My RSM SC experience>>

[IrateSpeed6]

Well, after the long haul into Canada, I dropped my car off to the guys at RSM for the install of my supercharger, and also had them change out the motor mount for good measure. Install took about three days due to the oil needs of the centrifugal charger and the fact that I had California/NY emissions on my car (d'oh).

So after many sleepless nights (two), I finally got to pick my car up from the friendly people who worked on it. When they handed me my keys, I practically ran to the car and opened the hood... man that thing is beautiful. They even threw in a K&N breather.

So on first startup... I noticed right away the whine from the blower... man that sounds sick! When you get on it and let off, the blow off valve is true music. Once out on the road, the car pulls SOOO much harder... traction is definately an issue now. On the highway, the car accelerates like crazy... its a huge difference.

As for the computer, the transmission line pressure is increased, there's no MAF sensor on my car anymore, the fuel table "potential" has been expanded for the OBDII to learn the flows of the SC... other than that, its left stock. RSM promised to recall my computer once they are done figuring out a perfect one with the help of some SC companies like Vortech.

So that's that... here are some pictures:

[IrateSpeed6]

God-willing, I'm going to be heading to the track within the next couple of weeks depending on the weather... and I'll definately get a dyno run done this winter over christmas break...

The pictures aren't the best, I had my dad send them from his camera... we're going to have to have a "compression discussion"... :D

[jaketuff]

Awesome Rob!!! Glad to hear that it all got done, especially playing with the NY/CA emission junk. I bet she is pulling very hard, what boost do you run her at - 7-9lbs peak right? Did you end up putting the cat back on?

BOV is schweet too.... :thumbs: (You need to do a song/vid of that and the car now!)

Pat

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by jaketuff
I bet she is pulling very hard, what boost do you run her at - 7-9lbs peak right? Did you end up putting the cat back on?
Well, I'll be installing a boost guage soon, so I'll know then... as for the cat, its going back on along with a QTEC...

[iceman]

OMFG... just took a ride in Rob's car... all i gotta say is I've never been in a GA that can lay wheels at 20mph before.. my car feels really slow now :(


vids coming asap!!!

[Rba007]

Awesome man! If it werent for people like you, the rest of us could think we have awesome cars...:D

[UNCTYPE-S]

if ya dont mind me asking, can you give me a rough figure on how much it took for all this. the parts, sc, as well as the install. everything. thanks.

[IrateSpeed6]

well, the SC and all necessary parts you can get from RSM (http://www.rsmracing.com) , the kit comes complete with everything you need except a super-thin $60 battery. I had the tranny mount changed, that was about $180... and install... about 20 hours +/- 7.5 (I forget exactly how long it took them), you figure $35/hour rate, thats about $700.

Obviously the install figures are highly theoretical, I suggest e-mailing your local speed shop and ask them how much they would charge for a complete install.

[Sorry_Officer]

Originally posted by iceman
OMFG... just took a ride in Rob's car... all i gotta say is I've never been in a GA that can lay wheels at 20mph before.. my car feels really slow now :(


vids coming asap!!!

Sweet to hear about the SC. I was thinking about gettting it BUT I already maxed out the stock fuel system. Just be gentle on your tranny.

As for laying rubber at 20mph, I can do that:D It's fun especially when you are next to a import and your car starts going sideways at 20mph from wheelspin.

I have found a new hobby that you should look into too, it's called saving up for tires.

I run Bridgestone PP SO3's, $155 a tire,:eek:

[GregFarz78]

I cant wait to take a ride...it was loud over the phone when you guys called me I could hear the whine :thumbs:

Lemme know when you're going to the track I'll try and make it.

[BMOBYLE]

Yeah god job irate!!!

I wanna take a ride w/ you someday.
Now I guess Headers won't fit now or what???
Or did they say not to do that anyway for boost purposes?

[GregFarz78]

Its a centrifugal supercharger not sure you could do headers. Does that work the same as a turbo they had to fab a custom manifold for the s/c?

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by GregFarz78
Its a centrifugal supercharger not sure you could do headers. Does that work the same as a turbo they had to fab a custom manifold for the s/c?

No, it is just a regular non-intercooled shaft driven SC. The manifolds are the same intake/exhuast making the kit a "bolt-on." Good power out of the Vortechs though, better than the Eaton-roots, but less durable is what I have heard. How many miles does on really expect though? Laying rubber and WOT moves make one not to expect 150k miles out of these suckers.

150k would be good though!!!;)
JOUT

[mfuller]

Very nice, Rob. Are we placing bets yet on when your transmission will start screaming for mercy?

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by mfuller
Very nice, Rob. Are we placing bets yet on when your transmission will start screaming for mercy?
AAh, shhhh. There will be no talk of that mister. The line pressure increase should help the life, and I only put about 8,000 miles on my car/year (most of it 300+ mile drives on the highway)... I guess I should probably cut down on the tom-foolery a bit, eh?

[Sorry_Officer]

Originally posted by IrateGT

AAh, shhhh. There will be no talk of that mister. The line pressure increase should help the life, and I only put about 8,000 miles on my car/year (most of it 300+ mile drives on the highway)... I guess I should probably cut down on the tom-foolery a bit, eh?

Line pressure increase is good yet bad. Yeah when you up line pressure it promotes less slippage of gear engagement "where most tranny damage is done" BUT the harder the tranny engages the more wear and tear on physical parts of the tranny not just the gear teeth and engagement parts. So on one hand you have less damage to gear teeth and clutch parts, but on the other hand you have more stress on the assembly as a whole. Either way you are playing with fire, then again who doesn't like to play with fire??

[DavidScott77]

Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that you spent over $5000 to supercharge you Ga and it will probably only run 14's? Must be nice to be rich and throw around 5g's. Hey I have a credit card that I could pay off. Have another 5K you need to loosen from your wallet? WOW! No offense Irate. Yeah your one of the few to have a boosted GA, but is spending that much cash REALLY worth what little performance you're gonna get out of it? Now if it added enough power to hit 300+HP fine. But like you said, its completely stock. Other than that, it does look cool, but not for the price.

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by DavidScott77
Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that you spent over $5000 to supercharge you Ga and it will probably only run 14's? Must be nice to be rich and throw around 5g's. Hey I have a credit card that I cou....Yeah your one of the few to have a boosted GA...

Well you answered your own question. One of the few. Congrats Rob. Boost ain't cheap. $5,000 is not a lot of money when it comes to adding boost. To take the GA from a 15.7 to a likely 14.2 with the RSM is not bad at all. You have to drive it to appreciate it!!! The GA feels fast with boost, w/o it the car barely feels sporty at all. Barely, with minor mods(intake/exhuast), get heads and then we're talking... okay, start flaming me...... NOW!;):D

JOUT

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by jaketuff
Boost ain't cheap. $5,000 is not a lot of money when it comes to adding boost. To take the GA from a 15.7 to a likely 14.2 with the RSM is not bad at all. You have to drive it to appreciate it!!!
Thank you pat... and frankly davidscott, take a ride in my car and you'll think different.

Boost is not cheap, take a look at most quality kits and you'll see the RSM kit is actually average to less-than-average in cost... its not $5,000 btw. Yeah the SC kit I have may only add 50-60 hp, but that doesn't mean that it is the full potential of the kit. I could put a smaller pulley on there and create almost 14lbs of boost if I wanted to, cranking out over 100 hp, but what the hell good would that be? I'd ruin my tranny and engine. This kit will run safely and consistently on my car for many tens of thousands of miles...

It was NOT a waste thank you.

[Tonyyank]

Nice to hear Rob!!! Cant wait to see it in person!!! need to get that boost gauge in there now :D I want a ride!! Heard it though Seth celly...WOW :eek: need to get rid of that speed limiter and get a vid of that!!

:thumbs: :thumbs:

[mjhurley1]

Originally posted by IrateGT

It was NOT a waste thank you.

I agree.

Very nice, Irate. I will be ordering mine soon. :thumbs:

[badassgrandam99]

...very sweet Rob... i'll be down in Cherry Hill with my friend Tony this weekend... maybe i'll take a swing over to Philly to check out the whip... and i felt sooooo happy when i had my CAI installed and my car made a nice growl... it's pointless for me to save for a Supercharger though since i have 73k miles on my car already... i wanna ride in the car now sooo bad!!!

[DavidScott77]

As long as your happy Irate, thats all that matters. I'll wait for the price to come way down. In the mean time I'll stay with something that has a bigger displacement for my power needs.

[cavingman]

I want a ride at GAP03!!! :D

[Pacman]

i'm glad to hear that everything went as planned and its already installed. it didnt seem like it took that long at all. those are some really nice pics! be sure to get some video up for us, or AT LEAST sound clips SOON. i bet those were some sleepless nights, cause i'll tell you its not easy for me either. just having the vortech unit inside your room for awhile does not help at all. i mean, spinning the turbine with your fingers just doesnt feel as good anymore... :( i really need to have mine installed soon too, but im still awaiting my second box from RSM in canada. sounds like you got a similar install rate on yours too, mine should be around $650 and im having it dyno'd for an additional $65 the same day. from what i hear from just the 2.4L guys, the BOV is really loud. how does the whining sound compare to the eaton/magnuson chargers?
overall, i think you picked the right charger to go with. it might be the most expensive but it sure does give the ~40% increase from stock that you need :thumbs: great looking car! i'll post up once i get my charger installed, i'm ordering a digital camcorder before december 20th, so i'll have some video coming with mine :)

[Rba007]

I hate you guys...:D Im gonna be needin rides from both ya at the GAP!!! Pac, you know youll have to be there, cause ill need some time alone with your car to steal parts...

[iceman]

Supercharger in action... My vid cap box is busted so all I can give ya is some sound clips for now.

Here's one of a cold start

http://iceman.draepi.org/vortech1.mp3


Sweet drive-by and then a short rev

http://iceman.draepi.org/vortech2.mp3


Going nuts in a tunnel

http://iceman.draepi.org/vortech3.mp3


Burning rubber @ 20 mph (twice :) )

http://iceman.draepi.org/vortech4.mp3

[GregFarz78]

Originally posted by DavidScott77
Holy Sh*t!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that you spent over $5000 to supercharge you Ga and it will probably only run 14's? Must be nice to be rich and throw around 5g's. Hey I have a credit card that I could pay off. Have another 5K you need to loosen from your wallet? WOW! No offense Irate. Yeah your one of the few to have a boosted GA, but is spending that much cash REALLY worth what little performance you're gonna get out of it? Now if it added enough power to hit 300+HP fine. But like you said, its completely stock. Other than that, it does look cool, but not for the price.

Dude why must you bash everyone go out and buy your damn rustang already and stop bitching :rolleyes: He didnt ask if he wasted his money. Christ try to be a little open minded.

A message brought to you buy your resident ricer :rolleyes:

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by iceman
Supercharger in action... My vid cap box is busted so all I can give ya is some sound clips for now.
Seth and I definately are planning on making a proper "teaser" video when I get some time... god knows he'll have plenty of it :rolleyes: :D Maybe we can do it this saturday Seth?

[GregFarz78]

I'll come sat to check that out!

[SC/T02]

Buy some B&M Trick Shift for the Trans. Have the fluid replaced and put that in your car. I have had some F-bodies (T/A) and if you go to any high preformance site they will tell you to use it. I knew a guy that had a 720RWHP Trans AM that went through 2 trans. I told him to put it in his next trans. He did and so far he has done 18,000 miles on it with no prob. The other 2 did not last 4k. That should help a little if you want your tans to last. Just my 2 cents.

[Ackbar00]

Originally posted by GregFarz78


Dude why must you bash everyone go out and buy your damn rustang already and stop bitching :rolleyes: He didnt ask if he wasted his money. Christ try to be a little open minded.

A message brought to you buy your resident ricer :rolleyes:


By the way, My RUSTANG runs 12.75@109.00, What does you GA run? He made a valid point that spending 5000$ on a SC is a ****tload of cash. I could buy a www.itsturbo.com Twin kit for the mustang for 3500$ that all but promised 500HP at the wheels on a stock engine. Yeah Boost is not cheap but I will run you in the SHO any time you want.:cheers:

[iceman]

Originally posted by Ackbar00



By the way, My RUSTANG runs 12.75@109.00, What does you GA run? He made a valid point that spending 5000$ on a SC is a ****tload of cash. I could buy a www.itsturbo.com Twin kit for the mustang for 3500$ that all but promised 500HP at the wheels on a stock engine. Yeah Boost is not cheap but I will run you in the SHO any time you want.:cheers:

Greg was referring to the fact that David's comments really weren't necesary.. Rob wasn't looking for opinions on where to spend his money.

For the record, Greg doesn't have a GA anymore, he was a long time owner and now has a Sentra SE-R Spec V that will give your SHO a run for its money down the strip.

[mfuller]

WARNING: TRASH TALKING AND/OR FLAMING WILL LOCK THIS THREAD!

I don't want to be the board nazi, but please keep things civil.

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by SC/T02
Buy some B&M Trick Shift for the Trans.

Isn't that the "Blue Death???" I believe that's the fluid with the grit present in it. This fluid will ruin any intricate FWD tranny. I WOULD NOT USE IT EVER. It has particles within it that are supposed to make the clutches bite harder, more consistently.

The guys at AAMCO love to joke about it, they have fixed many a tranny that grinded itself to death on that shi+. These guys are not conmen, sketchy, or the like... they are straight up about things, with me anyways. They saw my SC and knew I wasn't the typical uninformed driver - they didn't even charge me for scanning the car and a 45minute ride around with the tech.

The senior guys there/owners went as fas as saying that this fluid would rub the skin of your fingers if you rubbed it hard enough between them... and just think of the pressure your tranny ooperates with...:eek:

Description
Trick Shift was originally developed by B&M for racing applications. It has become so successful that it's the most popular high performance fluid on the street also! Not an additive, this is the best performance ATF available! A scientific blend of foam inhibitors, pressure agents and shift modifiers that will provide extended transmission life and drastically improved shift feel. Trick Shift is the easiest way to measurably improve the transmission performance of your vehicle. Trick Shift works with all automatic transmissions* when a firmer shift is desired. 'Pour in Performance' is not just a catchy phrase - it's reality! It can be mixed with stock-type transmission fluids, however to attain maximum improvement you should use Trick Shift exclusively. Ideal for towing, light trucks and RV applications as well as racing. *Not recommended for electronic controlled transmissions.
http://www.bmracing.com/products/fluids_auto/atf.html

.50?:D
Pat

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by Ackbar00



I could buy a www.itsturbo.com Twin kit for the mustang for 3500$ that all but promised 500HP at the wheels on a stock engine.

Not to flame you, but there would be a lot of parts blowing w/500HP... so it would certainly end up costing you at least $5k as well....

Pat

[Gator]

Although I don't necessarily agree with the way DavidScott77 presented his opinion, I have to agree with the feelings expressed. Call me ultra conservative, but, I don't feel that is a very good "return on investment" performance wise. I was all set to get a M/E SC when they first came out, but when I heard the "actual" gains I decided against it (that and I don't trust the transmission in my car). That $ is now a CBR600 :)

I am glad you are happy with it Irate! As I have ALWAYS said "it's your car, and so your opinion is the only one that TRULY matters" If you feel you spent your $ wisely then who are we to say otherwise, right? Sounds like you will have a blast with your new "toy" just be careful....these trannys are so brittle (at least mine seems to be) Can't wait to hear how you run against the M/E boost bros! :)

Richard
"Gator"

[SC/T02]

I wish I still had my Black Bird Trans Am ....* I ran a 12.4 at 123MPH on stock tires. This was also done in a stock car. It would have been kinda fun to ...blatant racing taunt, unnecessary....* :thumbs:

...=edit, go easy - , JT

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by mfuller
WARNING: TRASH TALKING AND/OR FLAMING WILL LOCK THIS THREAD!
I would appreciate it if you kept my thread open. Just delete the unnecesary posts...

Back on topic, I think I'm going to stick with my stock fluid and just check it a bit more frequently for burning etc. If the tranny goes, then it looks like I'll be side-by-side with jaketuff trying to get the GTP tranny into the car... The biggest hurdle: the PCM. :mad:

[Tom2K2GAGT]

Originally posted by cavingman
I want a ride at GAP03!!! :D

Me too--I would Love to see how fast the car is with boost!!

Later :D

[jonwepa]

Anyways congrats on the purchase and good luck ! I really think that headers and cat back would make a HUGE difference hope to see ya at ATCO with some low 14 sec. timeslips:boogie:

[SPAZ]

I'm glad to see you got your install done. I hope everything is fine with the car. I can't wait for you to kick some ass on the street/track.......:thumbs:

[Pacman]

second box just got delivered! installation of my RSM charger is scheduled for tomorrow!! yeah :thumbs:! right behind you irate! i guess its to2fst, you, and me now with RSM chargers.

sorry, just got a little excited hehe :D

[embe]

Originally posted by IrateGT

trying to get the GTP tranny into the car... The biggest hurdle: the PCM. :mad:

I might be way off in left field here, but why don't you guys use the PCM from the 3.4 montana with the 4T65?

[mfuller]

Originally posted by embe


I might be way off in left field here, but why don't you guys use the PCM from the 3.4 montana with the 4T65?
I thought of that too, but I think the serial data going to the IP is different.:(

[Ackbar00]

Originally posted by iceman


He has a Sentra SE-R Spec V that will give your SHO a run for its money down the strip.

Bring it on. The track opens in 4 months. Or I could whip that Spec V on the street. :tool:


mfuller - I am very civil.

IrateGT - I am not trying to LOCK your thread. Just trying to help a brother out, that is all.

[Ackbar00]

Originally posted by jaketuff


Not to flame you, but there would be a lot of parts blowing w/500HP... so it would certainly end up costing you at least $5k as well....

Pat

Not if you left the boost level at the stock setting. It would strees things a little, but it would work just fine. (My brothers mustang was 100% stock with a cartech turbo kit on it.)

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by jaketuff


Isn't that the "Blue Death???" I believe that's the fluid with the grit present in it. This fluid will ruin any intricate FWD tranny. I WOULD NOT USE IT EVER. It has particles within it that are supposed to make the clutches bite harder, more consistently.

The guys at AAMCO love to joke about it, they have fixed many a tranny that grinded itself to death on that shi+. These guys are not conmen, sketchy, or the like... they are straight up about things, with me anyways. They saw my SC and knew I wasn't the typical uninformed driver - they didn't even charge me for scanning the car and a 45minute ride around with the tech.

The senior guys there/owners went as fas as saying that this fluid would rub the skin of your fingers if you rubbed it hard enough between them... and just think of the pressure your tranny ooperates with...:eek:

Description
Trick Shift was originally developed by B&M for racing applications. It has become so successful that it's the most popular high performance fluid on the street also! Not an additive, this is the best performance ATF available! A scientific blend of foam inhibitors, pressure agents and shift modifiers that will provide extended transmission life and drastically improved shift feel. Trick Shift is the easiest way to measurably improve the transmission performance of your vehicle. Trick Shift works with all automatic transmissions* when a firmer shift is desired. 'Pour in Performance' is not just a catchy phrase - it's reality! It can be mixed with stock-type transmission fluids, however to attain maximum improvement you should use Trick Shift exclusively. Ideal for towing, light trucks and RV applications as well as racing. *Not recommended for electronic controlled transmissions.
http://www.bmracing.com/products/fluids_auto/atf.html

.50?:D
Pat

FYI - They have a special blend for GM FWD cars now.

[jaketuff]

Originally posted by Craig99SE2


FYI - They have a special blend for GM FWD cars now.

Oh, interesting, I have not seen this. If it has the material that they claim "..gives clutchpacks more bite..." than I would still stay away. There are many other choices.

Pat

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by jaketuff


Oh, interesting, I have not seen this. If it has the material that they claim "..gives clutchpacks more bite..." than I would still stay away. There are many other choices.

Pat

Here's the link:
http://www.bmracing.com/products/fluids_auto/synthTrickShift.html

I've called them when I was doing the custom turbo and talked to them at great length. They said this one was specifically designed for GM FWD Transmissions. He didn't mention "metallic" particles, but he did say it included a friction modifier similar to Limited Slip Gear Lube.

I know the old Trick Shift got a bad rap, but I also know people running 8-second cars that use it religiously! The general rule is if the tranny is in good shape, go for it. If the tranny is on it's last leg, adding this might put it out of it's misery!

The biggest drawback (for me when I was gonna use it) is price! It is like $5-7/quart and every trans shop told me I needed 14 quarts to fill the flush system which would completely replace my old fluid with Synthetic Trick Shift ... i.e. ~$100 including labor ... OUCH! I'm still considering it but prolly wait until Spring when I tear into the engine.

[Schweppe23]

I can't wait to see what your car will do. And next time we meet up you gotta give me a ride. Will the supercharger work with headers?
Congratulations!
Pat Lavanty

[IrateSpeed6]

Originally posted by Schweppe23
Will the supercharger work with headers?
That's a really good question... we'll have to take a look next time you're around...