305 Rebuild

[Ajaxus]

Alright, so some of you may have heard by now that I'm involved in rebuilding a 305 with a friend of mine that we're gonna drop into his 2002 Chevy S-10. We decided it was time to make a thread about the rebuild, with pictures of the progression. Enjoy.

Every project needs a drink. Beers of choice: Oberon and Corona
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Ajaxus/CIMG2006.jpg

Some people can't justify spending money on machine made crap, I know we can't.
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(Homemade Engine Stand for the slow ones, and yes we have tested it to hold Quite a bit of weight..)

Unfortunately no pictures of the before, but here she is in her current state:
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Be warned, if you are squeamish the following will make you a tad sick:
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(Wait till we get the oil pan off..)

Some parts behave:
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Some parts don't:
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(Unfortunately the "Persuayer" was busy with another gig and could not pose for this picture)

But the persuayer's little brother the intimidator did have some time to drop by:
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Now some of you think that I'm the biggest tool you've ever seen, I don't think so:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Ajaxus/CIMG2013.jpg
(Notice the well placed product label)

The Annihilators:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Ajaxus/CIMG2017.jpg


More to come in the following weeks, my buddy David (S-10 Freak!) will post up later with a list of planned modifications to this beast as well as more on what she'll be going into. Stay tuned.


:leg

[2003SCT]

Looks like SOME parts are gonna be visiting the dunk tank:)



Keep us updated as much as possible...I love looking at rebuilds:)



CHRIS

[Gizm0815]

looks like its gunna be interesting. are you guys just rebuilding the motor to stock or are you upgrading parts as u do the rebuild?

[Ajaxus]

full upgrade, we haven't discussed yet how far it will be bored out, my buddy will post his list when he gets on next time. the plan is to get as much out of the 305 that we can. before anyone says anything, originally he planned to get the 350, but they already had the 305 available and he got it off of his carclub's owner for $300 which is a damn good deal.

only thing holding us back right now is getting some help lifting that beast onto our homemade engine stand. my friends have now officially bailed on us two nights in a row on helping move it, and we can't get the oil pan off or the pistons out until we do get some help. :(

anyways, the plan is to have this project done possibly this winter so that we can drive it out for GAP07.

[Sprucegagt]

Blue Moon > Corona :D

I've seen and worked on worse and made it work. So there is no reason why you guys can't do the same. Personally I wouldn't even think of using a 305, it's gutless in my opinion. But you got a good deal on it so have fun with it.

Tip: Split the tranny from the engine. That way 2 people can lift the engine block onto your stand.

[coupe]

Niiiiiiice dude!!!
I love this stuff

[S-10 Freak!]

Wuts up all, Its Ajaxus's friend workin on the engine. If you have any questions on it, jus let me know and I will talk with ya. Peace!

[Ajaxus]

hey david, since you're on, i cant work on the engine today, got swamped with some school work. ill swing by tomorrow around 2:30ish tho

[SikMindz]

Does AJ try to lube YOUR engine S-10?

[Ajaxus]

i wouldn't even be able to try, your mom used all of the lube up last night. now quit tryin to steal my thread. :(

[S-10 Freak!]

iight man, but naw he threw the empty tube of it at the engine cuz your mom needed it all lol

[Ajaxus]

zing!

[SikMindz]

I'm not even going to try to comprehend whatever that meant. Alas, S-10 freak I hope you and AJ have fun camping and herding cattle in the mountains.

[Ajaxus]

Apparently you didn't pay attention in geography Sik, we don't have mountains in Indiana...or any part of the midwest for that matter.

It took some work for me to comprehend it as well, but in the end I decided it was an insult directed at both you and your mom, therefore I gave it the zing! approval.

Now please, go back to rubbing your cf masterpiece and leave my thread alone before it gets shut down for being a pw paradise.

[LoboMan7409]

good luck guys

[Sprucegagt]

Apparently you didn't pay attention in geography Sik, we don't have mountains in Indiana...or any part of the midwest for that matter.

It took some work for me to comprehend it as well, but in the end I decided it was an insult directed at both you and your mom, therefore I gave it the zing! approval.

Now please, go back to rubbing your cf masterpiece and leave my thread alone before it gets shut down for being a pw paradise.

What's with the hate for Sik? Even though he is the poster child for the gay movement, he doesn't deserve that much anti-love.

[Ajaxus]

It's not hate...just a very odd form of flattery...and that might be too much of a ghey word to use..hmm

Anyways, my thread is now officially pw free, no more whoring.

And ontopic, tomorrow I guarantee the removal of the nasty oilpan..

[lone_wolf025]

Hmm maybe if its full of sludge you could heat up the bottom of the pan with a blow torch to melt it all away? :crazy:

[S-10 Freak!]

Today is it... The removal of the oilpan... we will have it done.... and pictures are to follow of wut it looks like....(nasty)

[O1GAGT]

What a nasting looking engine. I still don't understand why you want to go back in time and use a carbed engine in an 2002 truck.

What engine is in the truck now? If it is the 4.3L then I would just save the hassle and put a good set of heads, headers and cam it.
Or supercharge it, I know a guy with a supercharged 4.3L S-10 that put down 400 WHP.

In my oppinion a 305 is a poor choice for performance, but good luck with it.

I would personally go with a 5.3L out of a newer GM pickup as they share the LS design. They can be picked up fairly cheap as well and will have alot more potential than a 305.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SIERRA-SILVERADO-1500-2500-5-3L-engine-99_W0QQitemZ270039761084QQihZ017QQcategoryZ33615QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[5-lO]

I opt to have my name changed, as to not be related to this matter in anyway ...

And I agree with the above comments, why the 305? When I had my S10 I was looking at doing an LT1 that or a blown 4.3L (granted all of those were pipe dreams since my S10 was a peice) ... an LT1 that already is in running condition can be had for around 2g's, and even if you already had the 305, how much is it going to cost you to get the beast running?

[S-10 Freak!]

I got the engine for pretty much free... and Im not gonna be racing the whole time with my truck. Im gonna be racing for prolly only 3 1/2 months, then me and my car club are pumpin my truck... so we can't have too much weight. and it wont cost very much actualy, I know lots of people who work for aftermarket shops and such. so I will prolly be gettin the engine done for bout.... $2500.. and ill be pushin bout 425 hp at least outta this engine

[O1GAGT]

I got the engine for pretty much free... and Im not gonna be racing the whole time with my truck. Im gonna be racing for prolly only 3 1/2 months, then me and my car club are pumpin my truck... so we can't have too much weight. and it wont cost very much actualy, I know lots of people who work for aftermarket shops and such. so I will prolly be gettin the engine done for bout.... $2500.. and ill be pushin bout 425 hp at least outta this engine

Yeah, the reason you got the engine for free is because it is a boat anchor. I am going to venture to say that a the 5.3L will be lighter than a fully built 305, while providing better performance, function and reliability.

If you are putting $2500 just into the engine, plan on putting atleast another $2500 into getting everything installed and functioning properly.


Another reason I recommend the 5.3L is that you can buy premade engine harnesses from Current Performance, which will make the job alot easier.

Just because it was "free" doesn't mean it is going to be a cheap swap or the best choice for the money.

[Sprucegagt]

so I will prolly be gettin the engine done for bout.... $2500.. and ill be pushin bout 425 hp at least outta this engine

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good luck!!!! Something tells me the block may have something to say about that kind of HP.

For that kind of money you could get a complete top end Edelbrock setup for a 350 for $1600 and get a short block from Summit for $1300. You would get the HP you want along with better reliability and considerably less weight.

[5-lO]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good luck!!!! Something tells me the block may have something to say about that kind of HP.

For that kind of money you could get a complete top end Edelbrock setup for a 350 for $1600 and get a short block from Summit for $1300. You would get the HP you want along with better reliability and considerably less weight.

Not to mention you can most likely score as mid mileage LT1 and trans for that price...

Edit: And I Digress http://motors.search.ebay.com/lt1-engine_Complete-Engines_W0QQcatrefZC12QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentryp ageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfnuZ1QQfromZR10QQfsooZ1QQ fsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQmppfqyZlt1Q20engineQQsacat Z33615

[Ajaxus]

and the good ol' supporting nature of this site comes out of the woodwork, +1 for you guys for being so awesome! /sarcasm


seriously, now i'm getting a headache, this thread was supposed to be a thread about a project and our progress. not a place for people to bitch at us for either not buying the engine they wanted, or because they don't approve of our methods.

here's an idea, if you aren't going to be constructive to our thread, gtfo. i don't want my thread locked because i want to continue showing the progress of this rebuild. if you don't want to help out, leave, and if you don't want to read posts to their entirety before responding, maybe not responding is better for you.

i'm sure the LT1 would be nice and all, but we wanted a rebuild, we got an amazing deal on the 305, and we're gonna do with it what we can, end of story.

[5-lO]

and the good ol' supporting nature of this site comes out of the woodwork, +1 for you guys for being so awesome! /sarcasm


seriously, now i'm getting a headache, this thread was supposed to be a thread about a project and our progress. not a place for people to bitch at us for either not buying the engine they wanted, or because they don't approve of our methods.

here's an idea, if you aren't going to be constructive to our thread, gtfo. i don't want my thread locked because i want to continue showing the progress of this rebuild. if you don't want to help out, leave, and if you don't want to read posts to their entirety before responding, maybe not responding is better for you.

i'm sure the LT1 would be nice and all, but we wanted a rebuild, we got an amazing deal on the 305, and we're gonna do with it what we can, end of story.

Fair enough, and understandable. But at the same point, is it worth putting money into something that (could be) is a lost cause. Im not saying it is ... but at the same point im not saying that it isnt. Although the rest of the criticism could have been a little more constructive from the other members, that is/was basically thier point.

[Sprucegagt]

AJ, Sorry. I joked because honestly I don't think you will get what you want from that engine. I know you got it at a good deal, but it may of been too good of a deal.

[Molson]

AJ, where I agree with you that people should keep their noses out, they do raise a good point. A 305/5.0 is a throw away motor, it is hard, and expensive to make power. for 2500, you can have two GOOD 450HP 5.7/350s. I hope you got the 305 for free, I can't even give them away here. Just sayin, I know its fun to do a rebuild, but the ease of parts access for the 5.7 etc makes life so much easier.

[5-lO]

AJ, where I agree with you that people should keep their noses out, they do raise a good point. A 305/5.0 is a throw away motor, it is hard, and expensive to make power. for 2500, you can have two GOOD 450HP 5.7/350s. I hope you got the 305 for free, I can't even give them away here. Just sayin, I know its fun to do a rebuild, but the ease of parts access for the 5.7 etc makes life so much easier.

Molsowned

[S-10 Freak!]

Well... besides the performance crap that is goin on the engine... the engines main purpose is gonna be show.... so we wont' need the 450hp 5.3. Cuz the engine is gonna be painted and chromed up for hood poppin car shows that my club does. Plus the last engine redbuild I did was on a 3400 V6. So I jus wanted to get something bigger that I didn't have to spend very much money doin so. But anyways....

[Ajaxus]

Thanks david, while I agree with you guys jon and molson, if you had read david's post entirely you would see that he had mentioned putting the truck on hydro's in about 3.5months after the engine is put in. That would have been the signal that this is a show truck, not a race truck. All of the plans for it are for show additions, and for a show car the 305 is a good engine and with the reasonable price on it, our connections, and doing the work ourselves it came out to be a much more affordable deal for our means than anything else.

That being said, the engine is now finally on it's stand, so the project should pick up pace, I expect more pictures to be going up as soon as I get back from fall break (currently sitting in a dorm room out in Wooster, OH...now where did that case of miller go..)

[5-lO]

Thanks david, while I agree with you guys jon and molson, if you had read david's post entirely you would see that he had mentioned putting the truck on hydro's in about 3.5months after the engine is put in. That would have been the signal that this is a show truck, not a race truck. All of the plans for it are for show additions, and for a show car the 305 is a good engine and with the reasonable price on it, our connections, and doing the work ourselves it came out to be a much more affordable deal for our means than anything else.

That being said, the engine is now finally on it's stand, so the project should pick up pace, I expect more pictures to be going up as soon as I get back from fall break (currently sitting in a dorm room out in Wooster, OH...now where did that case of miller go..)



... and now I understand what "pumping" a truck means. Fair enough. Spending the money to get the peices chrome dipped, or buying accents?

[Ajaxus]

engine will be chrome and blue. the guys that own his car club do all of their painting for interior and exterior work out of their own garges, i've seen it up close and it's some pretty amazing work.

[O1GAGT]

My intent about recommending the 5.3L wasn't to get anyones panties in a bunch, but to recommend a cleanier more functionable route.

Going with a 305, you are going to have a hell of a time keeping the factory gauges.

Also what tranny do you plan on using, I am not sure that the factory tranny will even bolt up to the 305 and if it does it is an electronically controlled tranny that gets some of it's imputs from other engine sensors.

So it looks like $2,500+ for the engine rebuild, another $500+ in a tranny, shortened driveshaft, custom mounts, custom gauges, ect.

I like your dedication, but for $2,500 you can get the 4.3L engine to around 350 HP with out all the BS.

Or you could see what these guys are telling him here: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277040

[Ajaxus]

we're using the tranny that came with the 305

edit, thanks for the link. didn't know he started a thread over there.

[S-10 Freak!]

Im prolly gonna get it chrome dipped if not jus do it ourselves. but ya... my bad for the whole confusion with the racing part.... and ya that is wut pumpin it means to us... is Hydros. So more will be to come when AJ gets back from gettin trashed lol.

[GA Nightmare]

Theres not fruit in your Corona right? Thats man law now. Men WILL NOT put fruit in beer. Man law!

[Ajaxus]

do you SEE anything in the corona?

and btw, that man law wasn't cleared with me, so it isn't official yet.

[xxbackhillxx]

Now some of you think that I'm the biggest tool you've ever seen, I don't think so:
Haha that picture only reinforces my belief that you look like the biggest tool I've ever seen. That and the lack of vagina in your life.


Back to the motor ... good luck

[DumpsterDamon]

Haha that picture only reinforces my belief that you look like the biggest tool I've ever seen. That and the lack of vagina in your life.


Back to the motor ... good luck

+1


-1

[ArcticWhiteSE]

The Annihilators:
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Ahem.....

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/rainier_wolfe/newbies.jpg

[ArcticWhiteSE]

Haha that picture only reinforces my belief that you look like the biggest tool I've ever seen. That and the lack of vagina in your life.

Want me to warn him for ya AJ? I'm bored....


Anyways, I can't wait to see all of the finished product. I'm actually undertaking a bit of a engine project as well. I took the 6.6 Duramax out of my wee little truck and I'm having that bad boy bored out.

You should see how fricking clean my pistons were when I yanked em. Almost 8K on the engine and it looks brand frickin new.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/rainier_wolfe/saddam.jpg

[Sprucegagt]

Don't forget to O-ring the heads while your at it.

[Ajaxus]

Andy you can do whatever you want, I don't really care. If he wants to be a **** and look like an idiot, he is welcome to, I won't stop him.

As for the project, I'm back in town now, the engine will continue to be broken down and maybe even finished with that process this week, we'll see.

[Sprucegagt]

Andy you can do whatever you want, I don't really care. If he wants to be a **** and look like an idiot, he is welcome to, I won't stop him.


Uuummm.... I think you mean Jack.

[Ajaxus]

my bad, i saw your sn last and figured you went on a posting spree in here, lol

[lone_wolf025]

I hope that all works out well for ya with the rebuild. Personally I wish I was doing it because its such a fun job. Out of curiousity since this engine has been sitting around w/out use for a long time how concerned are you about its condition? Anywho good luck with the continued rebuild and be sure to post more pics. There's nothing sexier than an engine with its guts exposed!

[Ajaxus]

Guts exposed is understatement of the century..anyways just went to work on it a bit and found that our breaker bar has gone and walked off...and would you believe not ONE bolt will budge on the oil pan? Not to mention the wonderful bolt size means I have to use the small ratchet..hence why I want that goddamn breaker bar to move them.

As for it's condition, any non working parts will be replaced. Yes as you can see by the pictures there is some decent rust damage, but that can be remedied.

The only thing I'm worried about on this is the transmission, we need to dive into the parts car and find out how many miles was on her. She looks solid but it'd be nice to see how much stress was put on her. I'm also going to look for a sticker for the last oil change to get an idea of when she was last serviced.

I know that all wires are being kept, hoses will all be replaced along with gaskets. We're planning to bore it out (don't know how much David decided on though), and numerous other goodies. We do have a set of headers off of a 350 that should bolt right up to the 305 without modification, still need to clean them up and get them coated though.

And that's about all I can say right now.

[Molson]

Guts exposed is understatement of the century..anyways just went to work on it a bit and found that our breaker bar has gone and walked off...and would you believe not ONE bolt will budge on the oil pan? Not to mention the wonderful bolt size means I have to use the small ratchet..hence why I want that goddamn breaker bar to move them.



Impact wrench is your friend. (adjustable one)

[Ajaxus]

money could be my friend as well...but it isn't lately.. :(

[Ajaxus]

Alright, first day back in awhile. When I left off last we were waiting for my dumbass friends to stop bailing so we could lift the beast up unto the stand, well I didn't wait on them, found some others to help and we got the beast up. It's been on the stand for over a week now and the stand is holding, thank god.

So today we tackled the oil pan..a job that should've taken 30min's took us 2 hours. Every bolt on the pan (iirc there were around 10+) either a)broke off or b) stripped. Thank you GM..

We did get one surprise however, we thought all of the oil had been drained, we were wrong. It isn't fun trying to find containers while oil pours out of an oil pan onto your floor..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Ajaxus/DSCN1724.jpg
When you take oil to autozone, does it matter if there is coolant or oil dry mixed in? :D

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You can't see it in this picture, but there is another container hidden under this yellow one that is full as well.

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Yummy

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Yummy xINFINITY


The next project:
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Ajaxus/DSCN1726.jpg

Things to do this week:
Replace broken tools (add two more to the list)
Find missing tools (add one more to the list)
Clean up and organize (i know, this one's gonna blow)
Start pulling pistons...


To Be Continued.

[ArcticWhiteSE]

I feel compelled to box up and send you 50 spray cans of degreaser and 10 packs of shop rags. I'll bet you find all manner of delightful things under all that grime and rust.

I have a bit of OCD... I can't work properly unless every surface is absolutely spotless and clean. Hence why I never do any of my own engine work.

Seriously, I wish you luck with this man.

[lone_wolf025]

Maybe he should get a giant vat, fill it with parts cleaner solution, and just soak the whole freakin thing for a few days :D

[Ajaxus]

I feel compelled to box up and send you 50 spray cans of degreaser and 10 packs of shop rags. I'll bet you find all manner of delightful things under all that grime and rust.

I have a bit of OCD... I can't work properly unless every surface is absolutely spotless and clean. Hence why I never do any of my own engine work.

Seriously, I wish you luck with this man.

There's a place around here David was telling me about that would dip all of the parts in a mild acid and clean them up for about $40..soo you can keep the degreaser.

Trust me, I'd like a clean surface too, today when we were working on that oil pan we scratched through a good bit of that crap, there is a shiney surface hiding underneath... :D

Also, can't remember if I said this, but all we're really keeping from all of this is the block, wires, and hoses. All else is being replaced.

Any working parts that we have (AFTER cleaning) will be sold online. So if you or any friends have project cars/engines that will be in need of some parts keep your eyes peeled. I will post all parts for sale on this site atleast 1-2wks before they go on ebay.

Also a little tidbit, the car club david belongs to "OurLife" has alot of shows and fundraisers, he mentioned they are planning to have one this winter and several in the upcoming spring/summer. One of their fundraisers will be for the Riley Children's Hospital in Indianapolis. So as soon as they kick some dates at me I will make some threads on here for anyone interested. He also mentioned these shows will include some sound competitions for those on here that want to rep it (his club has an escalade with a few 15's tucked away..). I know ppl around here love doing stuff for good causes.

[Ajaxus]

it's been a few weeks since the last update. between school and my job and david's job we've had some hard time finding the time to work on this. but with him recently moving into a house near mine things got easier.

a few days ago we removed the bolts holding the pistons in place. we disconnected all remains of the tranny from the block...had some issues with the flywheel so that piece is now laying on the ground twisted and torn..*sigh*

the camshaft should be coming out tomorrow evening if all goes well and no more tools are broken or lost, and with that the pistons will fall out which will bring us almost to the completion of this first stage.

i'm planning on doing a write up when we are done by doing a test of Oznium's new engine degreaser which will be tested on these parts. i'm sure for those of you following along you would be eager to see if anything can gut through this grime. i actually attempted to clean some parts up with some elbow grease the other day...not so easy.

anyways, that's the "short" update, hopefully i can get some pictures up by the end of this week and get some more info out on what we're doing.

bonus hint: there's a good chance the 305 won't go into the S10 and something bigger/badder will. so if anyone you guys know of that wants a fully rebuilt 305 with some slightly agressive mods in a few months, drop my name or david's. :D

[atc3434]

The only thing wrong with a 305 is that its not a 350. That doesn't make it a junk motor. Its pretty easy to make a strong running 305, they respond to mods just as well as the bigger motor. The biggest holdup on the 305 is that the heads cannot accommodate as large of valves as the larger chambers in the 350 heads. 305's can be built quite strong, and run quite well when setup properly. For the money, a 350 is a better option, but if you've got a basically good running 305, I wouldn't go out and junk it for the 45 cubic inches unless I was 100% performance oriented. My $.02

[Ajaxus]

Well andrew, plans keep on changing, the 305 will be our learning experience and it's going to end up being sold, maybe to somebody that wants to keep an old car close to stock specs.

David works for Discount Tire and yesterday a customer mentioned to him that he just finished rebuilding a 454 to the 1970 Vette Specs (390hp) and is looking for a buyer. As things stand right now we are going to sell the 305 when it is finished, sell the stock engine and tranny out of the truck. Pick up this 454 and a new tranny, and well, this link gives you an idea of what work we're cut out for..

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223375

All I can say is I feel priveleged to be working on this project, and the outcome is going to be orgasmic. We're gonna drop the plans to make this into a show truck and make her all muscle. The only shame is that it won't be ready for GAP '07 this summer. :(