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danishman
02-13-2004, 08:12 PM
K, now that I know that I can get traction with FWD....I needta know...where can I go to get info about making it fast???Anything could help. Thanks

95-GT
02-13-2004, 08:13 PM
Well how fast do you want? And how much do you want to spend?

danishman
02-13-2004, 08:15 PM
K...I'm talking fast....like..."omg I think I'm gonna blow my lunch on the windshield" lol kinda fast...and as far as money...I wanna go the cheapest way, but thats just cuz I dont like to over pay for things....no real budget to focus on.

Panacea
02-13-2004, 08:43 PM
Where to get info? your handy search button is your friend :thumbs: Or the "All Performance" section too

luniz
02-13-2004, 08:54 PM
Click Here (http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25385/)

danishman
02-13-2004, 08:55 PM
Okay...got to looking.....like really good 1/4 miles are like 15 seconds.....is that all ya can get out of a gt?????

luniz
02-13-2004, 08:55 PM
13.6 or so is the fastest I believe.

danishman
02-13-2004, 08:57 PM
really...omg....do they not add ne thing???/

luniz
02-13-2004, 08:59 PM
Transmission is the biggest obstacle so far. It doesn't like to hold up real well to high hp numbers.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:00 PM
Yeah...theres something I know toooo much about....GM tranies....suckkk...so why cant people just get a new one?

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:03 PM
Right now there is one member who is getting a custom built tranny that will hold up to a lot of Hp. It will be around $3500 for the tranny. You have to remember, that it still is a Grand Am, so getting a fast car is not very easy. Especially with the aftermarket, that is no where close to other cars.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:05 PM
Yeah, good point...but with a tranny like that....what kinda numbers could ya get on the 1/4?

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:10 PM
We don't know yet. We should know by the Summer, maybe even Spring. I rode in the guys GA that is boosted. We only ran at 6psi and that focker took off. With a better tranny, he wants to run at 11psi.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:11 PM
kewlness....think it could run with firebirds and trans ams??

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:12 PM
I suppose it could run with stock LT1's. Maybe a stock LS1 if everything goes good. But that is just speculation because we haven't got a 1/4 time yet.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:15 PM
hmm okay....but lets say I decide to beef it out to the max with the same 3.4 L.......Now could it run with most mods...like eclipses and hondas (sorry with the far out questions)

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:17 PM
There are some older modded eclipse GST that would kill it. Hondas, that depends because most Honda's are not fast. But some people get into the 9's with a Honda. Not something that you would probably see on your streets, but you never know.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:19 PM
hmmm but why cant u pimp it out like the other mods? I mean....both FWD....and the gts start out with a bigger engine to work with....doesnt seemt to make sense

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:20 PM
Automatic=bad. Plus most imports have a larger aftermarket. Look at a Neon SRT, it has like 230 hp but runs a 13.8 stock 1/4. A GA with 230 will not run a 13.8 in most cases. Hell a stock GTO with 300+ hp with a 6 speed only runs a 14.0 second 1/4. Of course that car is heavier then a Neon.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:22 PM
hmm so i need a manual...and rip the engine apart and replace it with great racing gear.....would that work?

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:24 PM
If you have a lot of money. No one that I know has ever put a manual in a GA. Pontiac had a car with a manual, but that didn't get into production. The 4 cylinder guys get a manual.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:26 PM
how much money are we talking?

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:27 PM
You are better off starting with something with more potential.

You could get a turbo and a bulletproof tranny for $7,000. Then you need to have it installed.

Jagey
02-13-2004, 09:27 PM
by the time you are done throwing money at such an extravagent project, you could have probably bought a second Grand Am instead. It's literally not worth it to spend 15 grand on speed if you are still not going to hang with some of the best out there

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:27 PM
theres no way to get a manual tranny to match up from somethign else?

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by danishman
theres no way to get a manual tranny to match up from somethign else?

You could, and you would be the first to do it. Custom=mad amounts of money.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:30 PM
mad mad mad amounts of money????like how mad?still around 10 grand?

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:33 PM
To be honest, I couldn't tell you. If you went with a SC or Turbo and bought a manual tranny, I could see you spending around 10,000+. It could be less, it could be more. It is tough to estimate.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:35 PM
Okay...hmm...if you havent noticed...im new with the whole car thing..lol....umm whats the best...kewl car that i can get with fast potential....and i dont really want to have something everyone else has...

luniz
02-13-2004, 09:37 PM
I would wait and see what the turbo does. RSM SC equals 4,700 installed. The fastest anyone ran with that was a 14.0 1/4. The turbo will most likely be faster, especially with the new tranny. Either way, maybe 13 people have a SC or a turbo. So you don't need to worry about having what other people have. Most people will say that they want boost, but only .000654% actually get it/

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:39 PM
I would love to do that....but I think we're getting to the part where I realize a gt will never be able to run with the "big dogs" I need "big dog" speed. lol

kubiache
02-13-2004, 09:40 PM
The thing about GAs is that the aftermarket is still young. Growing, but young. This coming year a few people will more than likely hit 12s. A handful more will be in the 13s. And a whole lot of people will be in the 14s. It's just progress. When Civics first came out, how many do you think were running 14s? 2 years ago the GP guys were talking about who was going to get a 12.5 first. Now there's two in the 10s.

danishman
02-13-2004, 09:44 PM
Hmm good point...now I didnt want to tell ya guys this....makes me look kinda stupid...but ive got one year left in highschool...so im a newbie to all this....I really want something that i can work with right now while im highschool and a lil after....after that I would love to do that to a gt, but for right now im just looking at fast and I'm fortunate enough not to hafta pinch pennies so I really want something big....to set me apart..I just cant seem to find it.

Panacea
02-13-2004, 10:55 PM
Get a 3000gt VR-4 or a trans am/camaro. Can get them fairly cheap, and you could mod them fairly inexpensively.

kubiache
02-14-2004, 05:44 AM
You're in HS, have a Grand Am, and plan on buying something else.

...must be nice.

danishman
02-14-2004, 09:28 AM
Heyyyyy now...dont paint me like a lil rich boy...never use to be like this...I got on ebay, made info books on stupid stuff and sold them....Its a really really really good way to make money

AznGA
02-14-2004, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by kubiache
You're in HS, have a Grand Am, and plan on buying something else.

...must be nice.
What can you say? Some people are fortunate enough to have nice parents. I wouldn't decline that.

AznGA
02-14-2004, 09:30 AM
There are lots of things you can do if you have the money. You can start off with intake and exhaust that would cost you about $500 together and you will notice improments in accleration. Then if you have the money and have a good knowledge, you can get into headers, turbo, SC, stuff like that.

danishman
02-14-2004, 09:32 AM
Yeah, just didnt want people to freak out if ya know what I mean...neway...is it true you can get neons that change color? A friend told me about them. Well..I want to get into turbos and stuff but I dont know a whole lot about them....and books about building up streetrods are kinda hard to find...well, besides magazines.

AznGA
02-14-2004, 09:42 AM
Hey danishman, how far are you from Des Moines? We are having a meet soon in a couple weeks, if you show up, that will be great because some of us have lots of stuff done and you will be able to learn more. I am still learning too.
:)

danishman
02-14-2004, 09:44 AM
ooo....well, I live about 90 minutes away....but I can cruise up there anytime. Is it a really big thing up there?

AznGA
02-14-2004, 09:47 AM
We don't know yet. Hopefully. You use messenger at all? Hit me up sometime and I will let you know.

danishman
02-14-2004, 09:49 AM
Yeah, its danenpool840@hotmail.com. Thanks.

Panacea
02-14-2004, 11:30 AM
Two years ago when I went to Des Moines for a meet, there were 6 people :rolleyes:

AznGA
02-14-2004, 11:44 AM
6 people? How many cars?

coupe
02-15-2004, 02:14 PM
Word of advice. The words "performance" and "fast" and "cheap" are words you cant use in the same sentance. It dont work that way. Its all about $$$$$$$. If that scares ya then think about doing something else. I dont care what ya drive its gonna cost BIG $$$$$$$ to get it fast.

95-GT
02-15-2004, 02:46 PM
If you buy a $20k grand amd and dump $10k into it to run low 13's, or buy a $30k camaro SS and run low 13's...if you wanna go fast its going to cost you money. Unless you have all your own machining equipment and do it all yourself.

coupe
02-15-2004, 02:57 PM
It sucks but thats the way it is. If it was cheap everyone would have an 11 second car.

Panacea
02-16-2004, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by AznGA
6 people? How many cars?

6 Cars :)

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=352297


Edit: I'm sorry, 5... lol

AznGA
02-16-2004, 09:12 AM
Hopefullly this next meet on the 28th will be bigger.

Marksman
03-09-2004, 06:11 PM
Hey, just wanted to give my 2c. You could always use nitrous for some quick, cheap speed. If you're into that idea get some new pistons and rods machined to stand up to a big bore blast of N2O. With a progressive system, GOOD tires, and good launching, you could really kick some @ss.
If you really beef up the internals you can boost and use nitrous if you're safe about it.
There really is a lot you can do but start with intake/exhaust, then move into port and polishing, then finally internal/boost/nitrous.
As far as info, read up on these forums and check out 60degreev6.com for more engine specific info.
Finally, if you're planning on doing all this, you'de better get a really good set of tools. Buy Snap-On or Craftsman and you'll be set.

coupe
03-10-2004, 02:14 PM
You forgot, you need a really good job to.

Marksman
03-10-2004, 02:33 PM
Haha, yeah, I did seem to omit that part...
:D