Coilovers for N-Body

[AnderbrA]

I have found a company that is willing to manufacture coilovers for n-body's ie: alero, ga, malibu etc. They are the same quality as the Bilstein ones you can get on mantapart, but are cheaper.
Check out my threads on
N-BODY.NET (http://www.n-body.net/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=1342&forum=6&3)
and on
ALEROMOD.COM (http://www.aleromod.com/subdomains/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1263)

[AnderbrA]

If we can get 3 or more orders they will give us a discount, we already have 1 order, so we only need 2 more to get the discount, which will save about 200 of the retail price for all 4 corners.

[Watch4MyBu]

What would the price be without the discount

[AnderbrA]

hey joe. w/o discount, they are going to be 309 each assembly. which will be a little over 1200 all 4 corners. These are simple bolt on applications. Take the stock strut assembly off and put the new one on, best of all, turnaround time is 1 week.

[Watch4MyBu]

now is it just a sleeve and collar setup like the ground controls or is it actually a hi performance strut like the bilsteins

[AnderbrA]

This would be the entire strut assembly just like bilstein, if you follow my n-body thread there is a picture similar to what it would look like.

[AnderbrA]

heres the pic.
copy and paste in your browser

abconsulting.150m.com/images/coilover.JPG

[grass]

abconsulting.150m.com/images/coilover.JPG

quicker then copy / paste

[AaronGTR]

I want to know if they have adjustable shock valving as well. If you're gonna spend big money for coilovers you might as well get the best. Adjustable dampening is a big improvement with coilovers and makes a big impact on handling.

[Watch4MyBu]

I don't believe they do. That is why I was considering getting just the sleve and collar kit for height adjustment and using eibach springs and then having truechoice build me a set of custom adjustable koni struts

[mfuller]

Originally posted by AaronGTR
I want to know if they have adjustable shock valving as well. If you're gonna spend big money for coilovers you might as well get the best. Adjustable dampening is a big improvement with coilovers and makes a big impact on handling.
I agree with adjustable damping being important, but there are two big benefits to having coilovers - ride height adjustability and the ability to corner-weight the car.
Adjustable ride height is nice because you can loiwer the roll center of the car, which makes the vehicle more stable and lean less in the turns. There is also an aerodynamic benefit, but I doubt you'll realize a bunch on these cars.
Corner-weighting is huge. You place a scale under each of the 4 wheels. With 1/2 a tank of fuel, you can adjust the springs to make sure the car is balanced from side to side. Also, you can lower one end more than the other, changing how the car distributes it's weight - for instance, I will lower the back of my car more than the front, so the load is carried more evenly and both ends of the car are doing an equal amount of work, maximizing traction.

[AnderbrA]

you can get the adjustable struts, they are made by koni, so mfuller, you should have more experience with them, heres what he told me.

All components I quoted you a price on are made by Carrera, except for the adjustable struts, they are made by Koni.

In your application you do not need adjustable struts. They are only used by road racing cars or oval track cars to improve the handling of the chassis.

Sincerely,

Steve

[AnderbrA]

Originally posted by AnderbrA
heres the pic.
copy and paste in your browser

abconsulting.150m.com/images/coilover.JPG

you need to copy and paste, because you get a hotlinking error if you just create a link.

[grass]

the link i created works fine on my computer

[mfuller]

Originally posted by AnderbrA
you can get the adjustable struts, they are made by koni, so mfuller, you should have more experience with them, heres what he told me.

All components I quoted you a price on are made by Carrera, except for the adjustable struts, they are made by Koni.

In your application you do not need adjustable struts. They are only used by road racing cars or oval track cars to improve the handling of the chassis.

Sincerely,

Steve

Cool. Carrera dampers are actually quite good, and a favorite among Saturn autocrossers and road racers.
Most people don't need adjustable dampers (and to be honest, it can be very time consuming and a real pain to get them set up right) but like everything else, they have their place.

[Molson]

Originally posted by mfuller

I agree with adjustable damping being important, but there are two big benefits to having coilovers - ride height adjustability and the ability to corner-weight the car.
Adjustable ride height is nice because you can loiwer the roll center of the car, which makes the vehicle more stable and lean less in the turns. There is also an aerodynamic benefit, but I doubt you'll realize a bunch on these cars.
Corner-weighting is huge. You place a scale under each of the 4 wheels. With 1/2 a tank of fuel, you can adjust the springs to make sure the car is balanced from side to side. Also, you can lower one end more than the other, changing how the car distributes it's weight - for instance, I will lower the back of my car more than the front, so the load is carried more evenly and both ends of the car are doing an equal amount of work, maximizing traction.

I know ALL about that. We have a set of car scales, we run 55% left side weight, 50% rear and about a 47% wedge. (Cross) makes a BIG difference in cornering.

[AnderbrA]

MFULLER, because you seem the best with the suspension, what other types of questions should i ask him or what other info do you need?

[Watch4MyBu]

I just got an e-mail back from truechoice. Phase two is about 2ooo while phase three would be about 2700. The most I would need is phase two. I think that is who I am going with

[mfuller]

Originally posted by joefish2002
I just got an e-mail back from truechoice. Phase two is about 2ooo while phase three would be about 2700. The most I would need is phase two. I think that is who I am going with
Phase two is what most people go for - rebound-adjustable Koni struts with a coil-over kit using Eibach Race Springs.
Mine will be equivalent to phase 3 - the differences being the piston shafts are shortened so bump travel is preserved, and adjustable compression damping. Not terrible prices when you consider this is all custom stuff. :thumbs:

[mfuller]

Originally posted by AnderbrA
MFULLER, because you seem the best with the suspension, what other types of questions should i ask him or what other info do you need?
There's really not a whole lot to it. Find out if they use stock mounting methods and locations. Ask if the dampers are valved to match the springs, and what spring rates are available - I'd probably say no more than 300# springs up front and 200# in back, unless you are racing (either road racing or autocross). Anyone who gets coilovers really owe it to themselves to get the car corner-weighted for maximum benefit.

[AaronGTR]

That's what I want. Fully adjustable coilovers! I basically want a road going race car.:D

Gimme some camber plates while your at it.

[Watch4MyBu]

camber plates would be great

[grass]

whats a camber plate?

also how do these things work? do u adjust them with a wrench or are they automatic? i've never used/seen them b4

[mfuller]

Originally posted by AaronGTR
That's what I want. Fully adjustable coilovers! I basically want a road going race car.:D

Gimme some camber plates while your at it.
Actually, K-Mac makes an adjustable castor/camber mount for the front of 3-series BMW's that just might work on all 4 corners for us. I'm having Truechoice look into it when I send my Koni's there in a month or so. Here's what they look like:

https://secure.vbcomm.net/storephotos/192016-192416-PLUS.jpg

Basically, they allow you to adjust the camber and castor of each wheel independantly to maximize handling.

[Watch4MyBu]

yeah I was wondering if truechoice could hook us up.. Lsstly I need to know how I find out which bolt parttern the rear struts on my malibu has. Is is the 61 or 81 mm spacing. Help me.. Ned to get the cores to truechoice

[ryangagt]

hopefully this isnt a dumb question but here goes....
from what i think ive read here and through other posts, is it possible to get a set of say H&R's and then buy adjustable struts and be able to adjust your ride height? because i like the idea of coilovers having an adjustable ride height (dropping it up to like 4 inches) but coilovers a real expensive and im really just looking for the big drop and then the ability to raise it up for winter and the snow.

ryan

[AnderbrA]

Alright, i got prices on the adjustable struts.

Single adjustable is $188.67 ea.and the double adjustable is $268.50 ea.

this is greek to me, mfuller, what is single adjustable and double adjustable?

he did say that these are simple bolt on applications so im assuming that means they are going to use the stock mounts, but i am verifying that now. I am also asking him about everything that mfuller addressed above as well as the camber/castor mounts.
let me know if you have any other questions to address.

Bryce

[mfuller]

Originally posted by AnderbrA
Alright, i got prices on the adjustable struts.

Single adjustable is $188.67 ea.and the double adjustable is $268.50 ea.

this is greek to me, mfuller, what is single adjustable and double adjustable?

Bryce
Good prices, if those are for complete strut assemblies, and not just inserts. Example: each of my Koni inserts cost $239.00, so multiply that by 4, and then add labor to build them into the strut bodies - my entire bill came to over $1500.00. If this company is offering a bolt-on double-adjustable strut assembly for $268.50 I'll really look like a fool.

Anyway, adjustable means the user can adjust the compression and/or rebound damping of the strut (or shock). Damping is how the strut controls the oscillation of the spring. Single adjustable usually mean you can only adjust rebound damping; double adjustable means both compression and rebound dsamping are adjustable.
Anyway, damping adjustments are used to fine-tune the handling of a vehicle. You can read up on Koni's recommendations for setting damping here (http://www.koni-na.com/roadracing.html).

[AaronGTR]

mfuller you are the MAN!:D If you could find adjustable coilovers for us and find camber plates that will work, that would be so awesome. I bow down to the suspension guru.:thumbs:


Now we just need to find polyurethane bushings and engine mounts (heh heh);) .

[Tweeter]

Man that looks good, Keep us informed, I could use These for my car. I need to know spring rates. This would be a good off season mod before next years racing. Plus the Camber plates would be cool. I would like to get som negtive camber on the front at less if not on all four corners. Good work on fineding all of this out.

[AnderbrA]

Good news guys.....

Yes, these use stock mounting locations. Yes, the cartridges are matched to the spring rate. Any spring rate is available in 25 lb increments. The coil overs are adjusted by hand by jacking the frame up unloading the spring and turning the adjusting nut by hand. Or if you prefer we offer a spanner wrench to adjust the coil over (price is $18.50).
Yes we also make caster/camber plates.

[Watch4MyBu]

this all sounds very promising. Lets get the ball rolling

[AnderbrA]

Matt, could you make this sticky or something so we can get this started?

[Watch4MyBu]

Hey Anderbra we need to get this started because I need suspension work bad. If this doesn't happen in the next few weeks I might have to go with truechoice

[AnderbrA]

Joe, we can get this taken care of now, but it would be full price, there would be no discount, the only reason i wanted to wait was to get the discount, but if you want to go ahead with it now thats up to you.

[Watch4MyBu]

Give me the pricing for everything again. Iwant the full treatment...koni adjustables and all

[AnderbrA]

Give me everything that you want and ill get a quote.
What spring rates etc.

[AnderbrA]

You are going to be looking at at least 1200, that would be the coilovers and strut assembly just like bilstein, adjustables would be more but to get an accurate $ amt i need to know what exactly you want, such as single adjustable, double adjustable etc.

[Watch4MyBu]

what does the maximum price include because I want the top of the line with the koni double adjustable struts as well as ride height adjustment

[Dr_Kyle]

Originally posted by AaronGTR
Now we just need to find polyurethane bushings and engine mounts (heh heh);) .

I'm pretty sure you can get poly engine mounts from RSM.

[AnderbrA]

Just some info on the company.

Over the years automotive manufacturers have produced many different strut and shock designs, making it difficult to purchase true high-quality racing suspensions without custom-fitting each piece in your shop. That was then, this is now. Our focus is on specialty shocks and related components, including but not limited to road race and high-performance street shocks and struts. We will design and manufacture custom products to order guaranteeing fit and function. No job is too small or too big. We are located adjacent to the Carrera Factory in Atlanta, Georgia, and in Charlotte, NC., the stock car capital of the world. Providing the industry with innovation in the design and manufacture of quality, custom high performance shocks for everything from Hi-Tech to Vintage race cars. We provide those hard to find parts to install your Carrera shocks. as well as custom and specialty parts made to order.

[GrandAmSC/T]

Hey you cant advertise your coilovers on this site unless you pay a ADVERTISING FEE.. the other coilover thread got deleted, So i dont see how you can be advertising these and getting away with it.

BTW for those of you that dont know dragginbody365 is selling adjustable coilovers for 250 shipped to your door. He can custom make some for racing, cross, etc as well. If ur wanting eibachs, H&R's, monroe, KYB, etc I belive he said he could use that stuff as well if you wanted it but it would be extra, but still cheaper than what this company is advertising. 1200 bucks is stupid for adjustable coilovers hell for that you can get a full air ride setup. just my opinion though.

[AnderbrA]

Originally posted by GrandAmSC/T
Hey you cant advertise your coilovers on this site unless you pay a ADVERTISING FEE.. the other coilover thread got deleted, So i dont see how you can be advertising these and getting away with it.

BTW for those of you that dont know dragginbody365 is selling adjustable coilovers for 250 shipped to your door. He can custom make some for racing, cross, etc as well. If ur wanting eibachs, H&R's, monroe, KYB, etc I belive he said he could use that stuff as well if you wanted it but it would be extra, but still cheaper than what this company is advertising. 1200 bucks is stupid for adjustable coilovers hell for that you can get a full air ride setup. just my opinion though.

FYI i am not advertising anything, i am simply letting people know that there are other options out there, Did i say, hey ill sell you these coilovers for 1200 bucks.. I didnt think so, so please dont give me a hard time about it or critisize what i am doing.
BTW, those coilovers that draggin made are not necessarily performance suspension, they are just coilover sleeves just like you can buy on ebay for 150 bucks, dont get me wrong i definately give props to draggin and he knows that, its excellent that he was able to get that done, but those are not going to be very good for auto-x etc. They would be more for show than performance, also just as they stated in the trial, they are bouncy, that would be because the springs are too short and stiff, if you look at my threads for these coilovers, they are HIGH PERFORMANCE strut assemblies and COILOVERS, they are used for perfessional racing/auto-x/etc. look at their website, why do you thing Bilstein coilovers are so expensive...Because they are made correctly and made to perform. Also why would you compare air ride to coilover suspension?? I'd like to see you do a little auto-xing with air ride suspension!! haa that would be fun to see. Also compare.....is there a reason for the $ difference...

1) Real Coilovers (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1868186397)

2) Cheap Coilovers (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1868101841)

There is a obvious reason for the price difference.

Ask anyone who is knowledgeable with suspension components, such as Matt Fuller and they will tell you why there is a price difference...Also, why do you think Matt put so much money into his suspension. Hell, he could have bought a full air-ride suspension system for a hell of a lot less.....hmm, you think maybe he had his reasons? Anyways, im done with my chant, also anyone who is actually interested in these components, check out my threads for more information, and if for some reason this thread disappears and things dont go through you can blame jackasses like this. :mad:

[cavingman]

gouchburnack
huh?

[GrandAmSC/T]

Edited for content: Play nice, fellas. - Matt


yeah this thread should disappear, the last one disappeared to be FAIR, now to be FAIR to the last poor guy tryin to help us out this one should vanish as well until you pay your fees.

[cavingman]

yeah this thread should disappear, the last one disappeared to be FAIR, now to be FAIR to the last poor guy tryin to help us out this one should vanish as well until you pay your fees.

He isnt makin a profit, so he doesnt need to pay fee's. He's letting everyone know about another company that can help us. Thats like saying I need to pay to say streetglow is the best neon company ever.

[Watch4MyBu]

I have to agree with cavingman. He is acting as an informational middleman. He stands to make nothing from the deal. He is just doing all of this to help everybody out. It is reactions like ones that have ben posted that make people wantt to keep stuff to themselves. This place if full of thankless ingrates. Somebody just wants to help and gets nothing but trouble for it. Bunch of babies

[AnderbrA]

Thanks for the support guys, some people just dont understand what helping others is....

BTW Cavingman wtf is gouchburnack?

[cavingman]

supposed to say coughburnack, as in cough-burn-ack :)
i was tired, lol

[AnderbrA]

why isnt this sticky anymore? :confused:

[AleroME]

Originally posted by AnderbrA
why isnt this sticky anymore? :confused:

put more gum to hold it...hehehe just kidding.. some humor:D

[GrandAmSC/T]

Originally posted by AnderbrA
why isnt this sticky anymore? :confused:

Probably because it doesn't deserve to be sticky!

[Fast Eddie]

OH OH OH I will get it sticky again, OH OH AAAAGGGGG

[PACE]

I read through the post and clicked the links and I know you said 1200 for the phase 2 set up... Heres my situation.....I am buying a new car in the spring (GA) and it will be a daily driver....no auto crossing or anything..what set-up would you guys reccomend?? I want it to be semi-forgiving for daily use...but still want a firm set-up...the ride height adjustablilty is what is making me lean twards coilovers as opposed to H&R's...I don't think I need the struts to be adjustable as long as the ones provided are forgiving; even stock ones are decent...I appreciate any input anyone throws out...Would you recomend the $250 sleeves for my situation or this set-up. Is there a phase 1 set-up thats cheaper and still decent??...thanks guys!!

[Cheveyboy]

DITTO to ECAP !!!! I want more info!! lol. Thats exactly my same sittuation. Im dieing to do this but it seems like they steak was waved in front of the pitbull then taken away. I want info!!

[Fast Eddie]

The height adjustability will not affect your comfort so much as the spring rates. the rates in the coil overs are, or should be, the same if you are at stock height or dropped three inches. If you just want a little drop go with the H&Rs or eibachs. If you want adjustable height for little $$ you can go with draggin's. I believe these are for the "hardcore" driver who auto-x s on the weekend (or during the week) but if you got the $$ these sound like a good way to go

[SL_]

Ditto to ECAP, again.

I bought H&Rs, but one corner has rubbed so much it's metal on metal now. I need a new setup. I like the ride height of the H&Rs (maybe a little lower) but the ride is a tad harsh for me. I don't race and never plan to. I definately need new shocks on the rear as the H&Rs have killed them. The fronts are KYBs put on with the springs. I _could_ keep those, but am not against replacing them. Basically, I need springs that don't rub (I hear Eibachs also rub), drop the car, and with a stiffer-than-stock, but less-than-H&Rs setup. What do you guys suggest? (MFuller, I want to hear from you, too!)

Edit 1:
I don't think I need adjustable struts.

Edit 2:
MFuller, what's the benefit of having the struts shortened. I understand the "bump travel" stays the same, but is this for a smoother ride?

Edit 3: Maybe I should just email Truechoice...

[GTManiac]

so this thread totally died? :(

[AnderbrA]

looks like it.....i think the 1200 pricetag drove everyone off.

[Fast Eddie]

Im still interested but, the price tag is a little high for me right now:(

bryce, do you have these yet? if not we only need one more person to pick em up at 1G right?

[sound_xtreme]

just to let you all know, getting coilovers is still not out of the question. I am now custom making these if no one knew. They are VERY reasonably priced in my opinion considering I am selling the whole assembly. If you want more info head over to:
http://www.aleromod.com/subdomains/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4393

Just trying to help out the community. :D