Corvette Blue Devil Spied (again!)

[SikMindz]

http://news.windingroad.com/auto-news/captured-corvette-blue-devil-mule-in-the-flesh/

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/untitled3.jpg

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/untitled.jpg

[kingsofcrunk]

:leg

[LoboMan7409]

Build It Build It Build It

[2002GT]

i will own that car ONE day.

[DumpsterDamon]

ihi idb

[badboy2451]

this is supposedly mainly made out of carbon fiber right?

[crazypontiac03]

One day Dammit one Day!!

[Sleepwalkr]

If they were to build this, they'll need to make a few appearance changes to differentiate itself from the Z06 a little more than just a hood buldge.

Also, can you say McLaren F1 killer? :drool:

Plus, its not blue you silly gooses.

[notsoaveragej0e]

It'll probably be called the Corvette Z06 "SS", but shhhhhh.

[Ajaxus]

actually some of the vette sites were rumoring that they were considering bringing back the Stingray name and putting it on this car. personally that would ruin the name for me, keep the 76 as the last stingray and preserve it's greatness.

[LoboMan7409]

actually some of the vette sites were rumoring that they were considering bringing back the Stingray name and putting it on this car. personally that would ruin the name for me, keep the 76 as the last stingray and preserve it's greatness.

Yeah I agree, I think they should call it the Z06.R. I know they were tossing that name around

[SikMindz]

Good job reiterating what the article was saying about naming the car guys...

[Phuxed]

me want.

[notsoaveragej0e]

Good job reiterating what the article was saying about naming the car guys...


lol damn. :horse:

[Ajaxus]

i don't know how to read, just how to type.

[SikMindz]

lol damn. :horse:

:angel :applause:

[Exodus]

Mmmmm, Cambells soup.

[Cormaster]

If its the "BLUE" devil then why isn't it blue?

[LoboMan7409]

If its the "BLUE" devil then why isn't it blue?

Because this is a different test mule, the first one was dark blue.

[caraudiodave]

i think it should be the z06 V. i knwo that V is for cadillac, but the vette fits mroe into the caddy lineup than the chevy lineup.

why not make an XLR from this car and call it an XLR V?

[SpyhunteR]

i think it should be the z06 V. i knwo that V is for cadillac, but the vette fits mroe into the caddy lineup than the chevy lineup.

why not make an XLR from this car and call it an XLR V?

They already have an XLR-V. Didn't you get the memo? It's supercharged northstar.

[Ajaxus]

did you just say make the vette into a caddy instead of a chevy?

BLASPHEMY!!! COVER HIM IN DIESEL AND BURN HIM ALIVE!!!!

[SikMindz]

Only you would want to be covered by Vin Diesel homie o

[Ajaxus]

even tho vin diesel is a flamer, he isn't flammable. nice try tho.

[Phuxed]

even tho vin diesel is a flamer, he isn't flammable. nice try tho.
Contrary to this Vin Diesel actually burst into flames when it was suggested that a vette join the caddy lineup.

[LoboMan7409]

did you just say make the vette into a caddy instead of a chevy?

BLASPHEMY!!! COVER HIM IN DIESEL AND BURN HIM ALIVE!!!!

That and the fact that diesel wont combust unless put under EXTREME pressure, you could drop a match into a tank of diesel fuel and it wouldnt even catch fire.

[LoboMan7409]

i think it should be the z06 V. i knwo that V is for cadillac, but the vette fits mroe into the caddy lineup than the chevy lineup.

why not make an XLR from this car and call it an XLR V?

Are you okay dude, the Corvette is a CHEVY icon, has been for like 53 years now.

[Cormaster]

I think the Z06 is enough and they need to stop putting money into chevy, its fine where its at. They need to stop focusing on chevy and start putting more focus on pontiac, such as looking at ways to make the G5 more distinct. I like the car, but honestly I Think the 2004 sunfire was a lot more distinct... hell it doesn't even have the trademark pontiac round vents! Also, Pontiac is currently without a sports car, so they better start planning on the next GTO. I'm going to be pissed if it is noting more than a camaro with an arrohead and kidney grills!

[bigbenSC]

I think a $100,000 price would be a little steep, even with the rumored performance. If they could sell it starting around $87,000 I think it would set the sportscar world on fire. Once you get to the $100,000 range you alienate all but the wealthiest buyers- something the Corvette has never done and should never do.

[caraudiodave]

i wasnt saying that vette shuold be a caddy. you know how the XLR is already on the vette platform, im saying to use this motor on the XLR-v. the XLR is already 100k (after dealer markup) so people are more liekly to spend the $ on a caddy rather than a chevy.

chevy is GMs low end brand (except for vette).

[Ajaxus]

That and the fact that diesel wont combust unless put under EXTREME pressure, you could drop a match into a tank of diesel fuel and it wouldnt even catch fire.

damnit, quit ruining my posts with such intelligence.





and dave i was just messin man, the second part of your post seemed to imply what your last post says. but the first part of it almost seemed like you were saying that the vette itself should become part of the caddy lineup, thats what left me and others confuzzled.

[SikMindz]

How come Spy and I were the only ones to get the memo?

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Cadillac-XLR-V.htm

[lone_wolf025]

That and the fact that diesel wont combust unless put under EXTREME pressure, you could drop a match into a tank of diesel fuel and it wouldnt even catch fire.

That's a new one. I'll have to try that someday...

[SikMindz]

We should have Guru try it since he's the pyrotechnics "mastermind."

[Ajaxus]

ill laugh when you get a temp ban for that one lol

[coupe]

You can do that with regulay ole gas also.

I went to a fire safety class for work and they demanstrated it with a bucket of gas and a match.

It would be retarded to name it SS or stingray.

[lone_wolf025]

I looked into it. While you may be able to drop a match into a bucket of diesel and not set the whole thing aflame (under certain temperature conditions) pressure isn't necessary.

Flash Point: 100 degrees F PM (minimum)
Autoignition Temperature: 494 degrees F
Flammable Limits In Air: Upper Explosive Limit: 5% - Lower Explosive Limit: 0.7%

Basically if its a semi-warm day you won't have any trouble lighting it, though a lighter would work better than a match.

[SikMindz]

Starting the $15 fund to whoever sends me a video of them doing it.

[coupe]

I dunno, the guy had a bucket of regular 87 octane, he lit a match, then shoved it into the bucket of gas (he didnt drop it), it put the match out and didnt ignite anything. His hand was covered in gas but he proved a point.

[coupe]

Starting the $15 fund to whoever sends me a video of them doing it.


Hmmmmm

[Ajaxus]

umm, if it doesn't work, could sik be legally charged? :D

[lone_wolf025]

That's easy. Its all a matter of how volatile the fuel is. Or in the case of gasoline: What the temperature of the gas is and the environment around it. Thing is that LIQUID fuel of any kind DOES NOT BURN.

[Sprucegagt]

I dunno, the guy had a bucket of regular 87 octane, he lit a match, then shoved it into the bucket of gas (he didnt drop it), it put the match out and didnt ignite anything. His hand was covered in gas but he proved a point.

Correct. Gasoline vapor is highly flammable. But the liquid itself is very stable. That's why the instructor shoved his hand into the bucket. So that the vapors coming off the bucket didn't have a chance to ignite.

[lone_wolf025]

*iagree* Which is why clogged injectors cause problems with combustion: the spray pattern winds up being a squirt instead of a fine mist so vaporization doesn't occur as well as it should.

[LoboMan7409]

That's a new one. I'll have to try that someday...

Well that is why disels dont use spark plugs, they use EXTREME comression

[LoboMan7409]

I think a $100,000 price would be a little steep, even with the rumored performance. If they could sell it starting around $87,000 I think it would set the sportscar world on fire. Once you get to the $100,000 range you alienate all but the wealthiest buyers- something the Corvette has never done and should never do.

I have no idea what you are talking about, 650+ HP for 100,000 that would rock the sports car world. Look at the Ford GT 550 HP for 200,000 dollars. There is no car even close to that performance for under 400,000

[lone_wolf025]

Well that is why disels dont use spark plugs, they use EXTREME comression

That's about the only way you're gonna get the near 500degrees needed for Autoignition Temperature. Its different from having a puddle of diesel fuel and just starting a fire. You can get a similar effect on a gasoline engine if the mixture is right but unlike diesel engines, gas engines aren't designed to handle that kind of punishment.

Anywho suffice it to say that diesel fuel is not as volatile as gasoline but both will burn without compression but only in denser concentrations.

[Phuxed]

I dunno, the guy had a bucket of regular 87 octane, he lit a match, then shoved it into the bucket of gas (he didnt drop it), it put the match out and didnt ignite anything. His hand was covered in gas but he proved a point.
I would have hated to be wrong in that experiment...lol

Was his name J*****? :ban: j/k j/k

[bigbenSC]

I have no idea what you are talking about, 650+ HP for 100,000 that would rock the sports car world. Look at the Ford GT 550 HP for 200,000 dollars. There is no car even close to that performance for under 400,000
The point is that the Corvette has been known as the Everyman's sports car since it's creation in '53. GM has to be careful they don't strecth the brand too far or they will start to alienate the Corvette faithful. The Ford GT was a failure for Ford, they made little money for their investment and the program was cancelled after just 3 years. Ford also didn't decide to call the GT an extension of the Mustang line. My thoughts are that if GM decides to sell a true exotic ($100,000 +) it should have completely different styling than the base $45,000 machine.

[Sleepwalkr]

The point is that the Corvette has been known as the Everyman's sports car since it's creation in '53. GM has to be careful they don't strecth the brand too far or they will start to alienate the Corvette faithful. The Ford GT was a failure for Ford, they made little money for their investment and the program was cancelled after just 3 years. Ford also didn't decide to call the GT an extension of the Mustang line. My thoughts are that if GM decides to sell a true exotic ($100,000 +) it should have completely different styling than the base $45,000 machine.

I'm gonna have to agree here. GM really shouldn't make a $100k Corvette. The $75k Z06 is kinda pushing it as it is. They oughtta just make a modern Cadillac Cien and give it like 600hp & have it be the only thing thats faster than the Z06.

[lone_wolf025]

Yea but as we all know the vette is the holy grail of GM. No car will ever be allowed to surpass it or come close to seriously competing with it....but I think everyone here knows that.

[caraudiodave]

I'm gonna have to agree here. GM really shouldn't make a $100k Corvette. The $75k Z06 is kinda pushing it as it is. They oughtta just make a modern Cadillac Cien and give it like 600hp & have it be the only thing thats faster than the Z06.

that was exactly my point. anyone who can afford a $100k car wont want to drive a "chevy". now a caddy, thats a different story.

and that XLR-v with only 440 hp, thats lame. they didnt even use the brembo brakes that the CTS-v comes with, or the 6 piston ones that the z06 comes with. not sure why the XLR has a smaller engine than the vette, and narrower tires too. really lame, but this is why GM is in trouble.

[bigbenSC]

not sure why the XLR has a smaller engine than the vette, and narrower tires too. really lame, but this is why GM is in trouble.
The XLR uses the Northstar because it is a more modern design and matches the technology of it's competitors (XK, SL, SC430, and 6-series). If GM puts an OHV engine in the XLR it would be ragged on for being low tech and coarse. The XLR and 'Vette are selling in to two completely different customers. Very few people would actually compare one car against the other. The two cars are a great example of how platform sharing can produce two cars with completely different personalities (something GM hadn't gotten right in a long time!).

[AaronGTR]

i wasnt saying that vette shuold be a caddy. you know how the XLR is already on the vette platform, im saying to use this motor on the XLR-v. the XLR is already 100k (after dealer markup) so people are more liekly to spend the $ on a caddy rather than a chevy.

chevy is GMs low end brand (except for vette).


The XLR and the 'vette are NOT built on the same platform. They are built at the same plant, that's all. I should know... I've been there and seen them being built. They are built similarly (hence the reason for making them at the same plant) but each has their own distinct chassis. And no there is no reason to put a 500+hp LS7 v8 into a luxury convertible cruiser for rich old people and pampered house wives. :rolleyes:

[AaronGTR]

that was exactly my point. anyone who can afford a $100k car wont want to drive a "chevy". now a caddy, thats a different story.

and that XLR-v with only 440 hp, thats lame. they didnt even use the brembo brakes that the CTS-v comes with, or the 6 piston ones that the z06 comes with. not sure why the XLR has a smaller engine than the vette, and narrower tires too. really lame, but this is why GM is in trouble.


Ok, gotta explain something again. You read any car mags? Watch any road racing like the american lemans or speed GT? How many convertibles you see racing? Exactly... in the old school world of sports cars, high performance sports cars are based on race cars, and convertibles make bad race cars. Typically hard tops have stiffer stronger bodies and better aerodynamics. They make better sports cars on the road.

Bottom line is the XLR is a smaller car than the 'vette or the CTS and it's a convertible so it gets a smaller engine and brakes. Making a XLR-V model makes it a little faster and sportier driving but it's still a convertible with a trick folding hard top as a gimmic that takes up the entire trunk when it's down. The most important equipment it comes with is the price and the badge on the back... and the prestige that goes with it. It's an accessory not unlike gucci shoes and a prada purse. When someone with nuts in their pants wants a real performance car they get a C6 Z06 or a CTS-V and then they get the real performance gear like brembo brakes.

[SikMindz]

The XLR and the 'vette are NOT built on the same platform. They are built at the same plant, that's all. I should know... I've been there and seen them being built. They are built similarly (hence the reason for making them at the same plant) but each has their own distinct chassis. And no there is no reason to put a 500+hp LS7 v8 into a luxury convertible cruiser for rich old people and pampered house wives. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_XLR

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle_Reviews/Sports_Convertibles/2004_Cadillac_XLR.S184.A6051.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=xlr+corvette+chassis

http://www.aclens.com/accessoryphotos/shield-lens-cleaner_lg.jpg

:applause:

lol Sorry. Had to.

[AaronGTR]

Had too what? Not prove anything? As I said I've been to the plant. Yes, they are built similarly. They both used hyrdo formed frame rails and a central back bone to make a stiffer chassis for the convertible. Yes it shares some suspension components with the 'vette. It doesn't use the same frame rails or floor though and the majority of it's components are not shared with the 'vette but unique to the caddy, unlike N-bodies like the GA and alero which have a more than 50% interchangable components. To me that means they aren't the same platform.

[Ajaxus]

to you maybe they aren't based on the same platform, to the rest of the world they are.

[caraudiodave]

Had too what? Not prove anything? As I said I've been to the plant. Yes, they are built similarly. They both used hyrdo formed frame rails and a central back bone to make a stiffer chassis for the convertible. Yes it shares some suspension components with the 'vette. It doesn't use the same frame rails or floor though and the majority of it's components are not shared with the 'vette but unique to the caddy, unlike N-bodies like the GA and alero which have a more than 50% interchangable components. To me that means they aren't the same platform.

i never said that they share any % of parts. i said that they are on the same platform. they are.

yes i read magazines, but my opinion is NEVEr based on them since they are all biased. if i shared their opinion then i would never have gotten a grand am int he first place. i would have gotten a civic Si or a honda accord.

[AaronGTR]

What ever... doesn't matter. Facts are still facts and the facts are that it's a different car. It's not a corvette and there's a good reason it doesn't come with the same kind of running gear as a corvette so stop whining about it.

[SikMindz]

AaronGTR has spoken the truth so it seems...

Does that mean that hypocritically AGTR is...God?! Oh noes...

Just fockin' with ya so don't get your panties in a bunch.

For the sake of being on topic here are supposed shots of the engine however obscure they may look:

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58100

[AaronGTR]

Ooooooh... preeeeetty. Hope that does end up in a new corvette. That would be sweet.


Anyway don't mind me... I been in a pissy mood lately. Mucho stress at work and home...

[SikMindz]

http://www.automobilemag.com/future_cars/2008/0609_x+2009_chevrolet_corvette_z07+front.jpg

[Ajaxus]

where'd you get that darren?

[Phuxed]

Interesting...

[Devo]

Hmm, just put my order in *wink*wink*

[GTKnightRider]

Yummz. Id buy one.

[notsoaveragej0e]

Email I got today:

Feb. 23, 2007

General Motors Corp. is investigating how photos of a vehicle identified as a top-secret, super high-performance Chevrolet Corvette showed up on several Web sites Thursday.

Several photos of the Corvette that showed both its exterior and engine began appearing Thursday on auto enthusiast Web sites such as Autoblog.com, Jalopnik.com and thegmsource.com. It's unclear where the photos were first posted.

The car was identified as a prototype of the 2009 Corvette SS, a 600-plus horsepower supercar dubbed by some as the "Blue Devil," after GM CEO Rick Wagoner's alma mater, Duke University.

GM spokesman Terry Rhadigan confirmed the automaker is investigating a possible "breech of security" but would not confirm the vehicle in the photos was a Corvette supercar prototype. "We don't comment on future products," he said.

He said GM believes the photos were snapped in Romulus by an employee of a transport company that was in the process of shipping the vehicle.

Rhadigan said GM could not confirm numerous Web reports that the employee was arrested Thursday by Romulus police. A Romulus police spokesman declined to comment Thursday night.

"We acted on what was an alleged breech of security," Rhadigan said. "We are still piecing it all together."

The Internet has been abuzz in recent weeks with speculation about GM's rumored development of a 600-plus horsepower Corvette supercar. GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz hinted in January that such a car was in the works, but it has not been officially announced.

Automakers have struggled in the recent years to keep a lid on photos of cars in development as Internet sites aimed at auto enthusiasts have proliferated.

"We do take it seriously," Rhadigan said. "We are a car company that has a lot of confidential future products in various stages of development. We rely on security to keep those products confidential."

GM is asking some Web sites to take the photos down, Rhadigan said.

Autoblog.com said on its site it removed the photos out of fear of incurring GM's wrath.

And a sweet link:

http://jalopnik.com/cars/spy-photos/spy-photos-i-am-the-corvette-ss-powertrain-mule-238647.php

[cavingman]

lol

"Emo Trans? Is it staffed by those androgynous boys who rabidly follow Conor Oberst and wear girls' panties just to prove how sensitive and rebellious they are? Throw the lot of those jokers in jail, then."

[bigbenSC]

Holy Crap! That transport company is in deep with GM now. The intake "aftercooler" looks very close to production.

[Pontiac Ninja]

So was there TWO in there?!
Man I'm not trying to be ungrateful here, but he couldn't even get a FULL car shot of this thing, or a head on shot on the engine, lol.

Oh wait thats right hes being arrested now, hahaha!

[gectek]

Email I got today:

Quote:
Feb. 23, 2007

General Motors Corp. is investigating how photos of a vehicle identified as a top-secret, super high-performance Chevrolet Corvette showed up on several Web sites Thursday.

Several photos of the Corvette that showed both its exterior and engine began appearing Thursday on auto enthusiast Web sites such as Autoblog.com, Jalopnik.com and thegmsource.com. It's unclear where the photos were first posted.

The car was identified as a prototype of the 2009 Corvette SS, a 600-plus horsepower supercar dubbed by some as the "Blue Devil," after GM CEO Rick Wagoner's alma mater, Duke University.

GM spokesman Terry Rhadigan confirmed the automaker is investigating a possible "breech of security" but would not confirm the vehicle in the photos was a Corvette supercar prototype. "We don't comment on future products," he said.

He said GM believes the photos were snapped in Romulus by an employee of a transport company that was in the process of shipping the vehicle.

Rhadigan said GM could not confirm numerous Web reports that the employee was arrested Thursday by Romulus police. A Romulus police spokesman declined to comment Thursday night.

"We acted on what was an alleged breech of security," Rhadigan said. "We are still piecing it all together."

The Internet has been abuzz in recent weeks with speculation about GM's rumored development of a 600-plus horsepower Corvette supercar. GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz hinted in January that such a car was in the works, but it has not been officially announced.

Automakers have struggled in the recent years to keep a lid on photos of cars in development as Internet sites aimed at auto enthusiasts have proliferated.

"We do take it seriously," Rhadigan said. "We are a car company that has a lot of confidential future products in various stages of development. We rely on security to keep those products confidential."

GM is asking some Web sites to take the photos down, Rhadigan said.

Autoblog.com said on its site it removed the photos out of fear of incurring GM's wrath.


DAMN Romulans...scourge of the Galaxy!!! anyone hear of a cloaking device...DUH!!!

[Snowboardr18]

i usually see vettes as an old person car cause thats what everyone gets for their mid-life crisis... but damn this thing will be sick

[gectek]

well because those are the ones that can afford them or are at least approved for the loans and can afford the ins because the premiums are so low...i see the newer style c5 and c6 vettes as the best ones yet, most power and the c6 is really the best in terms of fit/trim/finish style, options, price and anything else of most of the other exotics or the stinky viper or any of the rustangs or the GT.

id rather just have a c6 or a c6 z06, that will do thank you

just wait jay leno will make a diesel vette, or something else radical like that, maybe use the abrams turbine engine to make it a jet car

[notsoaveragej0e]

I talked to my dad about this tonight- he said GM is going to clean house with this company for releasing these photos, since it was a huge breach of contract. Many people will be fired, and this company is going to take a large hit.

[notsoaveragej0e]

Did you guys notice how in the exhaust there are little doors that open and close, like an exhaust cutout? What do you think that is?

[Snowboardr18]

i don't see 2 doors?

[gectek]

even the Z06 has that, it is for 2 separate exhausts on the car, one is 2" or 2.5" and the other is 3" the door opens and closes relative to throttle pos and gear, for sound control and fuel economy, IIRC

[SikMindz]

http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyautoinsider/12814/2009-corvette-blue-devil-confirmed-and-in-final-tuning-phase.html

[notsoaveragej0e]

“It’s a very difficult vehicle development. This thing has so much power that we have to explore a dynamic envelope that we’ve never explored before. We want the vehicle to be safe and we want it to be predictable, even at speeds that no mortal is ever going to attain in the United States. That’s our obligation. We’re really into a speed and power realm that General Motors has never been in before. We’re way up there with Porsche Carrera GTs and Ferraris.”

Probably my favorite quote.


Also, I always notice on these preproduction cars that on the rear and sometimes front they have these adapters- they almost look like the blue and red adapter's for when you change air conditioning coolant in your car- any one know what they do? They are on the corvette on the second page of Sik's article, on either side of the exhaust.

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2007/Q2/041320071303428216.jpg

PS- those are some nasty steamroller tires on back!

[Rich]

if roofs dont fly off and engines dont catch fire i think this will restore some pride in GM. especially considering how much peolple like the Z06 and that they dont have any other cars that can really compete with ferraris, kids can kind of look up to this car like they do lambos or whatever. as for the name, stingray might be cool but all the others are not, besides the blue devil.

[notsoaveragej0e]

if roofs dont fly off and engines dont catch fire i think this will restore some pride in GM. especially considering how much peolple like the Z06 and that they dont have any other cars that can really compete with ferraris, kids can kind of look up to this car like they do lambos or whatever. as for the name, stingray might be cool but all the others are not, besides the blue devil.

I'm thinking they are going to call it the SS to stay within their naming system, but I also think it's hard to say- the whole project is on a very need to know basis, and unless you're an engineer or Bob Lutz, GM's stance is that you don't need to know. I always ask my dad about this car, and he is very vague about it, not because he doesn't want to tell me, but because no one at GM knows much about it.

[Rich]

yeah the SS would make the most sense with all the other SS'sss in their lineup but i think they have to name it something really cool. Z09 is just lame.