New Camaro

[spartan0199]

By JOE GUY COLLIER

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER




General Motors Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner stands with the award-winning Camaro concept car while announcing that GM will build an all-new production version of the Chevrolet Camaro in Traverse City on Thursday. (JOHN MARTI/AFP photo/Ho/GM)
General Motors Corp. officially announced Thursday morning at its tech center in Warren that it will be bringing the Chevrolet Camaro to market in early 2009.

The Camaro revives a two-door muscle car born in 1966 and canceled in 2002. The new Camaro will offer both a V6 and V8 engine.

The direct competitor will be the Ford Mustang. The Chrysler Group also is reviving its own muscle car, the Dodge Challenger, for 2008.

GM officials would not provide pricing information, but the Camaro will carry the Chevy philosophy of being the best value in its segment, said Chevy general manager Ed Peper.

The new Camaro should hit what GM sees is a growing segment for affordable sports cars, Peper said. He expects the Camaro to appeal to both baby-boomers who remembered the original Camaro and young buyers who weren’t around for the muscle-car era of the 1960s and 70s.

“This is one of our proudest days in Chevrolet and GM’s history,” Peper told a crowd of GM employees and Camaro enthusiasts gathered for Thursday’s event in Warren. “We’re once again going to build the muscle car that dominated the streets of America and the hearts of faithful enthusiasts everywhere.”

[lvemy3100]

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35491

[gaowners32]

That mailbu ss doesnt look bad either

[caraudiodave]

malibu ss is old news. its just a G6 GTP with a malibu body.

i might get on the waiting list for the new camaro. thats about when ill be in the market for a sports car.

[MSJHWT]

I can't wait....this car will be mine!

[Mike Jung]

Camaro to roar back on scene in 2009
GM to bring back legendary coupe

Oshawa in running to build new model
Aug. 11, 2006. 01:00 AM
TONY VAN ALPHEN
BUSINESS REPORTER


The buzz has turned into a roar for the legendary Chevrolet Camaro but some analysts are already wondering whether the growling will wind down to a whimper when the legendary muscle sports car finally arrives in showrooms.

Rick Wagoner, chief executive for General Motors Corp., announced yesterday the struggling auto maker will start selling the Camaro coupe again in early 2009 after a seven-year absence.

The move follows big buzz at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January for the Camaro concept.

However, analysts said, among other things, the model could be coming to the muscle car party too late to make any lasting noise in a shifting marketplace.

"There is some serious downside," said auto watcher Dennis DesRosiers.

Wagoner didn't disclose where GM will build the Camaro but its pending flexible manufacturing complex in Oshawa and a sports car plant in Wilmington, Del., are the leading candidates.

Analysts argue it will be difficult for GM because rivals already have a good head start in the small muscle car segment; low and high-end roadsters are cutting into the niche; expensive insurance dampens interest and fuel prices show no sign of easing for the traditional gas guzzlers.


The success of the Ford Mustang in recent years renewed interest by rivals but, DesRosiers said, the number of models will make it tougher to make money.

Mustang sales in Canada and the U.S. topped 170,000 last year. Seeing the potential, DaimlerChrysler reincarnated the Dodge Charger and is bringing back the Challenger in 2008.

Meanwhile, numerous companies from DaimlerChrysler to BMW have introduced roadsters to their lineups in recent years. Those vehicles cater to the particular needs and desires of consumers who might have also considered a muscle car in the past, according to analysts.

In GM's case, the company can't keep up with demand for the Pontiac Solstice sports car. It also produces the popular Saturn Sky. Auto watchers say the Camaro's return will result in some "cannibalization" within the GM lineup of sports cars.

Consumers have also shifted to smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles because of record gasoline prices in the U.S. and Canada. That continues to reduce the potential for muscle cars, according to analysts.

"Oil prices will likely stay in the $65 (U.S.) a barrel range for the next year or so," said Carlos Gomes, senior economist and auto industry specialist at Scotiabank. "I think it will be somewhat of a head wind for the muscle car segment."

But those factors are not deterring GM. It says the 2009 Camaro version will not only appeal to fans from a generation ago but women and younger drivers.

The car features V-6 or V-8 front engines with up to 400 horsepower, independent rear suspension, manual or automatic transmission and some of the same distinct Camaro styling cues from a generation ago including long hood, short deck and wide stance.

Wagoner said the Camaro, which went out of production in 2002 after a 35-year run, generated an overwhelming positive response with the showing in Detroit and reminded him of the "iconic place our products can have in customers' hearts."

"Camaro is much more than a car," he said. "It symbolizes America's spirit and its love affair with the automobile."

Insiders say the Camaro could be a "halo car" that would help attract customers to other GM models and boost overall sales.

"In that way, it could be very significant for GM," said DesRosiers.

He said sales of the Camaro should easily surpass 100,000 annually in the first two years but the model needs to maintain that level in subsequent years to justify the investment.

DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants, said critics question whether it would have made more business sense for GM to invest in big volume models than a niche product like the Camaro, regardless of its halo potential.

GM has not announced the names of the models for the manufacturing complex in Oshawa later this decade.

Insiders say the complex will likely build two or three high volume rear-wheel drive, mid-size models and possibly the Camaro.

GM built the aging Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird sports car at its Ste. Thérèse, Que. assembly plant, but closed the operation in August 2002 because of declining sales.
I wonder ?

If they will do a Pontiac Firebird & Trans AM version.

A Pontiac "Firehawk " by SLP sounds nice :heh:

[nascarnate326]

I wonder ?

If they will do a Pontiac Firebird & Trans AM version.

A Pontiac "Firehawk " by SLP sounds nice :heh:


Lord I hope not. Thats all pontaic needs, yet another rebadged car. Now if they bring it back based off of a Holden car, that mite be ok.

Make the cars different

[Mike Jung]

Lord I hope not. Thats all pontaic needs, yet another rebadged car. Now if they bring it back based off of a Holden car, that mite be ok.

Make the cars different
You didn't think the Pontiac Firehawk was different enough from a Camaro SS by SLP ?

& it (the Firehawk) had more HP lol

[nascarnate326]

Ive never been a firebird fan. never been a pontiac fan besides the GTO *new and old*

Seems like a failing brand to me. Though the GA was fun.

[MSJHWT]

You can not tell me that the past gen Camaro looked better than the past gen Firebird, or that the firebird was a "rebadged" Camaro. Granted it was all body-molding/cladding that differentiated the two cars, I'll pick a last gen Firebird every day of the week over a last gen Camaro.

[GregFarz78]

This new body style looks really good I only hope 2 things are true about this car

1. the ss version can be priced under 35k
2. they worked out all the awful body creaks and build quality issues of the previous models

It should sell well if they dont price themsevles out of the competition

[MSJHWT]

I'd personally like to see the top of the line model no more than 30k, you start getting 35k+....might as well look to the vette...can be had at 48k.

[caraudiodave]

I'd personally like to see the top of the line model no more than 30k, you start getting 35k+....might as well look to the vette...can be had at 48k.

35K and 48K are entirely different markets still. i could see an SS camaro go for nearly 40k...only if the new 'maro stirs enough interest. these days chevy couldnt sell anything for over 35k (except the vette).

[Pipelayaz]

I thought the new Camaro and GTO will both be based off of the Zeta platform together?

As for them making a new Firebird hey I support them 100%. As long as they wait for the success of the Camaro to take hold. But I seriously doubt they ever will. And if they do and make another Firehawk. Hire someone else other than SLP.

[BigTaters]

I'd personally like to see the top of the line model no more than 30k, you start getting 35k+....might as well look to the vette...can be had at 48k.


the thing is though back in around 2002 ish right before they killed off the camaro and ta i cant remember what division it was said(and proved it by road tests) that the camaro/trans am would actually out perform the vette back then if it had the corvette engine/tranny etc.. They never put the big engine in the priduction F bodies for that exact reason because GM would never want anything to rival their beloved vette but this company that ran the tests did and couldnt believe the results.. they actually had a top 20 performance comparison on tv and said the transam was dollar for dollar the best sports car you could buy and the vette was 2nd or 3rd i think..

now though the new vette is awesome but the talks of an SS camaro with 450-500 hp is just plain scary as well.. might be some competition for the vetter afterall who kbows

[Metallman56]

so who is going to be the first to admit they were wrong?

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56195&highlight=camaro

[Ajaxus]

ahahaha, metallman ftw

[coupe]

so who is going to be the first to admit they were wrong?

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56195&highlight=camaro


metallman56, you have earned the all mighty *I TOLD YOU SO YOU F-ING A-HOLES!!!!*.

lol

[Metallman56]

thank you Coupe. when i read the news this morning, i couldnt wait to find that thread. but i'm serious, who is going to be the first to admit it? atleast then i might still have some respect for who ever does.

[MSJHWT]

Well, they were right about it not coming out in 2006, which was your question haha

[Metallman56]

nice try, but i am not going to let the people that insulted me and my buddy off that easy. with asking that question my buddy was made fun of for, smoking crack, and liking electric superchargers. not to mention i kept hearing the camaro is "never coming back". just wondering who is going to be a man, and admit they were wrong. i'm willing to bet no one will, but i will give it a few days before i point any fingers.

[Pontiac Ninja]

You can not tell me that the past gen Camaro looked better than the past gen Firebird, or that the firebird was a "rebadged" Camaro. Granted it was all body-molding/cladding that differentiated the two cars, I'll pick a last gen Firebird every day of the week over a last gen Camaro.

AMEN!

[Rich]

nice try, but i am not going to let the people that insulted me and my buddy off that easy. with asking that question my buddy was made fun of for, smoking crack, and liking electric superchargers. not to mention i kept hearing the camaro is "never coming back". just wondering who is going to be a man, and admit they were wrong. i'm willing to bet no one will, but i will give it a few days before i point any fingers.

...or you could just get over it.

[nascarnate326]

Bobs not here to defend him self though...

[Cormaster]

Ok I don't really see pontiac as a dying brand, at first I did and I was a bit skeptical, but honestly everytime I see a G6 on the road I can't help but turn my head, and as for the last GTO, I was skeptical about it as well, but now honestly I really want one, just a car that small with 400hp. I think Pontiac is getting back more to its high performance roots now with the Solstice GXP, G6 GXP in the works, and Grand Prix GXP but I'm getting concerned now that the GTO is going away because the closest thing pontiac will have to a true sports car is the Solstice GXP! Whats raising my concerns more is GM isn't saying anything about whether there is to be a new firebird or a GTO based off the Camaro, its like for a while I heard rumors of both, and theirs even some german fansite on-oline in leiu of a retro styled Trans Am on the streets, but honestly I could go either way on it. Just as long as pontiac has some sort of V-8 powered RWD 400-500hp machine, and right now I"m not hearing sh*t, just a bunch of rumors. Anyone heard anything on the matter?

[MSJHWT]

AFAIK the GTO has been greenlighted, it is also on the Zeta platform and will be released as a 2009 model. The thing is, the GTO is going to be in another class, nicer and more expensive.
http://www.cleveland.com/autoshow/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/1141216290309520.xml&coll=2

New GTO coming around the bend
Wednesday, March 01, 2006
Joshua Dowling
Special to The Plain Dealer
Geneva, Switzerland- The Pontiac GTO isn't dead after all, says a top General Motors Corp. executive, who also hinted there might be a new ultra-fast Corvette coming.

The current GTO will be phased out at the end of this year, but an all-new model is expected to return at the end of 2008 as a 2009 model, said Bob Lutz, who heads GM's global vehicle development.

In an interview at the international auto show in Geneva, Switzerland, Lutz also suggested an even more powerful version of the Corvette might be on the way.

Industry insiders have talked about a "Blue Devil" Corvette that would be more powerful than the 505-horsepower Z06 that is currently the fastest Corvette.

Lutz stopped short of confirming that, saying: "There will be something special for the Corvette soon." When "Blue Devil" was mentioned, he simply smiled.

The GTO, however, is definitely on the way.

Last year, it appeared that GM had canceled any future GTOs as part of its efforts to reduce costs. And a Pontiac spokesman confirmed this year that the last GTOs would be sold this summer because the model wouldn't meet a new airbag standard taking effect in the fall. The spokesman said that the automaker would like to have another GTO but that there was nothing to announce.

But in the interview Tuesday, Lutz said the GTO plans were just off the shelf for a few months and he always wanted a new version.

The new GTO might be built in North America, particularly if the Chevrolet Camaro concept gets the go-ahead for production, he said.

Both the Pontiac GTO and Camaro could be based on GM's Zeta mechanical underpinnings, which are being developed by the company's Australian outpost, Holden, Lutz said.

With the current strength of the Australian dollar and the recent free-trade agreement between Australia and the United States, it would be more feasible to build the GTO in North America and export a version called the Holden Monaro to Australia, he said.

The GTO, which is based on the Monaro, has been built in Australia and shipped to America.

Dowling is motoring editor of the Sydney Morning Herald

[Ajaxus]

Ok I don't really see pontiac as a dying brand, at first I did and I was a bit skeptical, but honestly everytime I see a G6 on the road I can't help but turn my head, and as for the last GTO, I was skeptical about it as well, but now honestly I really want one, just a car that small with 400hp. I think Pontiac is getting back more to its high performance roots now with the Solstice GXP, G6 GXP in the works, and Grand Prix GXP but I'm getting concerned now that the GTO is going away because the closest thing pontiac will have to a true sports car is the Solstice GXP! Whats raising my concerns more is GM isn't saying anything about whether there is to be a new firebird or a GTO based off the Camaro, its like for a while I heard rumors of both, and theirs even some german fansite on-oline in leiu of a retro styled Trans Am on the streets, but honestly I could go either way on it. Just as long as pontiac has some sort of V-8 powered RWD 400-500hp machine, and right now I"m not hearing sh*t, just a bunch of rumors. Anyone heard anything on the matter?


if you don't see it as a "dying brand" then go look at their sales records and stocks over the last few years. pontiac and buick are at the bottom for all gm sales (or were last time i heard) that's why there is a huge push right now to remake pontiac as a performance line and push buick into the performance/luxury line of cars.

[Mike Jung]

http://www.thestar.com/images/thestar/img/060819_camaro_gm_300.jpg
Photo credit: CARLOS OSORIO/AP
It's expected the new production site for the revamped Camaro will be Oshawa's GM plant.

Ford stalls, GM tries to gear up
Aug. 19, 2006. 11:43 AM
TARA PERKINS
Toronto Star newspaper
BUSINESS REPORTER


General Motors Corp. is expected to announce Monday that Oshawa (ON, Canada) will be the production site for the new Camaro.

The announcement could be good news for Ontario's auto workers, who learned yesterday that Ford Motor Co. is about to lay off more than 300 workers in Windsor.

GM chief executive Rick Wagoner announced last week that the company will start selling the Camaro coupe again in early 2009. GM stopped making the Camaro in 2002, more than three decades after it was introduced.

The two leading candidates for the Camaro were a sports-car plant in Wilmington, Del., and the upcoming flexible manufacturing complex in Oshawa.

Newly re-elected Canadian Auto Workers president Buzz Hargrove said he's been invited to Oshawa for an announcement Monday, "but they haven't told me what it was."

GM announcing production of the Camaro in Oshawa would be "a very important decision, but it still is not enough production to keep the operation running," he said.

Hargrove characterized the move as a first step.

"We're still talking to them about the Delta platform. So, that will be an initial announcement, we've still got a lot of work to do is what it means for us."


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"It's a low-volume muscle car, so I don't think it's going to be huge ... but coupled with another platform, or so, it could make a big difference."

Buzz Hargrove, president, Canadian Auto Workers

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Hargrove said he wasn't sure what impact the Camaro announcement would have on jobs.

"It's a low-volume muscle car, so I don't think it's going to be huge ... but coupled with another platform, or so, it could make a big difference.

"It could mean the difference between, say, three shifts and two shifts, depending on what else we get in the plant. But if they're putting the Camaro in there, they're not going to put it in there in isolation of something else, so that's good," he said.

GM is spending $2.5 billion on Canadian projects in coming years, one of which will transform the Oshawa car plant into a flexible manufacturing facility that could build up to four different two- or four-wheel drive models. GM had not said what those might be.

The Ontario government committed up to $235 million to those projects.

Earlier this year, GM — Canada's biggest auto maker — announced closings and cutbacks in Oshawa that could cost 3,600 jobs. The current Oshawa facility, which includes two assembly lines, is running on five shifts.

"When we finalized our contract with GM, we made sure that contract included a new product mandate," said Ontario Minister of Economic Development and Trade Joseph Cordiano. "We knew it was crucial to secure the future of this plant."

While automotive analyst Dennis DesRosiers, of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants Inc., is "worried about the Camaro from a price point of view," he said the car "will be a success story. But, at the end of the day it will be a niche vehicle.

"It's everything that follows Camaro that I'm really interested in," DesRosiers said, referring to the models yet-to-be-announced for Oshawa.

"I think it's really exciting."

:slim

[SectoidBob]

Woo! Just in time for me to graduate from med school! And be in hardcore three figure debt. . . but I'd take any of these neo-muscle cars as a GA replacement/supplement in a couple years

It's gonna be tough deciding between Challenger/Camaro/GTO/GT500 later on

[cmoore]

There is a major announcement in Oshawa today that is apparently announcing the Camaro is being produced in Oshawa. Friends of mine in the trades at GM plant have been told to expect huge amounts of overtime over the next few months to get the Oshawa plant changed over to a flex manufacturing environment.

[nascarnate326]

[QUOTE=MSJHWT]AFAIK the GTO has been greenlighted, it is also on the Zeta platform and will be released as a 2009 model. The thing is, the GTO is going to be in another class, nicer and more expensive.
QUOTE]

This is music to my ears!! Though by then a 04-06 will be cheap...

[Mike Jung]

Oshawa to build Camaro
Aug. 21, 2006. 11:49 AM
TARA PERKINS
Toronto Star newspaper
BUSINESS REPORTER


General Motors announced Monday morning that it will build the new Camaro at its No. 2 plant in Oshawa, a $740 million investment by the car maker.
Production is set to begin in 2008, with the vehicles to hit showrooms in early 2009.

The move came after the Canadian Auto Workers union agreed to 2,500 early retirements to reduce costs at the plant to win the rights to make the new car.

The plant was scheduled to be closed in 2008 but will now stay open, saving about 2,700 jobs.

GM said it will invest about $740 million to turn the plant into a more flexible operation.

General Motors of Canada president Arturo Elias made the announcement to a gathering of GM employees and media in the car plant. The premier and provincial officials were present, as were union leaders.

Elias pulled up to the indoor stage in a 1969 Camaro, while CAW president Buzz Hargrove pulled up in a 1967 model.

Elias received a standing ovation when he made the announcement.

He said GM Canada worked for several months to land the deal for Oshawa.

"She looks nice, doesn't she?" he said, as a blue tarp was whipped off to unveil the new red Camaro.

Work will begin immediately to start preparing the plant for the new model, he said.

Premier Dalton McGuinty was booed by many of the hundreds of workers who gathered around to hear the announcement.

GM discontinued production of the car four years ago, putting 1,000 workers at a Ste-Therese, Que., plant out of work. That plant just north of Montreal was demolished to make way for a shopping centre.

Last year, the federal government joined with Ontario to invest $435 million in the company’s Ontario auto plants. Part of that money is helping to make the plants more flexible so they can accommodate the production of numerous models.

Earlier this month, GM Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner announced the decision to bring back the rear-wheel-drive Camaro. He said he hoped the new version of the Detroit icon will appeal to car enthusiasts, yet be more fuel-efficient and sophisticated than the 1969 version on which it is loosely based.

The company lost $3.2 billion (U.S.) in the second quarter alone, due mainly to employee buyouts and other restructuring costs. Its July sales were off 22.2 per cent from a year ago, led by declining demand for pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles.

The automaker expects to sell 100,000 Camaros a year, less than the remade Ford Mustang, which was the Camaro’s chief competitor from the 1960s through the end of its run in 2002. Ford Motor Corp. sold about 101,000 Mustangs through July of this year.

Production of the Camaro follows the Mustang and DaimlerChrysler AG’s Challenger as the domestic automakers turn to nostalgia to rekindle enthusiasm for their brands.

But the muscle cars go on sale as buyers are turning to smaller, more fuel-efficient cars and hybrid vehicles to combat gas prices that some say could rise as high as $4 (U.S.) per gallon, about $1.08 a litre.

--with files from Canadian Press
:applause:

[Cormaster]

I'm glad to hear the GTO will be rollin out. I'd really like to see a sporty division consisiting of the following cars:

Solstice GXP
G5 GXP
G6 GXP
G8 GXP
GTO

I'd also like to see the end of the vibe and the torrent. Granted I think the torrent could work if they'd do more with it, but right now I dont' really understand why its sister, the Saturn Vue, has this nice 250hp v-6, and the Torrent gets stuck with the old GAGT engine.

I'm glad they are going for upscale, and honestly I hope they don't retro it at all. I think pontiac is getting more and more defined everyday. I just noticed the SV6 is gone on the website, and honestly thats a good thing. Pontiac should of never had a mini-van to begin with!

[Tank]

I was watching a concept car show this weekend from 03. They were at the GM concept where house and as they passed by a computer screen there was computer image of the new camero. Dont really mean nothing, just thought it was weird that they were already designing it the yr. they ended production.

[Metallman56]

...or you could just get over it.

so you have no problem with people on this site flaming other people for a question, then ending being wrong? no wonder this site is starting to suck so bad. its filled with a bunch of punk kids, that not only WONT ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG, but all mods can say to the victims is "or you could just get over it". nice. so we can spend 2 days ragging on someone, who is not even a member of this site, for posting a false QM time. we can make him shut down his cardomain site, his guestbook, we can e-mail and IM him, all cause he didnt know what he was talking about. but when it comes down to members on this board not knowing what there talking about, well then we have to "just get over it". well however you guys want to run this site is your decision, but i will tell you that your loosing a lot of great people to other forums because of it.

[Ajaxus]

jim, it's not a big deal anymore. they were wrong, you were right. end of story.

besides, amraam isn't here to say he was wrong, so technically by that one argument you could drag this out forever.

[Metallman56]

your missing the big picture AJ. its not about who is right and wrong. its about how people on here treat one anther. this site is more like high school then anything. this is suppose to be a website where we help each other. not make each other feel like sh*t. you said it yourself, that your getting tired of it too. also its not the fact that they were wrong, its how they told me i was wrong. not just, "nope i hadnt heard anything about this, but your about the 10th person to ask about it" nope the way it was answered was insulting, and unessasary. and to top it off, they were the ones wrong. but did i ask them if they were smoking drugs, or insult them. no, i didnt. i called them out, and no one responded. not only that but a mod defended them. it just reflects the overall attitude of the site, and its sad.

[Ajaxus]

yeah some parts of this site im tired of, but i can apply that to most sites on the internet.

it's a known fact, people online don't give two sh!ts about anyone but themselves, and I've learned to accept that. you may not like the drama, but it isn't going to go away, it's everywhere. personally there are more things about this site that i like than i hate, that's why i'm still here.

Rich isn't trying to defend them so much as just let the argument drop. This thread proves that you were right in the first place and they were wrong, to take it any further makes you just like those you are complaining about. Just let it drop and be over with. It really isn't that big of a deal.

[lastyear4gt]

I'd personally like to see the top of the line model no more than 30k, you start getting 35k+....might as well look to the vette...can be had at 48k.

48K for a vette? Try again. The base vette is comming in alot closer to 100K these days. As for pricing on the camaro, look for $40-45 my guess. It will be priced similar to the mustang GT convertible I would imagine.

[Ajaxus]

48K for a vette? Try again. The base vette is comming in alot closer to 100K these days. As for pricing on the camaro, look for $40-45 my guess. It will be priced similar to the mustang GT convertible I would imagine.


taken directly from chevrolet.com

base coupe:
$44,995 USD

base convertible:
$52,910 USD

base Z06:
$70,000 USD

Fully Loaded Z06:
$77,425 USD

This is without taxes, title, license, and dealer fee's but you get the idea. I'm not quite sure where you got that 100k figure from, even if that's in canadian that's still very steep. Your local dealers must be ripping you off. And based off of these numbers, I'll put a base camaro down in the 33k-38k range.

[Rich]

so you have no problem with people on this site flaming other people for a question, then ending being wrong? no wonder this site is starting to suck so bad. its filled with a bunch of punk kids, that not only WONT ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG, but all mods can say to the victims is "or you could just get over it". nice. so we can spend 2 days ragging on someone, who is not even a member of this site, for posting a false QM time. we can make him shut down his cardomain site, his guestbook, we can e-mail and IM him, all cause he didnt know what he was talking about. but when it comes down to members on this board not knowing what there talking about, well then we have to "just get over it". well however you guys want to run this site is your decision, but i will tell you that your loosing a lot of great people to other forums because of it.


yes i do have a problem with people flaming other people. but i think that you are going about it the wrong way. the 4 people you quoted in your sig probably wont see it due to their lack of posting as of late. did you at least try to pm them or something and try to sort things out? what do you want them to say? also, to be fair, when i made that comment i wasnt a mod yet. you seem shocked that people act like this on the internet or at all.

it's a known fact, people online don't give two sh!ts about anyone but themselves, and I've learned to accept that. you may not like the drama, but it isn't going to go away, it's everywhere. personally there are more things about this site that i like than i hate, that's why i'm still here.

Rich isn't trying to defend them so much as just let the argument drop. This thread proves that you were right in the first place and they were wrong, to take it any further makes you just like those you are complaining about. Just let it drop and be over with. It really isn't that big of a deal.

AJ pretty much summed it up. so please, lets take it to the pms, continue on with the "OMGGG the camaro's coming back?!?!!?!? yesssssssssssssss!" posts, and lets not make this the first thread i close.

[MSJHWT]

taken directly from chevrolet.com

base coupe:
$44,995 USD

base convertible:
$52,910 USD

base Z06:
$70,000 USD

Fully Loaded Z06:
$77,425 USD

This is without taxes, title, license, and dealer fee's but you get the idea. I'm not quite sure where you got that 100k figure from, even if that's in canadian that's still very steep. Your local dealers must be ripping you off. And based off of these numbers, I'll put a base camaro down in the 33k-38k range.
Thanks for grabbing the numbers for me AJ.
I'd still really like to the Camaro coming in around 33k for a base Z28 or SS.

[Cormaster]

ok lol this is a little off topic but why's everyone bitch about how cheap the interiors are on the last generation camaro's and firebirds? Can they be any worse than any other GM car? I mean come on you have to replace window regulators on the grand am more than you have to change its oil! One day I got in my car and my dome light was just hanging from a wire from the ceiling! My reflector on my door fell off, and now my door squeaks when I open and close it! My passenger chair no longer moves at all, acctually I was letting a buddy out of the back seat and it got stuck in the foward position, and the switch wouldn't go down! Previous to owning the grand am, I had a '98 sunfire, mostly the same ****, a vent broke, the passenger chair broke...then their was the '93 acheiva, that damn thing sheded interior parts! in fact there was a plastic panel that broke off right above your feet, and would put pressure on your legs while you were driving!

All GM's have **** interiors not just camaros and firebirds. Granted looks like they are improving them now, but GM needs to stop using snap together "playschool plastic parts". I think whoever designs the interiors hates bolts, but needless to say I've seen the camaro's and firebirds, and they are no worse than any other GM vehicle.

[Mike Jung]

taken directly from chevrolet.com

base coupe:
$44,995 USD

base convertible:
$52,910 USD

base Z06:
$70,000 USD

Fully Loaded Z06:
$77,425 USD

This is without taxes, title, license, and dealer fee's but you get the idea. I'm not quite sure where you got that 100k figure from, even if that's in canadian that's still very steep. Your local dealers must be ripping you off. And based off of these numbers, I'll put a base camaro down in the 33k-38k range.
The Canadian Pricing from: http://www.gmcanada.com

Corvette Coupe starting from $67,805 MSRP (about $62.3K US)

Corvette Convertible starting from $79,905 MSRP (about $73.4K US)

Corvette Z06 starting from $89,900 MSRP (about $82.6K US)

So the best deal is the Z06 :drool:


So, yeah we are getting screwed.
But more money for GM, as the US dollar gets weaker.

[MSJHWT]

Interesting, one would wonder why they wouldn't just buy it in the US and drive it back?
Customs fees or other taxes?

[pyro]

america FTW :flag: lol

[Metallman56]

america FTW :flag: lol

thats about the smartest thing anyone has ever said on here. :flag:

[nascarnate326]

besides, amraam isn't here to say he was wrong, so technically by that one argument you could drag this out forever.

Do you know when he will be back?

[Ajaxus]

you'd have to ask an admin that one, if i had to guess it'd be either a 1 year ban or perma-ban. it's been a few months already if you look at his last post.

[Graxall]

nice try, but i am not going to let the people that insulted me and my buddy off that easy. with asking that question my buddy was made fun of for, smoking crack, and liking electric superchargers. not to mention i kept hearing the camaro is "never coming back". just wondering who is going to be a man, and admit they were wrong. i'm willing to bet no one will, but i will give it a few days before i point any fingers.
u ever find out if a b18 can hold 30lb of boost? lol

[Graxall]

you'd have to ask an admin that one, if i had to guess it'd be either a 1 year ban or perma-ban. it's been a few months already if you look at his last post.
Yea srry to get off topic but why did he get banned? lol

[Ajaxus]

jesus ppl, do some searching

[Graxall]

jesus ppl, do some searching
Well i dont really care was just wondering. not worth my time to search for it....

To stay on topic with all the rave about the camaro i hope they do come out with it.

[Metallman56]

u ever find out if a b18 can hold 30lb of boost? lol

i guess he was shooting 50% that day. sinse then he has admited that was wrong. thats more then i can say about some people here.

[Graxall]

i guess he was shooting 50% that day. sinse then he has admited that was wrong. thats more then i can say about some people here.
yea just bustin on ya

[Metallman56]

i know dude, its cool. i still bust his balls about that, he just smiles and puts up his middle finger. everyone has been wrong about something.