quite a bit more torque, the mount will help hold things in place. Even before I had the heads, I noticed my stock rubber mount was already ripping. With those mods, my engine is putting out around 245 ft-lbs of torque which exceeds the trans rating of 205! So, a trans cooler is a VERY WISE choice! ;)

[5-lO]

Originally posted by Craig99SE2
Believe it? I don't give a rat's arse what you believe ... what more do you need than dyno charts? They are on my site if you would take the time to look instead of sitting here nay-saying! Do a little research before you talk smack and don't believe everything you read in a magazine just because they charge you to subscribe. BTW, did HPP have dyno charts to prove it ... I highly doubt it! When they spend the money to run on a dyno and back up their claims, then I'll believe HPP! Until then, I have spent the money, done the work and PROVEN what you get from these mods.

Hey Im honestly not doubting you! I agree with you, thats why I said WHEN I SEE IT I will believe it. Right now thats what Im going by. In December they are supposed to have these numbers, and I will see then If they come in the form of dyno charts or not. Sorry If I came off as not believing you cuase thats not what I wanted to be like. And I also think the numbers you got were good, cause as you said it was across the entire band which is great. Again, sorry If I came off bad...

Jon

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Free03GT
Hey Im honestly not doubting you! I agree with you, thats why I said WHEN I SEE IT I will believe it. Right now thats what Im going by. In December they are supposed to have these numbers, and I will see then If they come in the form of dyno charts or not. Sorry If I came off as not believing you cuase thats not what I wanted to be like. And I also think the numbers you got were good, cause as you said it was across the entire band which is great. Again, sorry If I came off bad...

Jon

Ahhh ... now I see! I read it as in you won't believe my claims until you see them in HPP. I was like WTF??? ... what more proof do you need than dyno charts?

My bad ... I misinterpreted.

[5-lO]

Originally posted by Craig99SE2
Ahhh ... now I see! I read it as in you won't believe my claims until you see them in HPP. I was like WTF??? ... what more proof do you need than dyno charts?

My bad ... I misinterpreted.

No prob, its hard to tell what people mean through type :p. I completly agree with you and that dyno charts are the real proof. Thats why I want to see how HPP shows the results, Im hopinh dyno charts...

Jon