G6GXP Concept to be produced

[SectoidBob]

The scoop is that GM previewed a bunch of 2008 and 2009 models to dealers. They included the new Malibu, a couple of Caddys, the Acadia\Enclave and interestingly the G6 GXP Concept. The dealers appariently report that the GXP is going to be very similar to the concept, which IMO will finally give the G6 some much needed visual drama. Also with a a "modified" 3.9L V6. Whatever that means.

Read all about it. (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/16/gm-previews-2008-chevy-malibu-cadillac-cts-sts-to-dealers/)

Good, bad, or another SC/T concept pipe dream?

[pyro]

pipe dream...

[GregFarz78]

GM will outprice themselves why bother no one is going to spend 30k+ on a FWD pontiac...if they do well someone should examine their head. Make it AWD and supercharged then price it at 28k now we're talking.

[lone_wolf025]

A severely watered down version maybe. Very close to concept? No.

[bigbenSC]

It needs to have about 280 HP, hopefully out of the 3.6 engine, a manual transmission, be priced to start around $26,500, and hit 60 MPH in well under 6 seconds for me to be interested. If it turns out to be last years GTP with 5 more horses out of the 3900 and restyled fascias I will be very disappointed.

[Mirage85]

I think its still going to take GM awhile to realize they are priced to high compared to foreign brand cars. You get more for your money with companies like Nissan and Mazda. GM upping their warrenty helps, but we are still paying the same price for the same piece of crap.

Only time will tell, but I just don't see GM making anything that appeals to the crowd that hangs on these boards. They need to make something that not only looks good, but feels good, has some power, and isnt $7k more than similar competitors vehicles that are put together better, fit and finish.

If they do produce the G6 GXP concept, it won't sell if its more that $26k. above that, there are so many more options for the money, Like a loaded Mazda 6, or a Nissan Ultima.... sure their 4 door, but you know what Im getting at.

[Cormaster]

If they are going to build this they better look at the mazdaspeed 6 first... make it awd and 6 speed manual, maybe even use the solstice GXP motor... tune it up to 280hp, and then they can price it high and people will still be interested

[Rich]

its funny they fixed the missing clutch pedal with the pictures in the first post:

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60665&highlight=gxp


some of the spy shots look sweet of the cars. hopefully gm comes through.

[SectoidBob]

If by some miracle, they do decide to SC it, it would be wicked fast with the 6 speed, assuming they could get everything to the ground reliably.

[MongooseDog]

I hope they tone down the hideous buck tooth grills.

[caraudiodave]

i thought that the g6 gxp concept looked very much like the g35 coupe. not a bad design, but if its too similar then people will say that its a wanna be g35 coupe.

i kinda like the car, but it needs to have near 300hp in order to be worth $30k. dont forget that GM now has 100k mile warranty. i would consider the g6 gxp depending on its price and power. for $30k id just buy a 350z, but for $26-$28k id get it.

[AaronGTR]

I think its still going to take GM awhile to realize they are priced to high compared to foreign brand cars. You get more for your money with companies like Nissan and Mazda. GM upping their warrenty helps, but we are still paying the same price for the same piece of crap.

Are you freakin' kidding me? Did you actually do ANY research before making that assanine statement?

Only time will tell, but I just don't see GM making anything that appeals to the crowd that hangs on these boards. They need to make something that not only looks good, but feels good, has some power, and isnt $7k more than similar competitors vehicles that are put together better, fit and finish.

If they do produce the G6 GXP concept, it won't sell if its more that $26k. above that, there are so many more options for the money, Like a loaded Mazda 6, or a Nissan Ultima.... sure their 4 door, but you know what Im getting at.


Obviously not. Let me enlighten you. I'll even throw honda in for good measure.


Accord EX V6
SOHC 24 valve 3.0L V6 with V-TEC
244hp and 211 lb/ft torque
Sedan is $27,400 with a 6spd manual, $27,995 with a 5spd auto.
$28,095 for the coupe

Nissan Altima 3.5SL (the trim model which is comparable to a G6 GTP)
DOHC 24 valve 3.5L V6 with CVTCS
250hp and 249 lb/ft torque
$27,400 with a 5spd auto only
If you want a 5spd manual or optional 4 or 5spd auto you have to go to the cheaper SE trim model.
Going up to the SE-R model which comes standard with 260hp, a 6spd manual, and 18" wheels takes you up to $29,650.

Mazda6 S grand touring (again, comparable trim options)
DOHC 24 valve 3.0L V6 with VVT
212hp and 197 ft/lbs torque... lol
5spd manual will run you $26,645
6spd auto will run you $27,595
Again, jumping to the up model mazdaspeed6 will get you the 2.3L DOHC 16v inline 4 direct injection turbo with 274hp and 280lb/ft, 4WD, and a 6spd manual... and will also jump the start price to $28,555. $30,485 if you want the goodies like power seats, leather, premium stereo, etc that the other manufacturers models have standard at lower cost.


Pontiac G6 GTP
basic options like sun and sound package with the sunroof and premium stereo, factory remote start, and leather seats.
Sedan gets 3.6L DOHC V6 with VVT
252hp and 251ft/lbs torque with a 6spd auto
$27,465
Coupe gets 3.9L pushrod V6 with VVT
240hp and 240ft/lbs torque with a 6spd manual
$27,265


I found all this directly from the manufacturers websites with about 5min of searching. I dunno but I fail to see the huge over pricing of GM's premium models compared to similarly equiped and power cars from their competitors. And according to all the market surveys the gap in quality and reliability between them and GM is now small or non existent, and GM is actually ahead of some of them, so thats just a load of BS. People have not gotten over the stigma of domestic quality that is just not real any more. That was twenty years ago. :rolleyes:

[Mirage85]

Are you freakin' kidding me? Did you actually do ANY research before making that assanine statement?




Obviously not. Let me enlighten you. I'll even throw honda in for good measure.


Accord EX V6
SOHC 24 valve 3.0L V6 with V-TEC
244hp and 211 lb/ft torque
Sedan is $27,400 with a 6spd manual, $27,995 with a 5spd auto.
$28,095 for the coupe

Nissan Altima 3.5SL (the trim model which is comparable to a G6 GTP)
DOHC 24 valve 3.5L V6 with CVTCS
250hp and 249 lb/ft torque
$27,400 with a 5spd auto only
If you want a 5spd manual or optional 4 or 5spd auto you have to go to the cheaper SE trim model.
Going up to the SE-R model which comes standard with 260hp, a 6spd manual, and 18" wheels takes you up to $29,650.

Mazda6 S grand touring (again, comparable trim options)
DOHC 24 valve 3.0L V6 with VVT
212hp and 197 ft/lbs torque... lol
5spd manual will run you $26,645
6spd auto will run you $27,595
Again, jumping to the up model mazdaspeed6 will get you the 2.3L DOHC 16v inline 4 direct injection turbo with 274hp and 280lb/ft, 4WD, and a 6spd manual... and will also jump the start price to $28,555. $30,485 if you want the goodies like power seats, leather, premium stereo, etc that the other manufacturers models have standard at lower cost.


Pontiac G6 GTP
basic options like sun and sound package with the sunroof and premium stereo, factory remote start, and leather seats.
Sedan gets 3.6L DOHC V6 with VVT
252hp and 251ft/lbs torque with a 6spd auto
$27,465
Coupe gets 3.9L pushrod V6 with VVT
240hp and 240ft/lbs torque with a 6spd manual
$27,265


I found all this directly from the manufacturers websites with about 5min of searching. I dunno but I fail to see the huge over pricing of GM's premium models compared to similarly equiped and power cars from their competitors. And according to all the market surveys the gap in quality and reliability between them and GM is now small or non existent, and GM is actually ahead of some of them, so thats just a load of BS. People have not gotten over the stigma of domestic quality that is just not real any more. That was twenty years ago. :rolleyes:

Chill dude, its all an opinion. And Im standing by it, but like I said, only time will tell.

[Braves299]

I like it.

[bigbenSC]

I dunno but I fail to see the huge over pricing of GM's premium models compared to similarly equiped and power cars from their competitors. And according to all the market surveys the gap in quality and reliability between them and GM is now small or non existent, and GM is actually ahead of some of them, so thats just a load of BS. People have not gotten over the stigma of domestic quality that is just not real any more. That was twenty years ago. :rolleyes:
Like it or not, the poor quality reputation still exists and will take a long time to go away. A good way to start would be to price your cars less than the competition and offer the same, if not better performance.

[lone_wolf025]

Sedan gets 3.6L DOHC V6 with VVT
252hp and 251ft/lbs torque with a 6spd auto
$27,465
Coupe gets 3.9L pushrod V6 with VVT
240hp and 240ft/lbs torque with a 6spd manual
$27,265

Wait so for an extra $200 you get more power, smaller engine, and an auto. But you get the coupe w/less power, bigger engine, and manual? Is it just me or do these numbers strike anyone else as odd? I don't doubt the authenticy of these numbers its just confusing the living daylights outta me...

[AaronGTR]

Wait so for an extra $200 you get more power, smaller engine, and an auto. But you get the coupe w/less power, bigger engine, and manual? Is it just me or do these numbers strike anyone else as odd? I don't doubt the authenticy of these numbers its just confusing the living daylights outta me...


Yeah, it is a little weird. The sedan gets the higher tech engine. I heard they did that because the 6 spd auto can handle more torque than the manual can, but they matched up the 6spd manual with the 3.9L to give it better gearing and because it has a limited slip differential. Who knows if thats true or not, just what I heard. I'm also not sure if the auto has an LSD or not. All I know is for the price and what you get, the sedan is a dang nice car and the fit and quality on those G6's is really nice. If I needed something with that much room I'd get the sedan. If I was looking for a smaller car that handled better with more power, I'd actually look at the new mazdaspeed3. It's a beast from what I've been hearing.


As for pricing cars under the competitors, GM can hardly afford to do that, as can anyone else. Thats why their prices are similar for similar equipment.

[caraudiodave]

aaronGTR, you showed the altima 3.5SL (with leather) but you forgot that the 3.5SE is $23K with the same engine, and sportier suspension. the 3.5SL is overpriced.

i do agree that the G6 isnt HUGLY overpriced, but it is overpriced slightly. keep in mind that GM stil has a reputation to fix, so they need to undercut the competition, they dont have the luxury of just pricing themselves competitively.

[Cormaster]

Hold up... I was just on pontiac's site not too long ago building a G6 GTP coupe and I had the 251hp 3.6 liter engine as my motor. From my understanding the 3.9 liter is getting phased out, and the only reason the 3.6 liter doesn't have the manual is because GM is still developing it... expect it to be out next year. Anyway I imagine if they are going to do it RIGHT they will release this G6 GXP with something close to 300hp with the 3.6 liter, since the Grand Prix's going to be going RWD and getting 365 hp...

[AaronGTR]

aaronGTR, you showed the altima 3.5SL (with leather) but you forgot that the 3.5SE is $23K with the same engine, and sportier suspension. the 3.5SL is overpriced.

i do agree that the G6 isnt HUGLY overpriced, but it is overpriced slightly. keep in mind that GM stil has a reputation to fix, so they need to undercut the competition, they dont have the luxury of just pricing themselves competitively.


No I didn't forget the 3.5SE. Go back and read my post again. I mentioned that it was available but with different transmission options but less interior options etc and I used the SL because it was equiped similarly to a G6 GTP which is where I draw the price comparison. If you want to compare a 3.5SE then use a base G6 GT and whamo, you've got the same price range again. Pay attention next time.

[Rich]

and the only reason the 3.6 liter doesn't have the manual is because GM is still developing it... expect it to be out next year.

well lets not forgot another familiar car that was possibly going to come with a manual v6...

[caraudiodave]

No I didn't forget the 3.5SE. Go back and read my post again. I mentioned that it was available but with different transmission options but less interior options etc and I used the SL because it was equiped similarly to a G6 GTP which is where I draw the price comparison. If you want to compare a 3.5SE then use a base G6 GT and whamo, you've got the same price range again. Pay attention next time.


yea but the 3.5SE has 250 hp, what does the G6 GT have again? i pay attention.

[AaronGTR]

yea but the 3.5SE has 250 hp, what does the G6 GT have again? i pay attention.


Ok fine. Take a 3.5SE... it only comes with a 5spd auto or 5spd manual. The manual "starts" at $23,600. If you want the 5spd auto it's $24,215 and I'd have to add another $615 to that for handling and destination charge so that would be $24,865. Thats with no options at all. No leather, no sunroof, NO REAR WING, cheapo wheels, cheapo stereo. You're getting me...


So take a G6 GTP sedan with the cloth interior instead of leather. It already comes with all the premium stuff including the 8 speaker monsoon stereo. About the only options are the power sunroof, remote start, in-dash 6 disc changer, and chrome wheels. It also has the 251hp engine, and comes with a 6 spd auto instead of 5spd and 18" wheels compared to 17's on the nissan. Base price $25,115. So for under a grand more I get all the good options plus an extra gear and one size bigger wheels. Granted, most of the cars on dealer lots have more options added and are in the $27k range, but I could have that $25k car if I wanted it. Face it dude, your just wrong about this.

[Cormaster]

Honestly I'd take a G6 over all of them inspite of knowing GM's quality reputation. The G6 is the nicest looking midsize car out there right now, not saying I don't like its competitors either, but its my favorite looking one, and even with their quality issues, yeah the accord may last 20 years but who keeps a car that long anyway?

[GTLUVA]

Honestly I'd take a G6 over all of them inspite of knowing GM's quality reputation. The G6 is the nicest looking midsize car out there right now, not saying I don't like its competitors either, but its my favorite looking one, and even with their quality issues, yeah the accord may last 20 years but who keeps a car that long anyway?

True! I'm about to roll the big 10,000 miles on my G6 and I'm satisfed. I had in the dealership a couple of times for some warranty work but nothing too major. I got more compliments on my G6 then I did on my old grand am.

[GregFarz78]

If you're going to mod it which would you rather mod a new/unproven GM 3.9L or a proven and reliable VQ35...more aftermarket support also. The GTP would be a good pick for a used car wait 2 years till it drops 50-60% in value, I'd never buy one brand new.

[AaronGTR]

^The 3.5 DOHC in the G6 GTP sedan has been around for a while in the cadilacs though so it's proven. Maybe not much after market, but I would't be buying any of these cars we've been talking about for modding purposes. Just daily driving.

On the topic of quality, Nissan announced today they're recalling 130,000 vehicles including 70,000 Murano's and 10,000 Maxima's for a problem with their intelligent key device. GoooooOOOOO Nissan! Just adds more weight to my argument that no manufacturer is perfect. The japanese just do a better job slanting media propoganda to continue the myth long past the point where it's true.

[bigbenSC]

^ The DOHC engine's displacement is 3.6L...

[RedGrandTour]

That GXP concept looks nice. Real racy looking, the lip spoiler makes it look like a G35 coupe. I remember when I purchased my GT in 99, people would say pontiac's were "plastic" looking cars. Now just about every car on the road is sculpted plastic. I think GM is still the best with 5mph bumper.

[caraudiodave]

Face it dude, your just wrong about this.

im not wrong. even with the recalls that nissan has had, id rather get a nissan then a pontiac, everything else equal. i dont really like the leather in either of these cars, so id get cloth anyways, and moonroof is neither here nor there.

im only wrong according to YOUR opinion.

also, dont forget that were comparing a nissan thats been out since 2002, to a pontiac that JUST came out. the new altima is coming out, lets see what happens then.