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mshu7
09-15-2003, 07:29 AM
Here's an interesting article about the future of GM's mid-size vehicles...

GM Considers Global Family of RWD V-8's
Pontiac, Chevrolet would get mid-sized cars in three years

By Rick Kranz
Automotive News / September 15, 2003


FRANKFURT -- General Motors is expected to decide by year end whether to build a range of V-8 powered, rear-wheel-drive cars in North America.

One model could be exported to Europe for Opel, which displayed a concept version - dubbed the Insignia - at the Frankfurt auto show.

Hans Demant, vice president of engineering for General Motors Europe, said here last week that cars developed from the proposed architecture could be on the street in three years if the business case is approved.

"The next step is to say realistically, how much volume can we assume?" Demant said. "How would we do that vehicle? Where would we get the component sets? What would it look like, and where would we build it?"

The new mid-sized cars would meet growing demand for rwd cars in the United States. Under the plan, Chevrolet and Pontiac would get models in three years or so.

The proposal is part of GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz's efforts to get GM's global family to share product investments, components and vehicles.

For example, Holden - GM's Australian unit - is exporting the 2004 Pontiac GTO to the United States for sale around Dec. 1. Holden also developed the architecture for the Insignia, which features a version of the Chevrolet Corvette's 5.7-liter V-8. But the Insignia is not related to the Pontiac GTO.

Opel needs a strong replacement for its flagship sedan, the Omega. At the Frankfurt show, GM's European subsidiary tested press reaction to a possible replacement. Said Demant: "The car passed its first 'smell' test."

North America or Europe?

GM still is considering a host of issues. For example, the Opel Insignia could be assembled in North America - or Europe if Opel believes Insignia volume would be high enough.

The automaker must decide whether the architecture should be engineered for one wheelbase or several. GM also must determine how much sheet metal, if any, would be shared among the vehicles.

Lutz, vice chairman of product development, said the plan to provide cars for North America and Europe "would permit members of the GM family around the world to participate in the market for rear-wheel- and all-wheel-drive cars without having to make an investment that for themselves would be prohibitive."

Cars produced off the rwd architecture would be premium models but presumably slotted below Cadillac's rwd cars. The base price of the 2004 Cadillac CTS is $30,385.

GM's high-volume cars would continue to have front-wheel drive, Lutz said.

Combined world volume for the cars could be about 200,000 units.

Rear drive momentum

If GM approves Insignia assembly in the United States, the Opel vehicle would follow a pattern announced recently for Saab.

The 2006 Saab 9-7X SUV is being developed off the Chevrolet TrailBlazer platform. GM will assemble it in the United States and export some of them.

GM's enthusiasm for Insignia signals growing enthusiasm industrywide for rwd cars in the United States.

In 2004, for example, the Chrysler group will introduce a range of full-sized rwd Chrysler and Dodge cars.

Those vehicles will share transmissions and electrical architectures with the Mercedes-Benz E class. Chrysler plans to export some to Europe, starting in late 2004.

Also, Cadillac is expanding its new generation of rwd vehicles.

The Cadillac SRX sport wagon went on sale in August.

GM started shipping the Cadillac XLR two-seater to dealers two weeks ago.

badassgrandam99
09-15-2003, 08:21 AM
....sweet... this could be some good news!! ...wasn't that Chevrolet SS concept rear wheel drive?? ...how sweet would it be if GM made that car!!

Mike3800
09-16-2003, 04:20 PM
If they make some affordable RWD V8 cars... :thumbs:

Drew11
09-16-2003, 08:15 PM
Yeah if they went back to the Monte Carlo SS in RWD That would be awesome:thumbs: :thumbs: Hmm, maybe the Chevy Caprice will come back:D :D :D

jaredofsofl
09-19-2003, 11:39 AM
isnt the new bonniville gxp supposed to be rear wheel drive? or was that just a concept idea

Mike3800
09-19-2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by jaredofsofl
isnt the new bonniville gxp supposed to be rear wheel drive? or was that just a concept idea

Spoon?

fschambe
09-19-2003, 12:37 PM
Bring back the REAL IMPALA SS!!! LS1 RWD in a Sedan, I'd be lovin it!!! Funny how GM put so much into FWD now, they were working on 5 and 6 speed auto FWD trannies, and they're like "God damn, WTF is BMW thinking with all their RWD cars?!?!" well I guess GM's starting to get past the denial stage, I think a few year cadillac was FWD only company...

fschambe
09-19-2003, 12:41 PM
Here's a few snips from fordvschevy.com

GM: RWD V8's to Return in Force by 2006
Posted by Ed FvC on February 19, 2003 @ 7:49 pm [no comments]
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INTENSS writes:

CHICAGO - GM North America will develop a family of rear-drive cars with Holden Motor Ltd. in Australia, says Mark Hogan, GM group vice president for advanced vehicle development.

Some of the cars will be assembled in the United States and marketed by Chevrolet and Pontiac and will debut around 2007.

"Holden will be responsible for engineering (the architecture), and we are providing the management team with respect to the North American applications," Hogan says. "I have a group of guys at Holden as we speak working on the next generation for North America."

In the meantime, Pontiac will sell the V-8-powered 2004 Pontiac GTO coupe, which is built in Australia and based on the current-generation rwd Holden Monaro. The GTO goes on sale in November.

Powerful, rear-drive cars are making a comeback in the United States. Dodge, for example, will sell the Magnum, equipped with a 5.7-liter V-8, starting in spring 2004.

In January, a GM spokesman said Chevrolet would add a rwd car later in the decade but declined to be specific. It currently sells the rwd Corvette.

GM is developing most of its vehicle architectures for global applications. For example, GM's new mid-sized Epsilon architecture is shared by the 2003 Saab 9-3, Opel Vectra, 2004 Chevrolet Malibu and Malibu Maxx, and the 2005 Pontiac Grand Am.

In GM parlance, an architecture includes common components, build sequence, range of dimensions and connecting points between subsystems.

Hogan says the new rwd architecture developed with Holden will be able to produce various models, as the current architecture does.

-Rich


It's Official! RWD V8 Monte Carlo SS and Impala SS for 2006
Posted by INTENSS on February 12, 2003 @ 12:16 pm [no comments]
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Bob Lutz announced today that in 2006 Chevy will deliver RWD V8 performance with the Monte Carlo SS and the Impala SS. No price tag or engine/power information is available at this time. However, a total redesign will also be in order to correspond with the new engines and drivetrain components.

In the meant time, the 2004 supercharged Monte Carlo SS and Impala SS are being unveiled at the Chicago Auto Show with 240 blown hp each. Nothing too devasting by today's standards, but it gets the division moving in the right direction. 2004 Monte and Impy SS's also get suspension upgrades with shorter ride heights, stiffened springs, larger sway bars, and strut tower braces - standard on SS models.

No other news yet from Chicago - but expect a special edition last year C5 to be unveiled.....think "Grand Sport in 96."


Power to the GTO: Goat to Get 2 Engine Choices
Posted by INTENSS on December 4, 2002 @ 9:43 pm [no comments]
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GM big kahuna Bob Lutz recently stated that the 2004 Pontiac GTO will have 2 engine choices; an LS1 with "360+ hp" and a "405+ hp LS6." Very nice indeed.

Also...while 18,000 Holden GTO's will make their way to American soil in 2004, 30,000 Holdens are making their way to the states the following year. Simply a bump in production? Or maybe the Utes are making their way over as El Caminos? FvC will keep you updated as information leaks out.


Bob Lutz says: Pontiac Solstice a GO in 2005
Posted by INTENSS on December 4, 2002 @ 9:39 pm [no comments]
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General Motors guru Robert Lutz announced at a recent low-key speech that he has confirmed production of the 2005 Pontiac Solstice. It has been reported that he said the car would use a roadster platform shared across several brands.

Look for the production vehicle to remain as true to the original concept as GM can. A T-56 and 240 hp supercharged Ecotech are rumored to be included in the top trim of the vehicle with a normally aspirated 5 speed version carrying the bottom of the lineup. The current plan is to keep weight under 3000lbs, however the T-56 in the supercharged model will make that a challenge. Expect prices to range from around $20,000 base to approaching $30,000 for a supercharged model.

Thanks to GMInsideNews for the scoop

fschambe
09-19-2003, 12:42 PM
OMG HAS ANYONE HEARD OF A GRAND AM GXP?!?! http://fordvschevy.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25853 has pix of the GXP family

"Lynn Myers, Pontiac general manager, said models like the 275-horsepower Grand Am GXP could lure the performance buffs that have largely turned their back on Pontiac. "