To those interested in Superchargers

[AMRAAM4]

OK, first let me state to the mods that I put this here because not many specifically look in the SC/N2O section.

Alright, I just wanted to make a little post regarding superchargers and obtaining one. Recently I have gotten an increase in PMs or emails asking me how much to purchase my SC, not to mention I know Irate will be selling his soon. In my replies I proceed to give them a rough estimate and they are NEVER heard from again.

Now, I understand a lot are tire kickers, and that is the main reason for this post. PEOPLE, please accept the fact that you ARE NOT going to get this modification for cheap...used or new!! I'll say it now...I am not parting with mine for less than $2500. You think that is unfair? OK, go buy one someplace else then for cheaper.

This mod is rare and expensive, please don't think about it unless you are planning to spend the money. If you think what I am asking or what Irate will be (I am sure more than me) is not worth it, then accept the fact you can't justify the price or straight up can't afford it. My SC has roughly 15k on it, which isn't much. I know turbo's that last 50k. This isn't really a mod that is worn down after 15k miles, plus it is difficult to find for cheaper than new.

I'm sure many are going to disagree with me and the other boost brothers as for what this is worth, etc., but the fact of the matter is that if you want it, you have to pay for it. $2500 is still half the price of a brand new RSM ($4700 + install or trip their for install).

This post isn't meant to be aggressive or belittling, just wanted to put it out there. If any of the other boost brothers have an opinion please chime in.

[Pucci]

Hey Bob,

After seeing your SC at Carlisle I wouldnt pay you 20 bucks. That is the most worn out looking piece of crap i have ever seen. I mean come on who is gonna believe that your SC is in good shape with how clean you keep your engine bay.

jk

People 2500 is a steal for his SC. He treats his car with major respect so I can vouch that it hasnt been beat on. He takes care of the engine. Don't be a wimp for shelling out 2500 or so. If I had the cash this post wouldnt even be here. The SC would have been on my car about 2 hours after he said it was for sale. So who ever is interested in the SC, talk to mom and dad or the bank and get a loan. Make your car look AND perform like it should.

Pucci

P.S. Bob CHROME wheels next time

[SPAZ]

I totally agreee with AMRAAM4.......Bob/Rob. I f you plan to keep your car no matter what, then you can't have a better mod than a factory produced GM kit (Eaton/Magnacharger) no offense to RSM, but GM's kit is the Original. This kit is well worth $2,500-$3,500 for the Real GA Enthusiest . People was more money per year on Beer, Cigarettes, or Drugs (just a point), and won't justify spending that much money on a Supercharger. I said it 3 years ago if you want it ....get it....Life is way to short, and you don't know what tomorrow will bring.

[AMRAAM4]

Thanks guy's. I just want to state I am not selling the SC, but if the deal came along and someone had cash in hand I would seriously consider it. Problem is my friend who is very mechanically savy wouldn't be able to remove it till September anyhow. He's a family man I would have to coherce into taking time outof his schedule on a weekend.

I had my fun with it and now need cash for a paint job on the RX7. I constantly think of putting it up for sale, but then I think otherwise because it really is a sweet mod. I've even thought of selling my ride and buying a new GA with the RSM installed and part of the payment. Tough situation to be in :D

Thanks for the props Pucci...hope things are going well for you. Polished wheels suck!! Wayne...I had you for 1/2 the track buddy!!:o

[pre_16365]

AMRAAM4, i would pay u 2500 for it in a heart beat. that is the super charger i really want!!

[jaketuff]

I myself find the SC more fun and more exciting than $3,000. It makes your GA 1 of 20 cars across the world.... The SC with the right PCM tuning puts our GAGT into the realm of many a V8's quarter mile. It turns the GAGT from a looker into a performer, and even sleeper. I would not part with mine for less than $3,000. It would be too much of a loss to sell for any less than that, and I would rather bolt it on my coffee table than let it go at such a price.

OUT

[AMRAAM4]

Originally posted by jaketuff
I myself find the SC more fun and more exciting than $3,000. It makes your GA 1 of 20 cars across the world.... The SC with the right PCM tuning puts our GAGT into the realm of many a V8's quarter mile. It turns the GAGT from a looker into a performer, and even sleeper. I would not part with mine for less than $3,000. It would be too much of a loss to sell for any less than that, and I would rather bolt it on my coffee table than let it go at such a price.

OUT

LMAO lol

OK, there is another way of viewing it.

[Schweppe23]

I'd have to agree with the rest of the boost brothers. This is a mod that is very rare....WHAT...1 of maybe 20 in the world. That right there should be an indication that this is worth a lot. Low supply and high demand equals a high price and its totally worth it in my opinion. If i could get my hands on one for less than the rsm kit i would jump on it. Those of you looking to get this mod at a deal....dont hold your breath. Monello with proper tuned pcm and e/m supercharger ran 14.3 on 18s:thumbs:
If you want to play you gotta pay!

My .02
Pat Lavanty

[kubiache]

I'll ask this publically because I'm sure this question has crossed the minds of other non-boost bros who have read this:

1. what is a typical install cost / is it something that a local boost bro could do on his own...for a price?

2. besides the computer tuning, what else besides the blower itself is needed mechanically to make an SC work in your car?

I WILL somehow find a way to be boosted by next summer (which probably means another credit card, and my wife not talking to me for the next year).

[GrandAmChick]

Just curious...would Bob's E/M fit a 2.4? I'm guessing not since RSM makes an entirely separate 1 for the 4 banger...few hundred $$ cheaper too.

[AMRAAM4]

Mel's ?
--No, not even close

Kuby ?
--I'd say it would cost at least $600, but good luck taking it to a shop and getting them to touch it. Probably would be more. I'd love to do the work, but I am not THAT skilled.

--Don't necessarily need a tuning, it will still work well. The tuning is to get the E/M to haul major ass.

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by kubiache
I'll ask this publically because I'm sure this question has crossed the minds of other non-boost bros who have read this:

1. what is a typical install cost / is it something that a local boost bro could do on his own...for a price?

2. besides the computer tuning, what else besides the blower itself is needed mechanically to make an SC work in your car?



For a person of average wrenching skill, it can be done yourself. The only difficulty was the lack of detailed instructions from Magnacharger. That is why all installers have so many questions to ask here. I am sure a local BB would help you install it. It would take about 12 hrs on average, if everything went pretty smoothly.

There is nothing needed aside from the SC to make the E/M kit work on your car. You also obviously need a well maintained, somewhat taken care of, and uncursed motor to really take advantage of the kit. It was meant to work with the stock PCM, and it will, but for optimal performance a DHP is necessary. It is taht simple to get the HP. The DHP/PCM tune is HIGHLY recommended.

JOUT

[kubiache]

Thanks, guys.

[PontiacGT2K]

Well I was saving to buy a bike, but seeing that superchargers are going up for sale...I'll be watching. September eh?

[5-lO]

Do all 14 of the E/M owners (or was it 10) Exist on this board? It sucks that there is only 10 E/Ms and lots of GAs to put them into.

[rodd62]

mel, gm has a kit for the 2.4 using the m45. i would think the 62 would be too big.

[PACE]

There have been more than 10 S/C sold for the 3400 application in the U.S.

Now the some of you have had your S/C's for a while I'm wondering how you feel about its effects on the 4T45E. We all saw Kman replace his and I'm just wondering how you think the E/M or RSM will affect the tranny after 20,000.......40,000........70,000 miles....?

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by ECAP
There have been more than 10 S/C sold for the 3400 application in the U.S.

Now the some of you have had your S/C's for a while I'm wondering how you feel about its effects on the 4T45E. We all saw Kman replace his and I'm just wondering how you think the E/M or RSM will affect the tranny after 20,000.......40,000........70,000 miles....?

Remember that Kman ran his car for a long time with 11-12psi of boost. At that rate the tranny was REALLY in question. I think he knew that very well. The car was pushing near 260lbs-ft.

The Kit, with the 4-6psi, it should be fine on the tranny for a LOT more miles. They put close to 80,000 miles on their test/R&D car at Magnacharger. That car ran a 14.9 (albeit at high altitude, and heat soaked) with no cool down at the track, and we all saw at GAP how heatsoak hurts performance on the SC'ed cars. They never changed the tranny and they drove the balls out of the car, burning it out a lot more than Kman or I have with ours. It was still running strong when it was hit in an accident and totalled. The Magnacharger car had no PCM work, it did have the TOG Headers way before they were ever released though.

With the DHP tune my tranny feels a TON better, and my performance has stepped up significantly as well.

No other turbo or SC kits have as much R&D as the Magnacharger Kit.

OUT

[PACE]

Thats cool.....I never knew that the Kman ws so boosted! Wow....12 psi is pretty strong! I wish I could buy one....but my wife would kill me with an ice pick (seriously).

Since were talking about superchargers....

It seems like the the E/M has had more R/D but the RSM seems to be putting down better numbers at the track....whats up with that?

*I have done very little research on s/c's since I have never really planned on buying one so maybe I'm wrong*

[MetaGTP1]

Originally posted by jaketuff
Remember that Kman ran his car for a long time with 11-12psi of boost. At that rate the tranny was REALLY in question. I think he knew that very well. The car was pushing near 260lbs-ft.

The Kit, with the 4-6psi, it should be fine on the tranny for a LOT more miles. They put close to 80,000 miles on their test/R&D car at Magnacharger. That car ran a 14.9 (albeit at high altitude, and heat soaked) with no cool down at the track, and we all saw at GAP how heatsoak hurts performance on the SC'ed cars. They never changed the tranny and they drove the balls out of the car, burning it out a lot more than Kman or I have with ours. It was still running strong when it was hit in an accident and totalled. The Magnacharger car had no PCM work, it did have the TOG Headers way before they were ever released though.

With the DHP tune my tranny feels a TON better, and my performance has stepped up significantly as well.

No other turbo or SC kits have as much R&D as the Magnacharger Kit.

OUT Yeah, the ride was doing 260 lb/ft of torque and I did not have a tranny cooler. The Magnacharger car never had the boost levels of my car. After installing the 2.5" pulley, the car was probably producing close to 275 lb/ft of torque. When I went to E-Town last November, on one run I spun the tires almost all of the 1st 60' and still came out with a 93 mph trap speed. I ran a 15.7 @ 93 mph. Now that is tranny-killing torque. :eek:

[MetaGTP1]

11 psi is a scary thing, without a tranny cooler. I was able to toast the tires at will. I think the car rebelled after that, because I have not seen that boost level again. I must say it was some rush, taking highway on-ramps. :eek:

[PontiacGT2K]

Lesson learned: Get a trans cooler! I'm really hoping you're cooling that thing now...and upping line pressure.

[MetaGTP1]

Originally posted by PontiacGT2K
Lesson learned: Get a trans cooler! I'm really hoping you're cooling that thing now...and upping line pressure. The line pressure was always up through my ASE chip and the tranny cooler was installed 2 days after the tranny was in. I have a Perma-Cool Tranny Cooler (18-20,000 GVW). ;)

[AaronGTR]

My supercharger will never be for sale. It's so intergrated with the rest of the car now (I've changed so many things to work with it) that it would be a major pain to return the car to stock! I may consider selling the entire car though if the price was right.

$35,000...solid.

That's what I paid for it.:cool:

[Knappy1]

Kman, what are you running for exhaust? You gotta release some of that back pressure. I'm running a 2.5" pulley w/ 5-6 psi with headers, highflow cat and SLP. Aren't most guys run 8-10 psi with a 2.5 and stock exhaust (except for a catback)? If you are getting 11-12 psi with a 2.5" pulley, you must have a banana shoved in your tail pile...lol :eek:
Rob

[5-lO]

He runs Borla. Dont you read HPP??? Haha

[Knappy1]

Sorry, I read it when I can find it...

[aleroboy]

325hp 328 ft/lbs at the crank
small tranny cooler and auto trans.
almost 60k tranny still holding.
car has seen nitrous before too.
I'm scared ****less to change my tranny fluid.
run it till it dies! I'm trying to save now for a built tranny

[ArcticWhiteSE]

Originally posted by aleroboy
325hp 328 ft/lbs at the crank
small tranny cooler and auto trans.
almost 60k tranny still holding.
car has seen nitrous before too.
I'm scared ****less to change my tranny fluid.
run it till it dies! I'm trying to save now for a built tranny

:boogie: HOLY BUFFALO BAGELS BATMAN!!!

I'm a fan of the 'run it till it dies' quote. I'm almost there, and I'm non boosted with a 2.4. (not all me though, my brother did a 2800 rpm neutral drop....):tool:

[kubiache]

HOLY OLD THREAD, BATMAN.

I seem to remember reading this one about 6 months ago.

[ND4SPDIII]

very interesting thread :thumbs:

[IrateSpeed6]

Geeze. I didn't even read this thread... must of missed it.

Oh, and Bob is right - superchargers rock. Breaking the tires loose and pouring off smoke at 25mph is fun. :D