View Full Version : Impreza Redesign
ScarySquirrel
09-30-2002, 08:16 AM
Well, I know there's a few other fans of the WRX here. So, I figured I'd post these pics I found while browsing the internet the other day. Enjoy, folks.
http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/176507.jpg
http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/176443.jpg
http://www.swrt.com/cpimages/176200.jpg
Click this link (http://www.swrt.com/74331.html) for access to all the pics, and a few others, in both low-res (the ones I posted) and hi-res.
koolZ71
09-30-2002, 12:57 PM
hell yeah...the WRX rules lol...looks much better without the buggy lights
night_rida00
09-30-2002, 01:03 PM
eh, not a fan of gold rims. But this car isnt for show, whats the 1/4 time?
koolZ71
09-30-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by night_rida00
eh, not a fan of gold rims. But this car isnt for show, whats the 1/4 time?
well i cant think of the quarter time but i know the 0-60 time is 5.6 seconds stock:)
mfuller
09-30-2002, 01:33 PM
Aahh....the new WRC car for Subaru. The front end is much friendlier I think. In race tune, they pump out anywhere from 350-400HP. If they can get traction, they'll hit 60 in under 4 seconds. :eek:
koolZ71
09-30-2002, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by mfuller
Aahh....the new WRC car for Subaru. The front end is much friendlier I think. In race tune, they pump out anywhere from 350-400HP. If they can get traction, they'll hit 60 in under 4 seconds. :eek:
yeah no kidding and not bad for basically 24k:)
Mike3800
09-30-2002, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by koolgt
yeah no kidding and not bad for basically 24k:)
The STi being talking about will not be 24K.
koolZ71
09-30-2002, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Mike3800
The STi being talking about will not be 24K.
i know that:) but to get 227 hp awd and a 4 cylinder turbo for 24 isnt bad...the sti from what i heard is around 28 but not sure of the price but im sure it will still be worth everypenny
zoran316
09-30-2002, 02:05 PM
i think the 1/4 mile stock is in low 14's high 13's if i'm not mistaken.
CaCathy13
09-30-2002, 02:36 PM
When is this redesign going to take effect??!!
I am thinking of buying a WRX next year...and get a 2004. I love the style as it is now...and I really like the "buggy" lights which (I think) set it apart from other imports...these rounded curved lights remind me of a civic.
If this is the way it is going to look for 2004, I'm gonna hafta buy something else...bah!! Cuz I don't like this too much...and on another note, would it kill Subaru to get a few more different colors for the car? Black, white, red, blue, and yellow just seem too plain...even though I have my plans on yellow. I wouldn't mind a metallic something or other...:rolleyes:
VTECSiGAH8R
09-30-2002, 02:50 PM
Wow, that has to be one of the first postitive arguments I've heard about the buggy eyed lights, but to each their own. I like the redesign tho cuz it does make improvements on the lights and it still looks way more unique than any other import on the road. But Something about the back lights seems weird. If that thing had Skyline lights in the back or something similar, I think it would be the complete package.
CaCathy13
09-30-2002, 03:05 PM
Well I can see from the profile of the car that the new lights make it look more rounded and sleeker when you look at the side...but I still don't like the lights head on. I agree with the taillights though...something kinda odd about them. But hey, I will still prolly buy the thing. (Unless I fall in love with the new GTP...and I'm still fond of the new Altima. But I have a year before I decide something...):p
ScarySquirrel
09-30-2002, 06:07 PM
The headlights kind of remind me of the Hyundai Elantra...
Faylix
09-30-2002, 06:14 PM
I'm pretty sure thats the car I was watching on the WRC, on speedvision...
I remember the "555" on the side.
maxima = 255hp....
LOL!!!!!!!
Mike Reyna
09-30-2002, 07:58 PM
I actually have gotten used to the "buggy" headlights. I just wish they made a 2 door WRX...that would rock!
I agree though the new design looks much better though. Oh and the STi version.. WOW!
ScarySquirrel
10-01-2002, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Faylix
I'm pretty sure thats the car I was watching on the WRC, on speedvision...
I remember the "555" on the side.
All of the Subaru WRC cars have the 555 logo on the side. Well... for as long as Subaru has had the 555 sponsor, that is.
CaCathy13
10-01-2002, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Mike Reyna
I actually have gotten used to the "buggy" headlights. I just wish they made a 2 door WRX...that would rock!
I agree though the new design looks much better though. Oh and the STi version.. WOW!
Does Subaru even make 2 door vehicles? I don't think I've even seen one before. I think they're strictly 4 door and wagon makers, but I could be wrong. I dunno why they wouldn't have a 2 door WRX...I agree a coupe would be very cool!!
peeps
10-01-2002, 12:15 PM
They made one several years back called the SVX or something. It was a sport coupe with those strange half-windows...
koolZ71
10-01-2002, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by peeps
They made one several years back called the SVX or something. It was a sport coupe with those strange half-windows...
yup made them from 1992 to 1997 sweet cars
VTECSiGAH8R
10-01-2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by koolgt
yup made them from 1992 to 1997 sweet cars
Looks kinda ugly to me actually.
Thier redesigning it is because even though the design is popular here, across the pond nobody else likes it and its sales is really suffering right now because of it, thus the change.
Well to me it looks better, think they also redesigned it a bit because alot of the WRC guys driving the current WRX in the championship don't like it for various reasons, Subaru is only 3rd (out of 5) in the manufactors championship, behind Peugeot and Ford. Something Subaru wants to fix next year.
Hehe, I watch and read a ton of motorsports stuff.:cool:
That one you see on this thread makes 300hp, thats the limit for WRC cars. Top speed can range from as low 110mph-150mph on that car since its not a true STi, its special made for rally use, the STi makes 276hp in Japan and will top out at 145mph. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds and 1/4 in mid-high 13's.
Most likely the one we will get (STi) will have 265hp(less hp in CA for smog reasons), be priced at just under or at 30 thousand dollars, and might have to gain a bit of weight in the form of more heavy duty bumpers to pass US crash tests better.
stanjk3
10-15-2002, 10:14 PM
Actually 300hp is the most they can say the WRC version has, similar to how Japan has laws that limit your max stated hp to ~276. Realistically it's more like 325-350hp. I believe they have a restrictor plate, otherwise they would probably push closer to 400hp. Tourque is supposedly ~375-400 ft/lbs. They rarely go much above 120mph, so acceleration is more important than top speed.
It's gonna be tougher for Subaru to do well next season with Citroen running the full year. They are real fast on tarmac, so someone besides Gil Panizzi can win a tarmac event. Subaru also needs a good 3rd driver, and for Tommi Makinen to finish more than 3 rallies.
Plus the top teams are expected to be
Peugeot, Citroen, and Ford in that order since McC. is switching to Citroen for next year. One team that should just drop is the Mitsu team. They are running a full year and have as many manufactors points as teams that are not running a full year, the've lost there main sponsor to Peugeot and even the drivers of the new Evo are complaining that the car is not compititive compared to the others. Mistu. should take a year off and figure out how to get back in the mix of things.
Originally posted by CaCathy13
Does Subaru even make 2 door vehicles? I don't think I've even seen one before. I think they're strictly 4 door and wagon makers, but I could be wrong. I dunno why they wouldn't have a 2 door WRX...I agree a coupe would be very cool!!
The Impreza 2.5RS (previous generation) came in a 2 door version. When they restyled it and came out with the WRX, they axed the coupe. Why? I guess the automotive world think we don't want powerful coupes anymore.....
http://photoserver1.trader.ca/autotrader/photos/large/2002/10-04/wzx/10-04-02wzx01-05.jpeg
Krazy
10-20-2002, 12:08 AM
I like the look of the sti and I hope it will be able to compare in the power department with the Evo VIII. But the spy pics are growing on me. ( http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6683 )
Supposedly the US-Spec Evo will have 265-270hp... (info here: http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8409 )
Mike3800
10-30-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by WOLF
300hp, thats the limit for WRC cars.
Where did you find that info? The 2.0 in the WRC Hyundai Accent makes nearly 400HP.
Do Ya!
Limit is 300bhp for WRC cars. Look it up on their website too.
Better yet, I've give you bloodly link that has all the info to the car.
http://www.hyundaiwrc.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/car.view/cfid/3695806/cftoken/98791877
(now be a good lad, and click the "i" on the left side of the hood)
Ha! Getting surprised at the amount dumb claims on this board. Thought you people knew more. Theres even forums where you can talk to people about the WRC rally stuff and they will tell you the same.:rolleyes: And this coming from the same person the claims GA's didn't deserve the best entry level midsize car award for reliablity and owners comments. Start reading your info more buddy, then you can shoot your mouth off. *yawns*
Mike3800
11-01-2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by WOLF
Start reading your info more buddy, then you can shoot your mouth off. *yawns*
Did ya see the question mark assshole? I asked a question, YOU need to worry about shooting your mouth off cause you are making yourself look like an ass.
Here ya go assshole, this is the car I was thinking of.... and I know I have seen the Accent with over 300HP in some type of RALLY racing. Guess I am a dummmy cause I mistook WRC for a different type of RALLY racing. I am not a bubbling fountain of information like you.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/news/motorCar.html
stanjk3
11-03-2002, 10:23 PM
No, as I said above, the highest they can state is 300hp. In reality it's closer to 315-325.
I was watching the Rally of Australia last night and Nicky Grist, Colin MCrae's former co-driver, was co-hosting. He said that hp is what I stated, and limited by a restrictor plate. Thing is it actually increases touque a little, which in the Peugot 206 is an amazing 580 ft/lbs!!!! :eek:
Mike3800
11-04-2002, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by stanjk3
No, as I said above, the highest they can state is 300hp. In reality it's closer to 315-325.
I was watching the Rally of Australia last night and Nicky Grist, Colin MCrae's former co-driver, was co-hosting. He said that hp is what I stated, and limited by a restrictor plate. Thing is it actually increases touque a little, which in the Peugot 206 is an amazing 580 ft/lbs!!!! :eek:
True for WRC. Click the link below.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/news/motorCar.html
Mike3800
11-04-2002, 11:24 AM
Off topic.
My sincere apology to Wolf.
Granted it was true there are Rally Hyundai's with close to and over 400HP (not WRC) on the 2.0 4cyl engine still I should have been nicer about my reply.
One strange thing about Hyd.'s I just found out today. Their listed hp for the regular autos they sell are actually lower than they list. Anybody else read about this. Still like their cars though.
As for the WRX, man I wish the car was bigger. Then I would be a bit interested. Same goes for the Lancer Evo, driven one and its nice, but not THAT great. Take a Sunfire, drop a massive turbo in there, replace the wheels for better traction and stiff-up the sus. and you have the same type of car. aka turbo neon that will run with a WRX for almost 4grand less when it comes out(only .1tenth slower than the WRX in the 1/4 mile).
One car I would love to drive is a rally version of the Ford Puma, that thing is cool and looks alot better than a Ford Focus.
Mike3800
11-06-2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by WOLF
One strange thing about Hyd.'s I just found out today. Their listed hp for the regular autos they sell are actually lower than they list. Anybody else read about this. Still like their cars though.
Yep. Elantra has 136HP and Tiburon has 170HP with the V6 and 134HP with the 4cyl (same engine as Elantra but different HP). Still the performance numbers are the same 15.1 in the 1/4 for the Tiburon GT 6-speed and 8.0 to 60 and 16.3 in the 1/4 for the Elantra. The new Elantra Brochure no longer lists the HP, just the 133Ft.Lbs. of torque.
VTECSiGAH8R
11-06-2002, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Mike3800
Yep. Elantra has 136HP and Tiburon has 170HP with the V6 and 134HP with the 4cyl (same engine as Elantra but different HP). Still the performance numbers are the same 15.1 in the 1/4 for the Tiburon GT 6-speed and 8.0 to 60 and 16.3 in the 1/4 for the Elantra. The new Elantra Brochure no longer lists the HP, just the 133Ft.Lbs. of torque.
I think he is talking about Hyundai overrating their hp in all their engines, not just rating the same one different officially for different car models but actually claiming a certain hp, but producing a lot less than that. I remember some report stating that they overrated their engines officially too.
Faylix
11-07-2002, 11:02 PM
Heh, my friend of a friend has a 2003 WRX with a front mount intercooler stickin out the front..
I saw him comin up behind me one day, and the first thing I see is this huge intercooler that says "GREDDY" on it..
well, what ended up happening was he flew past me, and started showin off his blow-off valve.... bastard.. he's makin over 300 hp at the wheels somehow.
Mike3800
11-08-2002, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
I think he is talking about Hyundai overrating their hp in all their engines, not just rating the same one different officially for different car models but actually claiming a certain hp, but producing a lot less than that. I remember some report stating that they overrated their engines officially too.
I know what he is talking about. Hyundai doesn't overrate anymore, they blew the whistle on themselves.
Elantra was advertised at 140HP, it's really 136HP.
Tiburon GTV6 was advertised at 181HP, it's really 170HP
SantaFe was advertisec at 181HP, it's really 170HP
Sonata was advertised at 181HP, it's really 170HP.
According to Hyundai this was an error in communication between marketing and engineering. Hyundai is compensating all owners with an extended warranty.
They both have had problems in the past with hp #'s. Mazda with the MX-5 and Ford with the 1999 Cobra. Neither of which mentioned it till the whistle was blown by either a auto mag. or customers unhappy with what they found out on a dyno-jet.
To me that makes the Tiburon even more amazing to me, 6-speed 0-60 times in 7 flat with 11 less hp than stated in the mags. In comparison, the Nissan Sentra SE-R makes 175hp, weights 200lbs less, 6-speed, and is still slower than the Tibby by about .25 0-60 and even more in the 1/4mile. O_o Come on you have to give the Tiburon some credit for that.
Mike3800
11-11-2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by WOLF
In comparison, the Nissan Sentra SE-R makes 175hp, weights 200lbs less, 6-speed, and is still slower than the Tibby by about .25 0-60 and even more in the 1/4mile. O_o Come on you have to give the Tiburon some credit for that.
The new Tiburon is alot of car for a little $$. I like it. :thumbs:
VTECSiGAH8R
11-11-2002, 12:42 PM
Yeah, well when we went to the car show we really liked how nice the Tiburon looks and it has some good performance, so we got in the car to check it out. I'm sorry, but that was about the crappiest most uncomfortable interior I have ever sat in. The seats were rock hard, the interior was too small, everything felt cheezy. I would not buy that car because of that.
Sorry_Officer
11-11-2002, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
Wow, that has to be one of the first postitive arguments I've heard about the buggy eyed lights, but to each their own. I like the redesign tho cuz it does make improvements on the lights and it still looks way more unique than any other import on the road. But Something about the back lights seems weird. If that thing had Skyline lights in the back or something similar, I think it would be the complete package.
I also love the buggy lights especially on a silver WRX with the black JDM version buggy lights and grill:wow:
Mike3800
11-11-2002, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
Yeah, well when we went to the car show we really liked how nice the Tiburon looks and it has some good performance, so we got in the car to check it out. I'm sorry, but that was about the crappiest most uncomfortable interior I have ever sat in. The seats were rock hard, the interior was too small, everything felt cheezy. I would not buy that car because of that.
My friend and I have test driven the car and were very impressed. The intorior was alot better than the Grand Am and alot of other compact performance oriented cars.
The short throw shifter was very nice, the road feel was great, acceleration was impressive as was the tight gear spacing, I thought the seats were very comforatable and it was certainly more roomy than my GA. I also liked the standard Infinity factory radio with the real sub-woofer, impressive for factory audio.
Everyone is intitled to their own opinon.
Stereo was a big plus to me too. Plus the overall options list was very nice like if you have a family member that doesn't know how to use a man. you can opt. for the auto, with 4-speed semi auto to atleast have some control over the gears and the car. Seats are a bit hard but thats the way any sports car I've driven, even Lambo. feels. It's all about the right support rather than lux. heated seats in those types of cars, alot of racing seats are alot worse. And I guess you never driven the Ford Focus, the worst front seats in any car I have ever sat in.
Biggest plus to me is the styling itself. To me, a car is a failure design wise (since I'm a artist) if you go and plaster a bunch of aftermarket body crap on a car. Look at the Viper, Corvette, 911 Turbo, Diablo, Speed 6, Skyline GT-R, MC. F1, and any Ferrari. They don't have people putting tacky body add-ons to the car because the car looks great as is. It hurts me when I see cars like that even slightly touched because the car designer himself spent alot of time and effort into creating a car that people will like. If I was a car designer I would feel disrespected if somebody did that to a car because I would feel I didn't do a good enough job.
Eh, crap. Getting way off topic. We are discussing the WRX rally car not the Tib. Well as far as the WRX, its a nice car, but it just doesn't suit me personally. A great car for the cash, and I've driven one but there is just some things I don't like about it. One problem for me is the size of the car, great for rallies, not for long trips. Plus the interior needs some spice, to bland and boring for the car it really is.
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