Grand Am GXP Show Car

[GrafxWerks]

Thought some might enjoy the reincarnation of the Hot Wheels GA:

http://www.n-body.net/gallery/images/GA_GXP/GA_GXP_Front.jpg

http://www.n-body.net/gallery/images/GA_GXP/GA_GXP_Rear.jpg

Details on N-Body.Net


- Ryan

[red rocket]

I NEED THAT CAR NOW!!!!

[louveres]

In my opinion that is just beautiful. I love the color too. I want it!

[ryGT1]

need to wipe drool off mouth.... I LOVE THAT CAR!!!

[GrafxWerks]

Yeah.. not bad. Poncho did all their show cars pretty much the same this year:

Vibe GXP:

http://www.matrixvibe.org/gallery/images/Vibe_GXP/Vibe_GXP_Front.jpg

http://www.matrixvibe.org/gallery/images/Vibe_GXP/Vibe_GXP_Rear.jpg

Grand Prix GXP:

http://www.w-body.net/gallery/images/GP_GXP/GP_GXP_Front.jpg

http://www.w-body.net/gallery/images/GP_GXP/GP_GXP_Rear.jpg


- Ryan

[Sternie]

Performance suspension components, including thicker stabilizer bars, large four-wheel disc brakes and ceramic-coated calipers, and 18-inch forged aluminum wheels join Grand Am GXP's revised fascias, while a supercharged, 275-hp V-6 delivers the bite of the special low-restriction exhaust system's bark.

Sounds good to me!

[nnewton123]

wow, that grand prix looks pretty sexy too. I still think I'd take the GA though!!

[GrafxWerks]

Sunfire GXP

http://www.n-body.net/currie/GXP/Sunfire_GXP_Front.jpg

http://www.n-body.net/currie/GXP/Sunfire_GXP_Rear.jpg

Bonneville GXP

http://www.n-body.net/currie/GXP/Bonneville_GXP_Front.jpg

http://www.n-body.net/currie/GXP/Bonneville_GXP_Rear.jpg


- Ryan

[GrafxWerks]

And last but not least...

http://www.n-body.net/currie/GXP/All_GXPs.jpg


- Ryan

[red rocket]

I saw a 2003 Sunfire on the dealer's lot over the weekend. What did they do to the front end?? It looks worse than the Aztek with all the openings and grills.

[GregFarz78]

Originally posted by Sternie
Sounds good to me!

Yea if they actually build it...GM likes to tease us and make cool concepts that never reach production.

[GrafxWerks]

Originally posted by GregFarz78
Yea if they actually build it...GM likes to tease us and make cool concepts that never reach production.
Well, they're gonna build the Bonne GXP (4.4L V8). That's a start.


- Ryan

[black99gt]

WHY THE HELL DONT THEY MAKE ALL OF THOSE CARS!

/Dream

I would buy one for sure. But personally, i think the Sunfire looks the best out of all of them :o

Damnit if they wanted business....

250 stock hp Supercharged AWD 5 speed V6 Grand Am. You know how many people would BUY THAT.. MORE THAN YOU CAN COUNT :eek:


/EndDream

[Red99GT]

That Grand Am looks bad ass :thumbs: :thumbs: I would take any of those cars except for that newly designed Sunfire, they totally destroyed the looks of that car if you ask me, ewwwww :D but the rest are killer looking

[Kristi]

The dealer here just got a ton of the Sunfire's, (i think if a Saturn and a ford zx2 or whatever those are called mated they would make the new sunfire:confused: Are they making everything into a family car now or what!!!

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by black99gt
WHY THE HELL DONT THEY MAKE ALL OF THOSE CARS!


Cause they look good and probbably are fast and could be offered at a reasonable price with avalable manual transmissions. They also might sell really well. Can't have that. They need to continue to make nice cars ugly downtune them and charge more.

[DeuceGT]

i would take any of those cars, i think they made the sunny look nice. but the GA and the vibe look the best i think.

~steve :boogie:

[MetaGTP1]

GM really should build the Grand Am GXP as a limited edition. They should put lighter wheels on it, also. Those are the Mille Miglia Evos and they are heavy wheels. Put a set of Centerline RPMs on that Baby and it will really kick a##. I would think that the Eaton/Magnuson MP-62 Gen 5 SC is under the hood. That would explain the HP increase. Put a 2.4" SC pulley in that and you have about 290 HP. GM, PLEASE BUILD THE GRAND AM GXP !!!

[Palutz 03]

Yeah those cars are pretty sweet... how much you think they will be??? I love my car but no matter what supercharger or no supercharger i know i can't beat a lot of cars on the road. I think that everyone gets too hyper about these superchargers.. come on 250 hp... that ain't nothing against a camaro ss or a mustang cobra. Don't get me wrong i love my car as much as all of you do but do u really think that those new cars that are gonna come out will stand a chance against newer cars??? no they won't .. i guess that just makes me a little sad... but then again i'm gonna get my ss soon!!!!:D

[GrafxWerks]

No... what's really sad is that GM is blowing 3.4s and getting HP ratings around 250, whereas Nissan (for example) is selling 3.5L engines putting out 280 naturally aspirated (think Maxima, Altima, 350Z, etc). If you've never driven a 3.5L equipped car, I suggest you do... very nice linear power, not a "torqueless wonder" like some import engines.

I think the foundation needs to be re-thought rather than the 'quick fix' of slapping on a blower and a beefed up trans... something that is unlikely to ever see mass production.


- Ryan

[MetaGTP1]

Originally posted by Palutz 03
Yeah those cars are pretty sweet... how much you think they will be??? I love my car but no matter what supercharger or no supercharger i know i can't beat a lot of cars on the road. I think that everyone gets too hyper about these superchargers.. come on 250 hp... that ain't nothing against a camaro ss or a mustang cobra. Don't get me wrong i love my car as much as all of you do but do u really think that those new cars that are gonna come out will stand a chance against newer cars??? no they won't .. i guess that just makes me a little sad... but then again i'm gonna get my ss soon!!!!:D 275 HP With a smaller SC pulley and the correct PCM tuning, you will have a GA that will do 150 mph with 300 hp under the hood. That would definitely give a Cobra or an SS fits.;)

[GrandAmSC/T]

Yep that grand am gtx is truely badass. Too bad they wont ever make it.. You'd think GM would learn look how much of the SC/T stuff they have sold. GM is dumb they dont realize that people will buy the aftermarket stuff or high performance stuff. See GM is putting XM radio on cars stock now thats a halfway start and i read that GM will be putting remote start Stock on 03 vehicles i believe. All of the other car makers realize this and are making high performance cars with extra goodies stock and gm is sitting here making ugly ass family 4 door cars and loosing customers by the day to HONDA and the like.

Crawl out of your damn cave GM and freakin listen to what people want.

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by GrafxWerks

I think the foundation needs to be re-thought rather than the 'quick fix' of slapping on a blower and a beefed up trans... something that is unlikely to ever see mass production.


- Ryan


Actually I am pretty cool with that idea of slapping on the SC, as long as the engine and trans are modified to withstand it. No different than Nissan putting their truck engine in the car and re-tuning it a little. That's a great idea as well.

If the inline 6 from the TrailBlazer were to actually fit under the hood of a GP or GA, I'd be good with that. :thumbs:

Dodge... Neon and PT Cruiser, put in the 2.4 from the base Stratus and slap a turbo on it. Good call.

Mazda. Slap a turbo on the Protege. Another good call.

Ford. Slap an Eaton M112 on the 5.4 in the F150. Another good call.

Ford. Slap an Eaton M112 on the 4.6 in the Mustang Cobra, VERY good call.

Nissan, plop the Nissan Pathfinder engine in the Max and Altima and tweak it a little bit. Great call.

Hyundai, take the engine from the Santa Fe and slap it in the Tiburon and re-freshen the Tiburon and make a new 6-speed. Good call.

Doesn't take a whole lot of impressive engineering to make a fast car etc... but it takes someone that's creative to think of bad excuses for not making what most people are starting to buy.

The trend now is high performance in all segments. From economy car too SUV.

[GrafxWerks]

Originally posted by Mike3800
Actually I am pretty cool with that idea of slapping on the SC, as long as the engine and trans are modified to withstand it. No different than Nissan putting their truck engine in the car and re-tuning it a little. That's a great idea as well.
I'm more than happy with it too, when its done right. Problem is, it seems that when its done right, the final product (at least within GM) is a less-than-impressive result. What's impressive about a 3.8L engine at 240/280, when the Nissan 3.5 is 3.4L, smoother, lighter, and putting out 280/280ish? (Sorry I keep using Nissan, I've been researching ;))

GM slaps together a 3.8 with a SC and runs with it for what, over 8 model years now? I mean, yeah, the 3800 is a solid engine, but I think its time for some refinement (replacement). I would assume an Altima 3.5 can hold fairly close to a GTP? If so, boost isnt even exciting.

Also, look at your list above... seems to be lacking GM examples... is that saying something?


- Ryan

[ViperGTSR]

OMG GIMME!!!!!!! Dude ok is it just me or are those colors, beautiful? The smoothness of it all is sooooooooo sexy! Very nice pics ryan!

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by GrafxWerks
GM slaps together a 3.8 with a SC and runs with it for what, over 8 model years now? I mean, yeah, the 3800 is a solid engine, but I think its time for some refinement (replacement). I would assume an Altima 3.5 can hold fairly close to a GTP? If so, boost isnt even exciting.

Also, look at your list above... seems to be lacking GM examples... is that saying something?


- Ryan


I am on the same page, I am saying GM should take a hint from everyone else.


However, you kinda hit a nerve with the GTP comment. ;)


As far as the GTP it would be as simple as either using the Eaton M112 instead of the Eaton M90 on the exsisting rock solid 3800 or a smaller pulley on the supercharger of the L67 (3800), then to accomedate the extra torque, use the 4T80E from the Seville STS instead of the 4T65E trans that is currently used. If they did simple things like that, they would be more compedative.

No in-depth rocket science needed. Then they could sit on the top of the pile again for a while and work on new engines and use the "heavy duty high tech" engineering etc...

Small dispacement with no SC sounds nice, but what sounds better is light car, high HP and torque, who gives a crap what size the engine is.




my .02.

[Gimli]

Is it just me or it looks like GM hired the *** marketing people? Same body kit on all models! :D

Unlike the *** though, these actually look good :D

Let the flame war begin...

[GrafxWerks]

Originally posted by Mike3800
However, you kinda hit a nerve with the GTP comment. ;)

As far as the GTP it would be as simple as either using the Eaton M112 instead of the Eaton M90 on the exsisting rock solid 3800 or a smaller pulley on the supercharger of the L67 (3800), then to accomedate the extra torque, use the 4T80E from the Seville STS instead of the 4T65E trans that is currently used. If they did simple things like that, they would be more compedative.
I knew the GTP comment would get your attention (I mean, it is your forte), thats why I used it (that, and its really the only engine GM has that is performance oriented and in a car).

I like the potential of the new 4.4 V8 in the Bonne. I assume is a varient of the Aurora 4.0, which is a very smooth, torquey engine... but to say that the 3800 is a marvel by any means, well, I guess we agree to disagree :)


- Ryan

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Yeah, boy those 3800's are real pieces of crap. I mean look at those crappy 10+ year old 3.8 GNX Turbos, boy are those babies weak. I mean the potential for 1100 hp or more is really lame. :rolleyes:

[Vintalage]

I love those colors. They should have offered that along time ago. All those cars look great. Grand am GXP...mmmmmm.

[Vintalage]

hey, the tailz on the Grand Am GXP have a darker look now than it did with the hotwheels. It matches the paint real well. I like it alot.

[SilverGA2001]

If there was a list to put my name on to have one... it'd be there already. My only request would be to leave the stocker tail lights on. :)

[Black2002GT]

those cars are beautiful

[peeps]

Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
Yeah, boy those 3800's are real pieces of crap. I mean look at those crappy 10+ year old 3.8 GNX Turbos, boy are those babies weak. I mean the potential for 1100 hp or more is really lame. :rolleyes: Sorry, but the 3800 and the 3.8SFI from the GNX is not the same engine.....If so, you would have seen an 1100 hp GP by now....:rolleyes:

[SilverGT1]

Originally posted by black99gt
personally, i think the Sunfire looks the best out of all of them :o

i agree the sunfire looks good. and the grand am gxp looks pretty bad a$$ too. that's what the new se's should look like :thumbs:

[jaketuff]

Apparantly the Hot Wheels Corp guys did not like the results of the GAGT Concept.... I read that here some time ago. But does that make much sense if GM essentially went ahead with another proposed Hot Wheels spec GAGT, and full lineup? I doubt this is the case, and moreso it must be GM stopping the greenlight on the car. They sell so many GA's already, they could care less about changing it. They make more profits on the SUVs, so they are concentrating in those beasts.

But there are new platforms and drivetrains coming. Maybe, just maybe there will be a limited run of this car before the body style is changed. 2005, isn't that far off in the automotive world...

BTW - That paint is trick, and those exhuast tips are awesome as well... they even made the SUNFIRE look close to decent!!!:eek::D
Those tails on the GA, condensation, build quality issues, even at GAP02, they could have that sorted easily of they wanted to ....

..do they, will they???

JOUT

[badassgrandam99]

and here is more... the actual GXP Grand Am would be on the next generation GA...

http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=3832

[Inferno]

I really hope GM goes ahead and makes this car. I was very disapointed when I had heard that the Hot Wheels Grand Am had been scrapped. Take not GM I will be the first person at the dealership the day these babies come off the truck.

[Inferno]

The above post should say take note, not take not

[bighead113]

Wow, that Grand Am is unbeilievable!! I will be right there the day that goes for sale, if it actually does...GM PLEASE PRODUCE THOSE CARS!!!!

[MysteriousGT1]

Holy Crap!...I want all of those!

[shutter27]

If GM actually starts making Pontiacs like these, there may be hope for some long over due respect for the line. Cadillac is re-doing their line with the Escalade, CTS & the upcoming XLR (not the Caddys of a decade ago.)

Maybe they have finally realized that slapping plastic body cladding on cars is not the best way to add "Fuel For The Soul!"
:cheers:

[Palutz 03]

U know what guys i realized something... there are a lot of guys out on this board a little mad at GM for not making the "future" cars faster and better, and then there is those guys in the corner that are saying WOOO ,AHHH ,WOW, NICE, I WANT ONE :tool:

Thats why GM doesn't care about performance anymore. GM knows that no matter what people will buy their product. Why bother changing everything about the car when they can slap on a new body and just call it a day??? Right now GM is sitting very confortably on the market and they won't waste money making their cars as good or as fast as the japanese cars... altimas, maxima and so many others. It's very sad to see because i have driven so many different cars and it seems to me that the import cars are becoming better then american, and thatshouldn't ever be... sad but true.. BUY AMERICAN!!!!!! even if they won't be as good as imports :confused:
thats my 2 cents

[WOLF]

Why can't they just make the bloody body package from that thing atleast. That alone would make me happy, just don't like the toy like "slapped on" front grill treatment though.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally posted by peeps
Sorry, but the 3800 and the 3.8SFI from the GNX is not the same engine.....If so, you would have seen an 1100 hp GP by now....:rolleyes:

Yeah that's right. So your telling me that the 3800 is not a very similar pushrod 90 degree V6 with similar displacement as the 90 degree V6 SFI 3.8 besides compression ratios, valvetrain differences, and emissions changes??? So that must mean that GM saw how nice the SFI performed and decided to drop it for no good reason and made a COMPLETELY REDESIGNED engine instead of improving upon the hp numbers in N/A form and changing to a supercharged form due to the fact that a FWD tranny they use could not hold the power of a turbo 3.8?? 1100 hp through the compact 4t65e tranny?!?! Come on. :rolleyes: Gimme a break.

Of course it isn't EXACTLY the same, but if u can sit there and tell me that the engine block and design is fundamentally different now (except for how the GNX engine has a slightly higher nickel content for more strength according to TA^Guy) truthfully, then I'll take back everything I said here.

[GreatGraySkwid]

My bad on the post in the General section...

Frankly, I never noticed that this section was added! :p

Anywho...I love this car!

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by GrafxWerks
but to say that the 3800 is a marvel by any means, well, I guess we agree to disagree :)


- Ryan

It was and still is one of the 10 best engines in the world. It's OK to not like it. I don't like the 2.0 in the Honda S2000 but it also is an engineering masterpiece.


It's the only V6 commonly known to pounce on V8's even if it does take forced induction, also the old 3.8 in the GNX Buick was oone of the fastest musclecars of all time.

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by peeps
Sorry, but the 3800 and the 3.8SFI from the GNX is not the same engine.....If so, you would have seen an 1100 hp GP by now....:rolleyes:

That's like saying the LS1 and the LT1 are not the same engine.

True, there are differences, but the displacment remains the same even if the means of forced induction and computers etc... are different. Still the iron block 3.8 liter V6 no matter what they label it as or what intake manifold or computer etc.. is on it.

You have the money to make an 1100HP GP? Cause it isn't cheap to make an 1100HP GNX either. And to think you could not make the GP have that kind of juice... well, no comment.

[Tom2K2GAGT]

I want that Grand AM GXP -- that is sweet. I hope they do a body kit for that some day!! ;) I know they need to make those cars for sure!!!

[Tom2K2GAGT]

Originally posted by KmanGT1
GM, PLEASE BUILD THE GRAND AM GXP !!!
I agree--Please!!

[Macleod52]

I love the way it looks. The paint is gorgeous and so is the body. I would love for that to be the new body style!!! I wold still say that it's a totally different body becaue it pretty much is. Keep the sporty look of the aerodynamics but modify it to look a little different. I definatly think that thing would sell very well. Unfortunatly I highly doubt GM will do anything about it, and if they do, it will probably not resemble that.

[Doug]

The 3.8L buick motor is completely different. Block, pistons, rods, crank, intake, tb, piston rings, deck height umm basically almost everything. The only thing they share is displacement.

[NastyGT00]

Every single one of those have my rims on them, I think its time for a new set of shoes

[cwcole]

I have only done a little research, but it looks like the 2005 GA GXP is still only going to be offered in an automatic.

As good as the car looks...not having a stick turns me away.

[Mike3800]

Originally posted by Doug
The 3.8L buick motor is completely different. Block, pistons, rods, crank, intake, tb, piston rings, deck height umm basically almost everything. The only thing they share is displacement.

Still GM and still 3.8. So it's improved/changed/updated or whatever, but it's the same iron block 3.8 in my eyes.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally posted by Mike3800


Still GM and still 3.8. So it's improved/changed/updated or whatever, but it's the same iron block 3.8 in my eyes.

I agree, they're both Iron block pushrods w/ the same displacement and degree of offset. Of course they have to change things for economic/performance reasons, but otherwise they are very much the same. I think the only reason the buick 3.8 block itself was different is because it had a higher nickel content BTW, but I'm not positive so I won't go there. TA^Guy knows.

[badassgrandam99]

Originally posted by Palutz 03
U know what guys i realized something... there are a lot of guys out on this board a little mad at GM for not making the "future" cars faster and better, and then there is those guys in the corner that are saying WOOO ,AHHH ,WOW, NICE, I WANT ONE :tool:

Thats why GM doesn't care about performance anymore. GM knows that no matter what people will buy their product. Why bother changing everything about the car when they can slap on a new body and just call it a day??? Right now GM is sitting very confortably on the market and they won't waste money making their cars as good or as fast as the japanese cars... altimas, maxima and so many others. It's very sad to see because i have driven so many different cars and it seems to me that the import cars are becoming better then american, and thatshouldn't ever be... sad but true.. BUY AMERICAN!!!!!! even if they won't be as good as imports :confused:
thats my 2 cents

...your statement isn't entirely true... if GM didn't care about performance anymore, then i don't think that they would've created the GM Performance Division... this new group is responsible for the new Cadillac CTS-V and Pontiac Bonneville GXP... both of which will be made soon... also soon to be coming from GMPD will be the Grand Prix GXP, Grand Am GXP, a series of SS models from Chevrolet and a 200+ hp Saturn Ion Quad Coupe... GM is very much trying to resurge performance... as far as GM sitting comfortably... that is never true... car companies can't get to confident cuz if they do that is when the competition moves in... GM has gained in sales b/c it has improved in quality and looks (well...not Aztek) ...in fact.. the Lansing plant took the JD Powers award for Initial Product Quality... it took 1, 2, and 3 (Malibu, Alero, Grand Am)... and Japanese cars have fallen in the latest Consumer Reports rating... the Camry and the Altima both fell to just "Average" for quality...

Autonews story on Consumer Reports Ratings (http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=3866)

GM Eyes Performance Article (http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=3832)

[VTECSiGAH8R]

I'm noticing that within the past month it seems like GM is pushing forward a ton of performance ideas, it's almost overwhelming, almost ;). Lemme see, the SSR was supposed to have 280 hp, but now they say it will have 330 hp (more power always is better, especially that much more), they're gonna make a V8 Grand Prix withing 2 years, a V8 RWD Monte Carlo within 2 years, a V8 Trailblazer SS, a V8 Bonneville, and more. www.fordvschevy.com at the "Chevy" section has all of the news about that stuff. Dunno how true it is, but the authorr off the news didn't say anything about doubts.

There will also be an inline-5 Bel Aire (I think it's inline-5 right?) they will make, which should be interestting. Oh yeah, there will also be the LS2 Gen IV CTS V 5.3L w/ over 340 hp and the upcoming Vette will get the same engine along with a 6.3L version for '05-'06. And then there is the thing about engines from 2.8L-3.8L OHC engines that will should have in excess of 255 hp for the top version (because the 3.6L is 255 hp in it's original form supposidly), and this is just in the original form, it should be able to go quite a bit higher with improvement. If this stuff is genuinely true, I am interested into looking at what GM will be rolling out within the next 4 years.

[badassgrandam99]

...i haven't read any confirmation on the Bel Aire concept going into production... but it did have an Inline-5...

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by VTec
There will also be an inline-5 Bel Aire (I think it's inline-5 right?)

GM will soon have two new engines, both based off the new 4.2 liter inline six. They are going to make an inline 5 and an inline 4 out of the six currently being used. Added some balance shafts and thing to make them function properly and feel good, and boom, 2 new engines. They said the I6 shares 76% of it's components with the new I5 and I4. The I5 and the I4 share 88% of their components with each other. Sounds good to me. Should make parts easy to come by. Simplicity.. gotta love it.

Horsepower ratings as they stand now.

I6 - 270 - 4.2 liter
I5 - 215 - 3.5 liter
I4 - 170 - 2.8 liter

PS, sorry, did the quote manually. Name is shortened.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Wow, I read something a year or so ago saying that GM was gonna roll out L4s, L5s, and L6s but I didn't really think that they could get it done so fast. Of course, then again I thought that each engine design would be quite different and not just the same with less cylinders. That's a good idea though. I kinda like the sound of L5s too because they have a sort of low growl at idle, but when u gun it it has a Viper sound to it. My friend's Acura Vigor sounds badass without exhaust, but with exhaust those things really sound like Vipers.

[WOLF]

Don't know if I want my car to sound like a Viper, most people complain that the Viper has the worst exhaust note compaired to the Z06 and Cobra, and I have heard a GTS about a week ago and I would agree that it sucks, especially at full throttle. Idle is cool but tap the gas and it makes you shiver and wish you had a big block V-8 instead.

Makes me wonder why they just didn't bring back the Hemi when they made that car, would have saved weight and made the same amount of power easily. Better exhaust note included.:)

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Well the thing I like about the Viper sound is that it is more unique, but I definately agree that the Corvette note is much nicer. It's deeper, throatier, and somewhat refined at idle (which is a little different than tweaked big block v8's that sound rough at idle sometimes and even more menacing-but that would get annoying IMO). But once u punch that pedal on a Vette, it opens up like a maniac, and I love that. Surpisingly, even though the Viper sounds more refined when u punch it, motor trend said that it idles kinda rough and the Z06 has a much nicer and preferable idle. You know the engine's there but it won't shake you to death. I think that is the key.

[TLS2000]

And what is one thing that ALL of those cars have that the Grand AM does not???

ON-STAR!!!

Why are we left out? GM doesn't love us!!!

Not that I really care, but if the Sunfire gets it, the Grand Am should certainly get it!

Other than that, I looked at the GA GXP and fell in love. I now have a future replacement vehicle for my 2000 GT. If they produce it that is.

Of course, I'll take an F-body over any N-body any day of the week. GM make a new Camaro and Trans Am!!!

BTW, to the poster who said that GM's only had the 3.8l as their performance engine: LS1 - 350HP NA 5.7l, can be modified for 700+ with money. Tranny will die before the engine.
LS6 - 405HP NA 5.7l based off of LS1.

The current 3.8l has nothing in common with the previous 3.8l.

Totally new design with the same displacement.

The LS1 5.7L has nothing in common with the LT1 or LT4 5.7l.

Totally new design with the same displacement.

[Vintalage]

Originally posted by TLS2000
And what is one thing that ALL of those cars have that the Grand AM does not???

ON-STAR!!!

Why are we left out? GM doesn't love us!!!

Not that I really care, but if the Sunfire gets it, the Grand Am should certainly get it!

Other than that, I looked at the GA GXP and fell in love. I now have a future replacement vehicle for my 2000 GT. If they produce it that is.

Of course, I'll take an F-body over any N-body any day of the week. GM make a new Camaro and Trans Am!!!

BTW, to the poster who said that GM's only had the 3.8l as their performance engine: LS1 - 350HP NA 5.7l, can be modified for 700+ with money. Tranny will die before the engine.
LS6 - 405HP NA 5.7l based off of LS1.

The current 3.8l has nothing in common with the previous 3.8l.

Totally new design with the same displacement.

The LS1 5.7L has nothing in common with the LT1 or LT4 5.7l.

Totally new design with the same displacement.

Yes, thats the same way I feel. Why does sunfire get onstar and xm and grand am, a bigger car with a higher price tag and more features does not? But then again, the Vibe does not have XM or Onstar but it has a Navigation option. It will be getting XM and onstar for 2004 I believe. The next grand am better have a navigation option.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by Vintalage


Yes, thats the same way I feel. Why does sunfire get onstar and xm and grand am, a bigger car with a higher price tag and more features does not? But then again, the Vibe does not have XM or Onstar but it has a Navigation option. It will be getting XM and onstar for 2004 I believe. The next grand am better have a navigation option.

Difference on the Vibe is, it's basically a Toyota in disguise. But I agree the Grand Am gets neglected. It's bad when the Sunfire has things on us. :rolleyes:

Edit: The GA's are available with XM radio btw.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

I don't see what the big deal about OnStar is, seems to me that a Cellphone and a navigation system would be less of a hassle and more time efficient.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
I don't see what the big deal about OnStar is, seems to me that a Cellphone and a navigation system would be less of a hassle and more time efficient.

Guess I should have said it... lol But I was more referring to the fact that the Sunfires have a higher wattage Monsoon system then us. That truly sucks. 400 watts in a Sunfire. wtf

[Vintalage]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001


Guess I should have said it... lol But I was more referring to the fact that the Sunfires have a higher wattage Monsoon system then us. That truly sucks. 400 watts in a Sunfire. wtf

Noticed that too. 400 watts. It's weird how gm does things. The onstar system has it's pros and cons. It should be offered if sunfire offers it though.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

I think it might have to do with the fact that GAs already had the system in for a while, so the Sunfires get an upgrade and GAs are likely next.

Also, Sunfires are trying to appeal to younger people because the car is too small for families, the car is too small for people that want the lest possible hassle getting in and out of a car (old people), and it's the cheapest Pontiac and is trying to compete with imports, so anything kid-oriented they can do to boost sales, they will do. Hell, the GA has enough sales as it is, why would they have reason to change it b4 changing their slower selling cars?

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by VTECSiGAH8R
Hell, the GA has enough sales as it is, why would they have reason to change it b4 changing their slower selling cars?

Cuz I'm greedy and can never have enough power or sound. :thumbs: