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kubiache
04-23-2004, 08:28 AM
OK, so H.O. Driver and I started tearing into my engine today to fix GMs cheapness. And we're running into a few snags, so for the next 8 or so hours, I'll be posting some questions here along the way.

For starters, the third bolt in the power steering pump, the difficult one. Is there any way to get that off without removing the motor mount?



Thanks in advance to anyone who offers tips today.

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 09:33 AM
OK, so H.O. Driver and I started tearing into my engine today to fix GMs cheapness. And we're running into a few snags, so for the next 8 or so hours, I'll be posting some questions here along the way.

For starters, the third bolt in the power steering pump, the difficult one. Is there any way to get that off without removing the motor mount?



Thanks in advance to anyone who offers tips today.


Did you take off the Cruse control? I think i used a Swivle to take it off. Damn i wish i had a grand am here to look at!

kubiache
04-23-2004, 09:33 AM
Ok, so I see how nasty the pics of Dave engine are...I'm don't have the LIM off yet, so I don't know if mine is that nasty.

HOWEVER...did you guys have a nasty coat of oil inside the runners of both manifolds? Mine are coated, but the PCV valve is ok, there's no oil in the tb. Anyone else have this? If so, what's the deal? Sure wish I had my new manifolds. :rolleyes:

Also, once all the bolts are out of the fuel rail, should it just pull off? We're pulling up on it with a decent amount of force and not making any progress. Am I missing something?

Thanks

kubiache
04-23-2004, 09:34 AM
Did you take off the Cruse control? I think i used a Swivle to take it off. Damn i wish i had a grand am here to look at!

Yeah that's off. That didn't pose any problem. Just the motor mount, but apparently we'll be taking it off in a few here.

95-GT
04-23-2004, 09:39 AM
AHHH

STOP!!!! lol

First, take the motor mount off to remove the PS pump, easiesy way IMO.

2nd, for the fuel rail, you remove the 2-10 MM bolts holding it down, then follow the feed and return line down, and you will find a 13 MM bolt holding a bracket on them. To be able to fully move them out of the way, there will be another 13 MM bolt holding the line that goes from the LIM t'stat housing to the heater core. Remove that bolt, then pull that line out. The Fuel rail should just come out now without any problems.

The oil in the runners is ok, it fromt he EGR.

If you have any questions Dave, call my cell phone - 586-615-9909

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 09:41 AM
My TB was Grose

And Hold on a sec I hope your not pulling the fuel rails off the manifolds.

95-GT
04-23-2004, 09:44 AM
Ya. Just yank it out, find any o-rings that may have popped off, and move them out of the way. Not actually pulling the rails from the injectors and feed and return lines.

95-GT
04-23-2004, 09:45 AM
Dave, if you guys need any help, like you are really stuck and having problems, I will haul my ass out there and give you guys a hand.

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 09:47 AM
There is no need to take the Fuel rail off the manifold, just leave it on undo the rear line and unhook the FPR from the frount one. Just leave the rail on the manifold and pull it all.

95-GT
04-23-2004, 09:49 AM
I did that before, but then a o-ring for the return line broke and ended up costing approx $50 to get a new one.

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 09:51 AM
I did that before, but then a o-ring for the return line broke and ended up costing approx $50 to get a new one.

Thats why you are carful taking it off so you dont brake/ lose it and then when you are putting it back on place the oring in the fuel rail then push the return line in make sure its seated and then tighten the bolt down. i have done it 3 times no problem now

95-GT
04-23-2004, 09:55 AM
Might have been the only car I worked on. But I did it all careful, but the O-ring was worn out and ****, and when I took the pressure off it, it snapped

kubiache
04-23-2004, 10:36 AM
All good info.

OK, power steering pump is off. We're still at a loss about the fuel rail, but we're going to leave it on for now since we're not changing manifolds. The only crappy thing is I'll be doing this again in a week when I DO change manifolds.

Dave I appreciate the offer, but since you're three hours away (from my parents place in Muskegon), by the time you get here, I should IN THEORY be putting things back together. You may get a phone call or two though.

kubiache
04-23-2004, 11:21 AM
ANother question...

The bracket that holds on the tensioner and idler pulleys...do you have to remove the header bolts to get the thing off? We've pulled 3 large bolts out already, is there more than that? We can's see any more, but we're tugging on it and it's not moving. Is there another, or are we just weak b1tches?

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 11:34 AM
ANother question...

The bracket that holds on the tensioner and idler pulleys...do you have to remove the header bolts to get the thing off? We've pulled 3 large bolts out already, is there more than that? We can's see any more, but we're tugging on it and it's not moving. Is there another, or are we just weak b1tches?

**** I cant remeber that one exactly i know i never had to remove any Manifold bolts i remeber Taking off the Alt. first then the
tensioner

And Dave PLEASE be carful putting the return line back on the fuel rail if you remove it from up top, its very soft Metal and will strip easy!

kubiache
04-23-2004, 11:45 AM
Yeah I found the last bolt...stupid me...the tensioner itself.

Like I said, for some reason the fuel rail isn't coming off, so we're going to leave it for now and figure it out next week when I do all this again. Once we get the whole manifold off with the fuel rail, I'll try to figure out what the deal is.

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 11:49 AM
Yeah I found the last bolt...stupid me...the tensioner itself.

Like I said, for some reason the fuel rail isn't coming off, so we're going to leave it for now and figure it out next week when I do all this again. Once we get the whole manifold off with the fuel rail, I'll try to figure out what the deal is.

Yeah thats how i took it off but the threads on the rail itself are soft and when your toqueing it down just double check the o ring is seated correctly and you dont cross thread it

kubiache
04-23-2004, 01:02 PM
K, next question....The nut that holds on the thermostat return line...Is there any good way to get that off without taking off the header? The stud sticks out too far for a shallow socket, and the headers is in the way for a deep socket. So far with a wrench we're having a hell of a time getting a good angle on it to be able to turn it more than 1/1000th of a turn each time. Suggestions?

95-GT
04-23-2004, 01:41 PM
A little tip:

Use a 1/4" socket, either a deep well or regular depth, and use extensions since they are thin to get a nut off.

kubiache
04-23-2004, 02:37 PM
K, finally got everything off about 30 minutes ago. We're cleaning all the surfaces now and trying to get the sitting coolant soaked up. Things might actually be going smoothly now...*knocks on wood* It's certainly not as big of a mess as your's was Dave, but still pretty nasty.

If anyone wants to come to GR next week and help me do this again, you're all welcome :D

95-GT
04-23-2004, 02:49 PM
I might drop by and give ya a hand.

kubiache
04-23-2004, 04:00 PM
Sweet dude. I'll give you a call. Next time it'll be at a friends house with more tools accesible. I had to bring as many tools from work as I could fit in a little toolbox, so we ran into a few probs along the way. Dinner time now. More updates later

95-GT
04-23-2004, 04:21 PM
Sweet. I will bring all my tools also. I have them all in a box to do everything.

jeffescortlx
04-23-2004, 04:51 PM
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95-GT
04-23-2004, 04:55 PM
yummy!

Blackrider
04-23-2004, 08:08 PM
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/11/web/419000-419999/419565_57_full.jpg

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/11/web/419000-419999/419565_58_full.jpg
Puke! :vomit:

Matt's99GT
04-24-2004, 04:33 AM
Kubiache- You got a Haynes or Chiltons manuel to help ya out?

kubiache
04-24-2004, 05:13 AM
Alrighty...got it all put together and drove it home last night without incident. Everything appears to be ok thus far. It definately took us longer than it should have.

Jordie, Dave L, thanks for following the thread and offering help.

Dave V, thanks for stopping by, good to see you again.

Tim, hehehe, sorry you didn't get home until 3am. Oops. :D

I took a ton of pictures (more of tearing it down, since putting it together was getting frustrating). So once I get all that crap developed I'll post up the good ones.

Blackrider
04-24-2004, 01:13 PM
Alrighty...got it all put together and drove it home last night without incident. Everything appears to be ok thus far. It definately took us longer than it should have.

Jordie, Dave L, thanks for following the thread and offering help.

Dave V, thanks for stopping by, good to see you again.

Tim, hehehe, sorry you didn't get home until 3am. Oops. :D

I took a ton of pictures (more of tearing it down, since putting it together was getting frustrating). So once I get all that crap developed I'll post up the good ones.


Good to see you got It done Dave!

Doing the heads is not much harder

Rba007
04-24-2004, 01:15 PM
I was glad I was only an observer thats for sure!

Hexx
05-23-2004, 10:18 AM
Is there a howto on doing the LIM change? I need to do it soon.

Hexx
05-28-2004, 07:33 AM
Bringing this back up again so I don't have to make a new thread.

I have heard a few things about you guys putting dye in your coolant or oil (don't remember which) to do something for the leak. Does it just show you where it is leaking or does it help stop the leak.

My LIM isn't that bad...yet. I am wondering if I can do a flush, and add the DEX with something else to stop the leaks for a while. Also, would a retorque help it instead of replacing the gasket and bolts?

Blackrider
05-28-2004, 08:33 AM
Bringing this back up again so I don't have to make a new thread.

I have heard a few things about you guys putting dye in your coolant or oil (don't remember which) to do something for the leak. Does it just show you where it is leaking or does it help stop the leak.

My LIM isn't that bad...yet. I am wondering if I can do a flush, and add the DEX with something else to stop the leaks for a while. Also, would a retorque help it instead of replacing the gasket and bolts?
Just do a pressure test

Hexx
05-28-2004, 09:15 AM
Just do a pressure test

Will that determine if I have to change the gasket? If I don't have to spend $100 in parts I would love that.

My oil is perfectly fine...not milky and no weird signs of anything in the oil. It is my coolant that looks brownish and has foamy crap on the cap (smells like a.ss).

Blackrider
05-28-2004, 09:32 AM
Will that determine if I have to change the gasket? If I don't have to spend $100 in parts I would love that.

My oil is perfectly fine...not milky and no weird signs of anything in the oil. It is my coolant that looks brownish and has foamy crap on the cap (smells like a.ss).

Run a pressure test the system should hold full presure for 2 min MIN! if it dosn't then pump it back up and see if you can hear where its leaking, that will tell you whats ****ed.

Hexx
05-28-2004, 10:11 AM
Run a pressure test the system should hold full presure for 2 min MIN! if it dosn't then pump it back up and see if you can hear where its leaking, that will tell you whats ****ed.

Can I do this or does a shop need to do it (tool wise). How much $$ is it usually to get it done.

Blackrider
05-28-2004, 11:52 AM
Can I do this or does a shop need to do it (tool wise). How much $$ is it usually to get it done.
Probably a shop unless you have a pressure tester probably a shop or you can rent one

Hexx
05-28-2004, 12:26 PM
Ok...some more questions :( Sorry guys. I just want to get my info straight before I dive into this project. According to the TSB all I need for the job is the gasket (the new GM one), 4 long bolts and 4 short. I can get all that for $70 before shipping. NOW, above (sticky thread) it is said you need a new UIM gasket and valve cover gaskets. Can I do the job without taking the valve covers off and can I reuse the UIM gasket?

jamcllw
05-28-2004, 01:41 PM
No you can't do it without removing the valve covers and the uim gasket should be in the same package as the lim gasket. Check ebay you can probably get the gaskets cheaper there. I got mine for $20 shipped and they were the updated gaskets. And vavle cover gasket usually go for around $10 shipped.

Hexx
05-28-2004, 02:36 PM
No you can't do it without removing the valve covers and the uim gasket should be in the same package as the lim gasket. Check ebay you can probably get the gaskets cheaper there. I got mine for $20 shipped and they were the updated gaskets. And vavle cover gasket usually go for around $10 shipped.

What did you search for on ebay? I looked for grand am gasket and found nothing. Also looked for 3400 gasket and found nothing.

95-GT
05-28-2004, 06:00 PM
You CAN reuse the valve cover gaskets.

Hexx
05-28-2004, 07:03 PM
You CAN reuse the valve cover gaskets.

And what about UIM?

95-GT
05-28-2004, 08:37 PM
Yep, you have to replace it. To reuse the valve cover gasket, make sure its not stretched, clean it, along with the valve cover, and use some black RTV where the triangle things are.

jamcllw
06-02-2004, 12:17 PM
What did you search for on ebay? I looked for grand am gasket and found nothing. Also looked for 3400 gasket and found nothing.
Here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7903665697&category=34202
and here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33665&item=2480931704&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Hexx
06-02-2004, 02:11 PM
Here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7903665697&category=34202
and here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33665&item=2480931704&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Nice ..... thanx 1000xs :jackson

jamcllw
06-02-2004, 02:48 PM
np

ericmad
06-21-2004, 05:01 PM
sometimes, you get what you pay for... i just received the gasket set from an auction i won from the above user, wrknnn. i was ****ed. The LIM gaskets were not in the orignal packaging, they were just placed in a large envelope; she didn't include the upper gaskets; and lastly, and MOST importantly, she sent ONE of the new gaskets (all black, metal around bolt hole), and the other was the older style gasket (blue seal, no metal).
i sent her an email about this, but i doubt she'll resolve it, as the auction only went for $10. so, if any of you plan on looking for gaskets on ebay, i'd steer clear of the seller, wrknnn.