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07-29-2004, 08:53 AM
Hi everyone, I just joined in hopes of getting some quick information and guidance. I know I should be searching the archives, but I have no time now!

I was just browsing for a car for my daughter yesterday, and came upon a beautiful 99 GT coupe. It's in immaculate condition, inside and out. Always garaged, one owner, pampered, etc. Listed as, and shows only 33,000 miles. I put a deposit on it and am scheduled to pick it up in a few hours.

My problem is that I ran a Carfax report and it shows a discrepency in the odometer readings. After a little over a year old (in 2000) the report shows 30,388 miles. Then the next mileage reading in the report is in 2002 with only 22,086 miles. The "carfax advisor" states that it could be a rollback or a clerical error.

For the 22,086 mileage reading, it shows maintenance service including front brake pads and rotors. This is one thing that has me suspicious. Front brake problems with only 22K miles?

Also, when I was looking at the car yesterday and it was running, I heard what sounded like the belt tensioner or idler pulley squeaking. The salesman said it just needs belt dressing. I know serpentine belts generally don't squeek. So a potential squeaking tensioner with only 33,000 miles?

I forgot to look closely at the tires. Does anyone know what brand generally came on the 99's ? If it actually has only 33K, then I would think it would have the original tires but getting fairly worn.

I guess I acted too hastily, but he really came down in price from what they were originally asking (supposedly) when it first hit the lot. I got him down to $8100 from an original 10, 995. And the car fits the bill perfectly for my daughter, unless we're getting con'ed with the mileage.

Sorry for this long post, but any info and comments would be appreciated.


07-29-2004, 08:58 AM
Give me the VIN and I will run it though GM right now........

07-29-2004, 09:11 AM
The VIN is 1G2NW12E5XM867386


07-29-2004, 09:15 AM
Here is the repair history as GM knows it. I would say that the odometer is legit......

R.O Date R.O Number Type Labor Operation Odometer Reading

01/07/2002 064058 # H0042 - PADS, DISC BRAKE - FRONT - R&R OR REPLACE 22086 miles

01/07/2002 064058 # V0508 - 1999-2000 ALERO,GRAND AM - REPLACE CONSOLE COVER LATCH 22086 miles

01/07/2002 064058 # R0750 22086 miles

06/19/2000 047836 # H0127 - ROTOR ASSEMBLY - FRONT - BOTH - R&R OR REPLACE 13361 miles

02/26/1999 A67386 I Z7000 - PRE-DELIVERY INSPECTION - BASE TIME 0 miles

Front brake problems with 22,000 are common, actually, I'm surprised it made it that far. My 2003 had new rotors put on at 308 (not a typo) miles.

07-29-2004, 09:29 AM
Preed4962, thanks for the info! The mileage discrepency seems to be with that repair on 6/19/2000. Carfax shows 30,388 and your GM history report shows 13361.

Just so I understand, somehow you have access to GM repair history?

I wonder where Carfax came up with that higher mileage reading? The source only says "Service Facility" but obviously it was a GM repair shop.

07-29-2004, 09:31 AM
Yes, I am a warranty engineer, I have to study vehicle repair histories as part of my daily work.



07-29-2004, 09:34 AM
Excellent! Thanks for the info and the quick reply.

It seems that these cars must go through rotors quite frequently. At least OEM ones!

07-29-2004, 10:06 AM
MIght wonna check and see if the lower intake mani gasket is leaking, because most of them go bad. and find out if it still has any kind of warranty

07-29-2004, 10:31 AM
Yes, I've been reading that many people have had leaking manifold gaskets. Not too concerned with that right now because I will be getting a warranty, although I think he said only 4 months/4000 miles but I'll get the details before I buy shortly. I'll be going over everything before that warranty ends. Thanks for the heads up.

07-29-2004, 11:43 AM
Yea man keep a look out on the lim leaking and the rotors warping (if they are still stock). But anyways, enjoy the car, Grand ams are awsome!!! (even with their little problems)

07-29-2004, 12:10 PM
Also, be sure that the cabin fan works on all speeds.....a resistor for the blower motor tends to go bad, making the two lowest fan speeds inoperable. Check under the coolant cap and oil cap for light-brownish milky sludge, which indicates a lower intake manifold gasket leak. OEM tires were Goodyear Eagle RS-A, in P225/50R16 size.

I would think you could get the price down to $7500 anyway.

07-29-2004, 12:17 PM
Yes, I am a warranty engineer, I have to study vehicle repair histories as part of my daily work.




07-29-2004, 01:08 PM
Lower it below $8100 that seems like a little high. My cousins bought an 02 se w/10,000 miles for only $11,000

As for that warranty, make sure it's not going to cost you more than $1-200, cause really that warranty should be free...

07-30-2004, 07:38 AM
Thanks for your help and suggestions everyone. We picked up the car yesterday afternoon. They would not budge any lower on the price ($8100) since they already came down quite a bit. Anyway, I feel it was worth it.

The car is flawless, not a mark anywhere on the body. It rides like brand new. Everything works fine so far but I'll keep an eye out on your suggestions.

Since the mileage is only 33,000 (and I"m convinced now that it's legit) it comes with a 3 month/4000 mile warranty bumper to bumper, and the dealer is a local Pontiac dealer.

07-30-2004, 02:23 PM
umm you should have talked to them about a extended waranty, when i bough mine a few months ago, every car i looked at had a 3 month/3000 mile warranty, i talked them into a 3 year 36000 mile gm major guard plan for just a few hundred dollars.

07-31-2004, 08:29 AM
They quoted me $1200 for a 2yr/24K extended warranty! Since I generally do all repairs myself, I wasn't about to pay that. So I'll just keep an eye out for problems while under the short warranty, then hope for the best and repair anything myself after that.