Heisman

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Hey, I know most of you prolly think that Dorsey doesn't deserve the Heisman. However, after reading the local paper go on and on about why he should get it, and then hearing the ABC announcer make sarcastic comments at the Miami vs. SU game like "Oh, this guy DEFINATELY is not a Heisman candidate" after he would make an awesome throw, which he did all day, I have come to the conclusion that he deserves to win it.

Sure he doesn't have the stats to put up like Brad Banks but come on, 33-0, and his only loss as starter was his first game (I believe) against Washington, played at Washington with fear, and he still almost brought the team back. I mean sure this guy has had problems throwing consistantly this year, but rather than keep at it and bring the team down, he gave the ball to McGahee and let him take over to open up the passing game later.

He has patience.

He throws to a bunch of different players and doesn't have just one or two go-to guys.

He doesn't get over-excited and he is a leader.

Without Dorsey (even in a poor throwing form) the team would not function like it has the whole year, even with all the other talent. Right now, it seems like an insult to actually consider other players above him in the race just because he doesn't have the throwing stats, especially when it is someone from a team that has lost this year when Miami hasn't lost in 33 games.

I can understand that many would argue that McGahee deserves it, but I don't know because McGahee is a sophomore and his presence isn't as vital to the team unity. He definately is vital to pull off comfortable wins but not so vital for the function of the team as a whole. Also, McGahee shouldn't have trouble making it in the NFL (seing as how he is a huge running back that cuts harder than a cheetah and runs a 4.28 in the 40), while this might be it for Dorsey because he is a small and kinda scrawny guy. This might be his last chance for individual recognition.

Anyway, I just wanted to post this because I want to know what you guys think. I know a lot of people out there often question Dorsey's validity as a Heisman candidate.

[luniz]

Dorsey has a hell of a record, but honestly I haven't followed him much this year. What about Maurice Clarett? I know he was injured for a little bit this year, but he has done a lot for Ohio St and he is only a freshman. BTW what happened to the Dolphins on Sunday?

[eric99gt]

Maurice Clarett, Brad Banks, Dorsey....come on now guys all these players and u forget the most deserving. LARRY JOHNSON. He is only the 9th player in college history to go over 2000 yards. Also he holds the record for average yards a carry at 8.3
Now if that ain't deserving I don't know what is.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Actually Larry Johnson is one of the front runners ahead of Dorsey, but I don't think he is as important of a player as Dorsey as Penn State still lost 3 games with him at the helm. Dorsey has only lost 1 in 3 years as a starter (his first game too). And don't tell me that it was the other players because I know for a fact that the team would have lost quite a few without Dorsey.

To me (and many others), that is way more important than stats, and hopefully the Heisman will not go solely on stats, cuz that is stupid. If McGahee was the only talent on Miami's team and the O-Line was tailored for that, he could probably have run for 3000 yards (yes he's that good), but big deal, Miami likes to mix up the runningbacks and throw it, etc. because they can and it is more fair to other players. And obviously even a 2000 yard runner doesn't guarantee a win every time, teams have to be more balanced. Get the point?

BTW, talking about running backs, I just want to say everyone should watch Miami next year. If McGahee decides to stay another year (which is unlikely, but I hope it happens) there will also be another runningback by the name of Frank Gore. He was a local Miami runningback in high school, and let me say that our high school was one of the few to "shut him down" and only allow him to run 200 yards in one game. Every other game he got around 300+ yards, and Miami high schools didn't have slack defenses then. The guy is amazing, but he got injured and couldn't play this year. Hopefully he'll recover well.

[ALEROone]

Dorsey's record is hard to overlook, thus making him the # 1 candidate, buuuut, he is not even the best on the team. That McGahee kid is amazing and the best player on Miami.

Banks was unbelievable this year, but unfortunately for him, Iowa has had like 4 months off and he can no longer show his skills to the public eye, while Dorsey and McGahee have played like 4 games since Iowa's last game.

Larry Johnson had a great year.......... against the poor poor defenses. He racked up all his yards against MSU and teams like that while struggling bad against Iowa, Michigan and OSU. 2000 yards is great, but not when you can't run against the good defenses.

[eric99gt]

It doesn't matter where those yards came from. He had the chance to run against good teams and bad teams just like every other running back that has won the heisman. One of the reasons he didn't get alot of yards against OSU, Michigan, and Iowa was because we played from behind. What do teams do when playing from behind. THEY PASS therefore eliminating the ability to rack up yards. The thing to remember is he still averaged 6 yards a carry in those games they lost. Now what..

don't mean that to be arrogant

[ALEROone]

I'm simply passing along what most sports reporters on the radio and tv are saying, and quite frankly, I agree with them.

I don't really think it matters one way or another though. If Miami is still undefeated by the time the Heisman Selection Show is on, Ken Dorsey will be your winner, and I think they only have Va Tech left, and, well, they're no good sooo.......

[VaGT]

Larry Johnson...

All those yards, and he frequently came out of the game late in the 3rd or early in the 4th quarter because Joe does not run up the score like some teams do.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally posted by eric99gt
The thing to remember is he still averaged 6 yards a carry in those games they lost. Now what..

don't mean that to be arrogant

Now what? I'll tell ya "know what." That is the DUMBEST stat I have ever heard because the fact is that he still didn't propel them to a win. If he was a real number 1 contender he would have stepped up and done whatever he had to do to win the game.

In reality, you could pick up some guy that plays on a team that plays sorry teams all year long, tailor the offensive line for that runner, and run all over the other sorrry teams. But all that does is rack up stats and doesn't necessarily achieve the main goal: wins. Everyone knows that you can't win as much if you don't have a balanced offense, and to me he just represents an unbalanced offense. As amazing of a player as he is, he still didn't step up enough to make the team win on 3 occasions this year alone, 3 times more games than Dorsey lost in 3 years as starter at Miami. If he was a true leader then he would have led the rest of the team play better to pull back up.

BTW, in almost any game the running game decreases near the end in favor of passing or switching to a different running back depending on whether it is a blowout or whether the teams are close in score and need to pass, so you can't contribute his woes against good defenses to falling behind alone.

About McGahee, he would be my hands down choice if it wasn't for Dorsey's history.

Dorsey gave Miami 3 solid years, almost got into a National Championship and settled for 2nd one year, won a National Championship the next year, and here we are one win away from being in the Championship again, with good odds of winning it. If you can tell me any other leader of a team has done that in the last 3 years then I will STFU and Dorsey deserves nothing in lieu of this "other player." But of course everyone knows as I do that there is no other player. Portis ran the previous 2 years so McGahee wasn't really a part of that. If that doesn't make him the "most outstanding player" then I don't know what does. Also I think that letting a Sophomore win would be kinda disrespectful to the seniors, thus McGahee also shouldn't win in my mind. But either way, if a Miami player wins I'll be happy.

[eric99gt]

see the problem with these heisman trophies is that everybody is biased towards their team. Of course your gonna say Dorsey should win it because you like Miami. Now I on the otherhand like PSU so I'm a little biased towards Larry. I can definately say they are all great players and deserve some sort of accolade. Another problem with the heisman is that they never specifically say who should win it. The person with the best college career, Or the person with the best season the time the heismans are awarded. If its based on career Dorsey should get it no matter if they win or lose to VT, and if its about this season then Larry Johnson should get it hands down.

[VTECSiGAH8R]

Originally posted by eric99gt
see the problem with these heisman trophies is that everybody is biased towards their team. Of course your gonna say Dorsey should win it because you like Miami. Now I on the otherhand like PSU so I'm a little biased towards Larry. I can definately say they are all great players and deserve some sort of accolade. Another problem with the heisman is that they never specifically say who should win it. The person with the best college career, Or the person with the best season the time the heismans are awarded. If its based on career Dorsey should get it no matter if they win or lose to VT, and if its about this season then Larry Johnson should get it hands down.

I'll agree to that :cheers: The Heeisman really is too vague and I must say that I'm biased and I know it. I've just been seeing McGahee all year and he is so fast and big and strong that it is hard to imagine that there are better runningbacks, especially wince he broke so many records Miami had in just one year of running.

[ALEROone]

Originally posted by eric99gt
The thing to remember is he still averaged 6 yards a carry in those games they lost. Now what..


Not trying to add any fuel to the fire, but I'm pretty sure he only averaged 4 yards a carry in the losses. Still a great yards per carry stat, but not one that will win him the heisman.

[Timo]

I may have missed it, but has anyone mentioned Carson Palmer? Anyone who thinks that Brad Banks is a candidate should look at the numbers. Palmer stats for the last six games are almost equal to Banks' stats for 12 games. Granted Banks play in the Big Ten(boring) where they run the ball all the time.

This is not a biased arguement either. I live in Minnesota and went to UCLA. So for me to make an arguement for a player from USC, well, hell has frozen over.

[eric99gt]

Originally posted by ALEROone


Not trying to add any fuel to the fire, but I'm pretty sure he only averaged 4 yards a carry in the losses. Still a great yards per carry stat, but not one that will win him the heisman.

ya u were right. I got that stat from a unreliable source. But take a look at this article. Very well written and states only the facts.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/4670204.htm

makes refrence to how in those 3 games he didn't rack up many yards but in reality he actually had some quite impressive #'s during those games.