Pacesetter exhaust? [Archive] - GrandAmGT.com Forum

KpazzH0ly

11-01-2006, 06:07 PM

I dont think I have ever seen this being discussed here. If so plz delete. Anyway I was browsing the internet for my friends car and came upon this.

http://www.car-stuff.com/performance/quote.php?make=22&year=2000&model=244&brand=2287&part_name=83&category=

anyone know anything?

ganut

11-01-2006, 06:34 PM

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54860

they used my car as the test mule, and it's done, just not on my car yet. (long and drawn out process partly due to me and partly due to pacesetter.)

You can order it now I'm sure, but it has yet to be installed on anyone's car.

It's a 2.5" setup with quad tips. When I get around to getting it on my car, I'll try and post sound clips, but it probably won't sound the same due to the fact that I have a 2.4 liter I-4 with a supercharger and header.

My advice. Call or email pacesetter. Order it. Install it. It's a very good price, and they are good people to deal with.

KpazzH0ly

11-01-2006, 06:44 PM

Yea but how can the exhaust be different from a v6? I mean its a catback right? Its only 200 bucks, I can order that right now, just for ****s and giggles, and be a test dummy bitch.

lvemy3100

11-01-2006, 06:50 PM

Paulie, in the thread about it he said that it WILL fit the 2.2, 2.4, and 3.4

I say order it...

ganut

11-01-2006, 07:19 PM

Oh I know it'll fit. That's why we took the time to get a stock GT muffler and tips. To make sure it'll even fit the gt rear fascia. I was just saying that the sound will be different due to the different engines.

drumking1721

11-01-2006, 07:20 PM

boy i wish i had $200 laying around, wanna help pay for college?

Torrentman

11-02-2006, 11:49 AM

Don’t mean to hijack the tread but on that same website, they have a universal magnaflow catalytic converter 53000 series for about 50 bucks. Is this a good item/price for a cat?… will it work on grand am?

http://www.car-stuff.com/performance/quote.php?make=22&year=2000&model=244&brand=2326&part_name=355&category=

jburr008

11-02-2006, 11:58 AM

http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/monza.htm

look here, it says that this system is only to be used with the 2.2 and 2.4, it does not say anything about the 3.4 Litre.

lvemy3100

11-02-2006, 12:31 PM

http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/monza.htm

look here, it says that this system is only to be used with the 2.2 and 2.4, it does not say anything about the 3.4 Litre.

it does not list it for the 3.4 BUT borla lists their cat bck for all 3 motors (p/n 14821) http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts-mufflers/61A1903A0A0A1926196.aspx

cant see why it wouldnt work....

coupe

11-02-2006, 12:42 PM

It will work on all the engine sizes the same as any other cat-back for a GA.
Dont know why anyone would wanna put it on a GT though.

coupe

11-02-2006, 12:43 PM

Torrentman

11-02-2006, 12:44 PM

What do you think universal means?
I could put it on my lawn mower if i wanted to.

cool :D

coupe

11-02-2006, 12:46 PM

BTW its $120 not $50.
performancepeddler.com is the cheapest place to get a HF cat.

Edit: My bad, i didnt scroll down, you where right, ~$50

Torrentman

11-02-2006, 12:59 PM

BTW its $120 not $50.
performancepeddler.com is the cheapest place to get a HF cat.

Edit: My bad, i didnt scroll down, you where right, ~$50

yeah i'm going for the cheaper one. Since i'm not in any rush to get one, i'm pretty much just price shopping right now. Thanks for that site though.

lvemy3100

11-02-2006, 01:13 PM

..Dont know why anyone would wanna put it on a GT though.

why is that?

coupe

11-02-2006, 01:17 PM

Only comes out one side.
It would make the rear look like its missing something.
It might look OK if you cut out the rear diffuser, even then it would still look funny.

badboy2451

11-02-2006, 01:23 PM

i though it was quad tips?

poika

11-02-2006, 01:27 PM

Here is the email i got from a dude named Eric about 2 weeks ago when I was wondering the same thing.

hello , the exhaust is single going into the muffler and dual out lets , with 2 tips on each side .

Eric Remboldt
Customer Service
602-266-1964
eremboldt@pacesetterexhaust.com

I am thinking of picking one up... the price is right ;)

coupe

11-02-2006, 01:33 PM

i though it was quad tips?

Says dual, look at the pic, they only come out one side.

Thats what happens when ya send an SE to do a GT's job lol

poika

11-02-2006, 01:36 PM

Also the guy told me to ignore the picture, it isnt the same one they send for the GT.

Doesnt make sense to me, if anyone can get more info out of them, that would be great!!

coupe

11-02-2006, 01:43 PM

I wouldnt buy it until they have a pic of the GT exhuast.

poika

11-02-2006, 01:45 PM

but even if they dont have pics..., nothign is stopping you from getting a better muffler to get your dual tips... if all else fails that is... and you're still saving mega bucks.

coupe

11-02-2006, 01:53 PM

I dont see how.

coupe

11-02-2006, 01:55 PM

Roughly
$270 for the system
new tranverse muffler ~$80
Another set of tips ~$50
More pipeing to install the new transverse muffler ~$20.

~$420

No thanks

coupe

11-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Oh and dont forget, for those who have to pay to have it done, expect 1 hour labor at ~$60 an hour.

~$480

Edit: Dont forget shipping costs..........

badboy2451

11-02-2006, 02:16 PM

meh, it def makes a difference on how the outlet is...my money is on quad tips but ill wait until im totally positive of this (ie pictures and what not)

KpazzH0ly

11-02-2006, 05:03 PM

well **** Im looking for an exhaust. The thing is I want some headers first, cuz I had my car on the rack. And I was noticing that my exhausted is rusted on. I really dont want to use a torch...And plus I rather just get headers and exhaust together. Lets put it this way. Ill call or contact pace setter and see if they have pics or w/e. If its got tips on both sides, I'll buy it, put it on and take pics. Well lvemy3100 will. So let me go search right now for a number.

KpazzH0ly

11-02-2006, 05:04 PM

wow....um i ono what happend....

lvemy3100

11-02-2006, 05:14 PM

Eric Remboldt
Customer Service
602-266-1964
eremboldt@pacesetterexhaust.com

ganut

11-02-2006, 05:45 PM

http://www.aedcentral.com/photopost/data/583HPIM0393-med.jpg

Looks like quad tips to me.

and a pic of the ceramic coated header too ;)

http://www.aedcentral.com/photopost/data/583header-med.jpg

ganut

11-02-2006, 05:47 PM

Eric Remboldt
Customer Service
602-266-1964
eremboldt@pacesetterexhaust.com

yes eric is the man. Good guy. He's leaving for sema right now though. Won't be back till monday. He's just going for the end of the show and to hang out in vegas for the weekend

ganut

11-02-2006, 05:51 PM

Says dual, look at the pic, they only come out one side.

Thats what happens when ya send an SE to do a GT's job lol

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

How many new products have you brought to the table for the community coupe?

I know I'm responsible for two. And if you would have read any of the 2 threads about this, you'd know that it was setup for a GT as well. Matter of fact they're already on their 2nd production run of these, so lot's of people have already bought. I just was not in a hurry to pick mine up.

boost21

11-02-2006, 06:03 PM

hey mike, can you post a pic of the actual muffler? and is there a resonator on the setup??

Thanks

ganut

11-02-2006, 06:06 PM

no resonator, and I didn't get the muffler, cuz I already have one that I like the sound of. It's just a simple single in dual out muffler though I might go ahead and get the muffler now that I think about it. Just for comparison purposes.

Ajaxus

11-02-2006, 06:09 PM

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

How many new products have you brought to the table for the community coupe?

I know I'm responsible for two. And if you would have read any of the 2 threads about this, you'd know that it was setup for a GT as well. Matter of fact they're already on their 2nd production run of these, so lot's of people have already bought. I just was not in a hurry to pick mine up.

Wait, coupe gets shot down because he looks at the picture that they provide and it shows it as a single out? I think you need to go after pacesetter for not providing a picture of the GT version and being deceitful as to what it looks like.

As for coupe doing anything for the community, you might try straying into the all shine forums where he has helped numerous people with fixing the paint on their cars and improving overall appearance as well as condition of their cars. You might bring in products to improve performance, but unlike you coupe brings in products that improve resale value.

You both bring something to the community, no need to bash on such trivial matters. I call it how I see it.

ganut

11-02-2006, 06:19 PM

whatever, he came off like an ass. I know coupe knows his sh!t as far as detailing and whatnot, but like I said if he would have read anything about it he would have known what was up. They used a file pic just for the site. I was at the shop when they mocked it up and when it was being finished to go into production, so you may as well take it from the horses mouth rather than a pic from the site that's been there since before they even were finished with the product.

he wasn't getting shot down, he was just getting treated with the same amount of respect as i saw him give. I have no beef with coupe, but he should have really read before spouting off stupid crap.

and we all know that the resale value of these cars are crap anyways. waxed or not.

Ajaxus

11-02-2006, 06:33 PM

His sending an SE to do a GT job was a joke, and he was pointing out what the picture showed. Typically sellers show the pictures of the actual product, so coupe only assumed what any buyer would assume when looking at the picture. And we thank you for letting us know the picture isn't what the real product is. Again, I believe coupe was joking more than "spouting off stupid crap"

As for resale, yes on these cars it isn't that great. But proper care of the exterior and interior, and especially engine, has been shown on all cars to improve resale value, which is what I was trying to point out.

KpazzH0ly

11-02-2006, 07:13 PM

The resale value would only help if you sell as individual, not at all at dealer.

Anyway lets not talk about this. This topic is something that I want to keep up.

Quick question? What metal is this exhaust made of, and do you have a picture of the pipe where it goes over the axle?
Ok so theres another question? Do they have any dyno numbers? I dont care if the exhaust is 270 dollars or not, I dont need an exhuast to look good.

GANUT you were talking about 3.4 headers by pacesetter in that other thread? What was the last word?

Ajaxus

11-02-2006, 07:17 PM

I'm not trying to shoot it down, and with the mention of headers I'm waiting to hear from ganut.. :)

coupe

11-02-2006, 07:21 PM

ttah8

11-02-2006, 07:31 PM

i may be willing to be the guinea pig and buy the kit and take pics of it for everyone. 270 is a nice price, i wish i knew how it sounded compared to slp and borla. pacesetter is a pretty good name, i cant imagine them being that bad. the only thing im worried about is that it'll be a sound i'll hate or the piping is all screwy and mismeasured. I have a flowmaster 80 now w/o resonator and i'm pretty happy...but always looking to improve.

harvester45

11-02-2006, 07:39 PM

I like the look of this setup, let us know if you get it ttah8. I'm hitting a wall on how much boost I can run, and I'm pretty sure it's this garden hose-size exhaust I've got. lol

ganut

11-02-2006, 11:37 PM

Im sorry Mike, did you not notice the smiley?

AJ summed up what i was getting at. The pic and the description didnt match anything that was being said by pacesetter. That would set off red flags for any buyer with half a brain.

All is good I kinda took it out of context Rand.

as far as headers for the 3400, I have no clue if they want to pursue it. I can always ask though.

ttah8

11-03-2006, 02:06 AM

i guess after some prelim research before my decision of purchase, I found out that the tubing for the Monza systems are 16-gauge ALUMINIZED from their website. While like SLP is stainless steel, hence the lifetime warranty probably. So the Pacesetter being aluminized probably cut the costs way down and doesnt that also decrease life of the system? i dont want an exhaust system that is going to rust over in a 2-3 years.

coupe

11-03-2006, 06:15 AM

For $270 who cares. If it falls apart in a few years buy another one.

poika

11-03-2006, 10:40 AM

For $270 who cares. If it falls apart in a few years buy another one.

very true...now all i have to worry about is duty on shipping to canada.... man does it ever kill.

DrFabulous

11-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Mike.... is that a DP I see with that header??? As in.... Pacesetter makes a downpipe for the 2.4 GA? I was just about to get one custom made, but.....

billytheman1188

11-04-2006, 04:15 PM

Hey everyone, now i have a 02 3400 alero and i am gonna be buying this exhaust sometime next week. I havent seen an exhaust this cheap for the 3.4 alero yet so im pretty damn excited

ganut

11-04-2006, 04:41 PM

Mike.... is that a DP I see with that header??? As in.... Pacesetter makes a downpipe for the 2.4 GA? I was just about to get one custom made, but.....

yes that is a downpipe.

I highly reccomend the Pacesetter header, but definitley get it coated.

I just kinda thought about this.... you could get a header to tip exhaust for like $600. Not bad.

I only paid like 170 for everything, but that's just cuz I let them use my car, and cuz I know Eric.

ganut

11-04-2006, 06:15 PM

If you want more pics of the DP just let me know

DrFabulous

11-04-2006, 07:30 PM

If you want more pics of the DP just let me know

fo shizzle! I already have the header.... what size is the DP?

ganut

11-04-2006, 08:56 PM

the collector on the header is 2.5" the downpipe itself is 2.25"

kinda makes me wanna get a 2.5" DP made up to match the rest of my exhaust.

gimme a sec to upload the pics. The pics aren't the greatest cuz the flash was being a biotch.

ganut

11-04-2006, 09:11 PM

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/816000-816999/816505_57_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/816000-816999/816505_56_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/816000-816999/816505_55_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/816000-816999/816505_58_full.jpg

sorry they're linked from cardomain, and the site was giving me some issues

ttah8

11-05-2006, 01:29 PM

im too much of wuss to be the first to try the system, props and thanks to you billytheman. but you definately need to take a lot of pics, sound clips for all of us, and let us know how the install went. AND you can get it for 256 bucks if you buy it on ebay from autopartswarehouse.

KpazzH0ly

11-05-2006, 02:27 PM

I know this might be a stupid question, but cant you coat the exhaust so it wont rust?

lvemy3100

11-05-2006, 02:30 PM

I know this might be a stupid question, but cant you coat the exhaust so it wont rust?

simply put... yes you can

i am sure someone will post up some of the avail coatings but if not I will try to find a link to one of my favorites..

lvemy3100

11-05-2006, 02:38 PM

I havent ordered from this store but it will give an idea of pricing http://www.porcan.com/usa/hightempcoatings.asp

official site- http://www.por15.com/

KpazzH0ly

11-05-2006, 04:47 PM

how much will i need guy?

lvemy3100

11-05-2006, 05:12 PM

http://www.por15.com/SUPPORT/PRODUCTBULLETINS/POR15TECHNICALDATA/tabid/162/Default.aspx

Application: Brush, roller, spray
Spreadability: 96 sq. ft. per quart, 384 so. Ft. per gallon.
Elongation rate: 79%
Drying Time: Depends on ambient humidity. High humidity equals faster dry time, which varies from 3 to 6 hours.
Porosity: None
Viscosity: 250 - 500cps at approximately 77ºF

billytheman1188

11-06-2006, 09:58 AM

I want to get this exhaust, i cant beleive im the first to try it though! Does anybody know how big the piping is????? is it 2.25 or 2.50????

billytheman1188

11-06-2006, 04:34 PM

Anybody know the size????? i wanna get headers in the future, and people told me to get 2.5 piping, cause that would work better with the headers. I hope this exhaust is 2.5lol

KpazzH0ly

11-06-2006, 06:08 PM

I believe its been said in here that its 2.5"

ganut

11-06-2006, 06:15 PM

2.5

KpazzH0ly

11-06-2006, 06:17 PM

GANUT seriously, do they have a dyno sheet? and do you have a picture on where the exhaust goes over the suspension. I am really interested in seeing that.

billytheman1188

11-06-2006, 09:45 PM

Thanks guys. Im expecting to order this by the end of the week. When i get it put on i will take pictures and do a soundclip. I hope everything goes smooth though.

ganut

11-06-2006, 10:47 PM

no dyno, and I'll get a pic of the over-axle section for u soon. I'm a single dad, and sometimes it's hard to find time to get pics.

SpyhunteR

11-06-2006, 10:50 PM

why do you guys need a dyno sheet?
SLP nor Borla never gave dyno sheets to us.

harvester45

11-07-2006, 01:16 AM

why do you guys need a dyno sheet?
SLP nor Borla never gave dyno sheets to us.

True, and it's a 2.5" exhaust, so the gains should be comparable. Everybody is questioning this exhaust, but if it cost $200 more, people would probably be all over it. Just buy it. Get a few cans of high temp spray paint if you're worried about rust and bolt that sucker on! Let's support companies who are making good alternatives for us!

timberwoof

11-07-2006, 01:51 AM

Sorry I stepped in on a convo so later, but how much are they and are they ceramin coated?

billytheman1188

11-07-2006, 09:04 AM

http://www.car-stuff.com/performance...e=83&category=

$271.67, free shipping, i dont know how much it will be after tax.

Im thinking of buying a little can of that stuff to put over the exhaust.

jackal2000

11-07-2006, 03:37 PM

yeah i'm going for the cheaper one. Since i'm not in any rush to get one, i'm pretty much just price shopping right now. Thanks for that site though.
i just bought a 2.5" high flow cat off ebay for $47 shipped

jackal2000

11-07-2006, 03:39 PM

kind of OT but this is an exhaust thread...anyone ever route a custom exhaust UNDER the rear axle?

billytheman1188

11-07-2006, 04:14 PM

hmmm so why did my other thread get deleted??????? gay sh*t if you ask me

DrFabulous

11-07-2006, 04:20 PM

DrFabulous

11-07-2006, 04:20 PM

hmmm so why did my other thread get deleted??????? gay sh*t if you ask me

Not the place to ask or way to ask. PM a mod.

jackal2000

11-07-2006, 04:23 PM

hmmm so why did my other thread get deleted??????? gay sh*t if you ask me
it wasnt deleted, it was moved nOOb. you posted in the wrong section. check the personal car news section. lol

KpazzH0ly

11-07-2006, 04:27 PM

why do you guys need a dyno sheet?
SLP nor Borla never gave dyno sheets to us.
Hey, SHUT UP! :-p

More than likely Ill order it either next week or the following week.

ganut

11-07-2006, 05:14 PM

2.25, eh? Damn. I have 2.5 all the way back. How much is it? If its a good price, I might consider.

not sure how much it is just for the DP. It comes with the header.

99blackSE

11-08-2006, 08:32 AM

Really interested to hear how this will sound on a V6.

billytheman1188

11-08-2006, 08:55 AM

it wasnt deleted, it was moved nOOb. you posted in the wrong section. check the personal car news section. lol

lol your an idiot jackal, haha. Im not a noob, but i was looking where to post it and i didnt find any other good places to put the post so i put it in the performance one, lol.

Pitter98

11-08-2006, 10:14 AM

kind of OT but this is an exhaust thread...anyone ever route a custom exhaust UNDER the rear axle?

I saw a late 90's Lumina the other day with an aftermarket exhaust that went under the rear axle.....I about laughed my @$$ off cuz it looked like crap. The funny thing was we had stopped at a light and he thought he was cool by chirping his tires and taking off fast after pulling up next to a 90's GA with a fart can muffler on it.

If you gonna spend the money on it, do it right and go over the rear axle....it looks like crap under the axle because you can see all the piping when you get behind the car (plus after a couple years when it gets rusty it's even worse). Also, if you want to lower your car you risk the chance of screwing up your piping by hitting bumps because it's so close to the ground that way. Just my 2 cents on it....but a decent muffler shop can go over the axle and do it right.

jackal2000

11-08-2006, 10:55 AM

If you gonna spend the money on it, do it right and go over the rear axle....it looks like crap under the axle because you can see all the piping when you get behind the car (plus after a couple years when it gets rusty it's even worse). Also, if you want to lower your car you risk the chance of screwing up your piping by hitting bumps because it's so close to the ground that way. Just my 2 cents on it....but a decent muffler shop can go over the axle and do it right.

i guess i wasnt clear and i apologize for that. from a PERFORMANCE stand point would make it a difference? does the bend over the axle hurt flow in any way? i dont think a stainless steel pipe under the axle would look bad.

i already have a custom exhaust on my car that goes over the axle, obviously.

pyro

11-08-2006, 11:01 AM

jackal2000

11-08-2006, 12:54 PM

dont half ass it, just put the pipe above. it will look bad.
GTFO if you arent going to answer the question.

Pitter98

11-08-2006, 01:22 PM

i guess i wasnt clear and i apologize for that. from a PERFORMANCE stand point would make it a difference? does the bend over the axle hurt flow in any way? i dont think a stainless steel pipe under the axle would look bad.

i already have a custom exhaust on my car that goes over the axle, obviously.

Yeah, as far as aesthetics goes.....it's a personal choice - some cars you would hardly be able to notice the difference of over vs. under - the one I saw was just very noticeable.

As far as performance goes, I would have to say it depends on how it's done. If it's pressure bent (the cheap crinkly looking pipes), you are gonna lose some flow by going up over the axle because there will be a lot of flattening of the pipe. If it's mandrel bent (stays almost completely round), then there shouldn't much/if any loss of flow going over the axle. Now I'm by no means an expert here and somebody more knowledgeable could explain more, but that seems to be the general consensus about exhaust flow.

bu01

11-08-2006, 01:26 PM

spy in his turbo grand am has his exhaust under the axle i think ask him

timberwoof

11-09-2006, 03:27 AM

Is this debate about what looks good or what actually works? because hiding it is always better looking, and more practical, especially if you have alot of bumps in your roadways.

DrFabulous

11-10-2006, 05:22 PM

If indeed it hurt performance because of the additional bend, it would be about a quarter of horsepower. Don't you think that every stock and aftermarket GA exhaust runs over the axel for a reason?

amerpwr

11-22-2006, 02:20 PM

Mirage85

11-22-2006, 02:32 PM

i got a question.... how is www.car-stuff.com sellin the pacesetter exhaust system for cheaper than pacesetter is and they have free shipping? just a thought

Pacesetter's website:
88-1474 99-04 Pontiac Grand Am, Oldsmobile Alero, 2.4L, 2.2L Ecotec $379.95

Car-Stuff.com:
MONZA PERFORMANCE EXHAUST SYSTEM 1999 Pontiac Grand Am $265.95
Free Shipping - Orders Over $50 Dollars

This is usually the case when you buy directly from the manufacture. Most manufactures dont sell directly to customers, but when they do, they sell it at the MSRP, that way their vendors can sell it cheaper and be more competitve. This gives you the option to buy Directly from the maufacture for a few reasons, example, your not comfortable buying it from another site, or cant find it anywhere else.

So, Monza pays XXX.XX for the exhaist and has a X % markup. example, they pay $175 for the exhaust then mark it up to 265 so they can make some money off it.

Pace Setter sells it at their MSRP to deter you from buying from them, they want you to buy from someone else, but are still giving you the option. Most manufactures refuse to sell to anyone that is not going to distribute their items.

amerpwr

11-22-2006, 02:49 PM

ooo ok thanks..i might get this from car-stuff.com anyone got these installed for 2.4l?

Rich

11-22-2006, 02:50 PM

it was made from using a car with the 2.4. and even if it wasn't it would still fit.

rickhigginshtbr

11-22-2006, 11:56 PM

bryanw0087

04-05-2007, 09:54 PM

my whole issue is that I heard the muffler on these falls apart real quick and is raspy as hell on the j-bod's. but at the same time even if you replace the muffler, it's still a good price for all that mandrel bent piping + decent looking tips.

yeah i was wondering how the pacesetter holds up because im going to need it to last 4 years probably, and if its gonna last a year or soemthing and id need a new one then im not going to order it

King Justice

04-07-2007, 02:25 PM

Can someone tell me the difference between a GT's stock exhaust and SE's stock exhaust??

timberwoof

04-07-2007, 09:16 PM

Can someone tell me the difference between a GT's stock exhaust and SE's stock exhaust??

Uh have you not seen the difference???

Jake

04-07-2007, 09:38 PM

GT is dual Se isnt? Maybe? lol

Rainbow1616

04-09-2007, 05:50 AM

Whats the deal? Pacesetter is not listed on a lot of car sites anymore including car-stuff.com? On Pacesetter site its well over $400??
Anyone know where to get it cheaper? Thanks

Banditlead

04-22-2007, 11:16 PM

So, after the millions of threads on this exhaust, the only picture I could find of this exhaust installed is on an Alero, and its pretty dark.

What is up with that Yellow Tape Trim!? Anyone with a Grand Am get it installed it?

williamGT

04-22-2007, 11:20 PM

my friend is waiting for his pacesetter exhaust for his 01GASE 2.4L......i'll post some pic's when me and him put it on.

Banditlead

04-23-2007, 07:21 PM

Interesting, its not on any car sites anymore. At least, not that I can find.
Besides, its not listed for the 3.4, though I think I read correctly, that it can be used with the 3.4?

Rich

04-23-2007, 07:24 PM

Yes!

ryanbgb22

04-23-2007, 07:37 PM

did you try www.autopartswarehouse.com?

Banditlead

04-23-2007, 08:07 PM

Yeah, unless im retarded and messing something up.
I put in 2002, Grand Am, and go to Exhaust Systems... and just the Borla pops up.

Edit, found one site that sells the Exhaust Still, They also have a header for the 3.4 Liter, but says that the headers also fit the 2.2.... so how can that be?

http://www.superexhaust.com/cgi-bin/stores/products?vendor_code=PCS&category_id=0&app_lookup=main&session_id=bcbc29497d2ba357764bd620db251779

Banditlead

05-17-2007, 10:12 AM

Any updates on those pictures?

cardude007617

05-17-2007, 12:47 PM

arent their exhaust systems garbage? or no

Banditlead

05-21-2007, 10:24 AM

arent their exhaust systems garbage? or no

Don't see how it can be worse then stock, and the local shop I trust does not want to waste there time doing an exhaust.
And I really cant justify 800 dollars for a Boral. So, this seems like a good compromise. Its going to rust in a few years, but its 300 dollars. I can replace it almost 3 times in 10 years, and still equal the cost of the Borla.
Though everyone seems to agree, replace the resonator.

Ajaxus

05-21-2007, 10:31 AM

Don't see how it can be worse then stock, and the local shop I trust does not want to waste there time doing an exhaust.
And I really cant justify 800 dollars for a Boral. So, this seems like a good compromise. Its going to rust in a few years, but its 300 dollars. I can replace it almost 3 times in 10 years, and still equal the cost of the Borla.
Though everyone seems to agree, replace the resonator.

hm, that's a lazy shop. it wouldn't take them that much time to mock up a 2.5" catback exhaust with either a magnaflow or flowmaster muffler...besides, they should be in it for the money, not for their time.

that aside, to my knowledge i don't thinkthere is an exhaust out by pacesetter for the 3.4, you may be able to hook up their exhaust for the 2.2 but don't expect any spectacular gains as opposed to something custom..might as well stay stock and save the money instead of going to the extra trouble to get minimal gains at best.

also if you search around online you can find that borla dropped down to ~$600, and every once in awhile an SLP goes for sale on here for quite low prices.

cardude007617

05-21-2007, 12:53 PM

so are the pacesetter cat backs good?

gaowners32

05-21-2007, 01:09 PM

it depends i dont think it sounds all that great

cardude007617

05-21-2007, 01:18 PM

ok...that's wat ive mostly gathered as well, that it isnt that good.

rickhigginshtbr

05-21-2007, 06:53 PM

also if you search around online you can find that borla dropped down to ~$600, and every once in awhile an SLP goes for sale on here for quite low prices.

:applause: i snagged mine for $200, had to drive two hours and had to cut it off, but i got it for cheap.

King Justice

05-21-2007, 07:05 PM

Mine sounds good and my mechanic said it's built good, though he has a Pontiac GTO which I'm totally jealous of. :(

Banditlead

05-21-2007, 07:15 PM

Jay61581

05-23-2007, 08:05 PM

Here's a video clip of the Pacesetter cat-back I had installed on my car today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lofp81I1wU

Still undecided as to whether or not I like it, kinda sounds ricey at the higher rpm's.

gaowners32

05-23-2007, 08:30 PM

Yeah, I got recommended to go to another local shop, they do custom jobs all the time. I think its just the shop I went too, was a little too old school. If I had brought my Mustang, they probably woulda done it in a heart beat.
Oh well, what can you do?

which shop would do it? Get the pricing for it with a flow master muffler and high flow car. Im in Stamford,Ct and would be interested to get it done.

Banditlead

05-23-2007, 09:55 PM

Shop I went to first was "Mad Hatter Muffler and Brakes", since they have a good rep. No go there.
I hear Munroe Muffler loves cranking out custom exhausts, cause its quick and easy money. I don't want a flowmaster though, im going to try and go with a Magnaflow. I work Retail, so im working all week, so ill be going to the shops hopefully saturday.
Ill let you know.

And Jay, i see what you mean about the sound, but I think thats less the Exhaust and more the car. Do you have a four or the six? And the Exhaust LOOKS good, I like that alot.

Rich

05-24-2007, 12:57 AM

Jake

05-24-2007, 01:10 AM

Thats what i was wondering to

gaowners32

05-24-2007, 07:25 AM

Jay61581

05-24-2007, 07:47 PM

My motor is the 3.4 6...I agree it does LOOK good, though I plan on peeling those yellow stripes off the tips, I heard they are just tape.

coupe

05-24-2007, 08:13 PM

You own it, is it tape or not? Its that simple

Banditlead

05-24-2007, 09:38 PM

Im off saturday im actually going to be in milford checking out the mitzubishi dealer ship. hit up my cell i can met you there and see how they do your exhaust (203)667-5421

Not going in to have an exhaust put on, going to drive around talking to muffler shops. As a sales person, I hate when people call for prices. Its the same as saying "I dont give a **** about your time, or take any of this seriously." And I think that whoever you call and talk too, will treat it that way. So, I am just going to drive and see what works, and whos shop I get a good feel for. Wont get it installed till i get some money again (Viper just took a huge chunk out of my bank account) and get my Cold Air Intake on.

Banditlead

05-28-2007, 11:01 AM

Didn't get to go Saturday, girlfriend decided that she did not want to waste our saturday off together going from shop to shop.
Will go sometime when im off, and shes not.

timberwoof

05-28-2007, 11:15 AM

Didn't get to go Saturday, girlfriend decided that she did not want to waste our saturday off together going from shop to shop.
Will go sometime when im off, and shes not.

Thats the way I usually have to do it. Oh wait its the other way around. I don't like to go shopping with my wife. There's just something about going from store to store and standing around while she tries on things. I guess its the same with girls.

dongalonga

10-02-2007, 10:58 AM

Ok i am about to purchase this finally. A question for those that purchased already. How is the muffler compared to flowmaster in terms of sound. Also does the muffler appear to be descent quality?

onesexyga

10-02-2007, 11:50 AM

I dont own one, but i did see and hear one in person. The sound is kind of raspy. Not Honda civic fart cannon bad, but not a nice borla or something like that. It looked kind of cheap, being painted, but Im sure youll be fine if you keep an eye on it. If the paint really started chipping, you could just pull it and give it another coat. For the price, you get what you pay for, but its tough to beat for that kind of money.

Edit, just noticed your from vt, about an hour north of me.

dongalonga

10-02-2007, 12:08 PM

nice to see someone in the area with the same interest in cars. i had ss/slp/flowmaster combo on my last car and will most likely be selling the muffler from the kit and getting another 80 series as it sounds best to me.

onesexyga

10-02-2007, 06:25 PM

good plan. I actually just saw/heard the monza on a 6 cyl fiero at the NSRA nationals up in Burlington. Happen to catch that? 1600+ hot rods. Awesome show.

williamGT

10-02-2007, 07:07 PM

here yah go.
http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70858
Heres a pacesetter exhaust on a 3.4L v6 alero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreJzC5-5kc

dongalonga

10-02-2007, 07:29 PM

I know what it sounds like and dont really care for it. i prefer chambered mufflers over straight throughs/ turbos.

nickofcourse

01-18-2008, 10:46 PM

would this system be good if you scrapped the muffler and got a nice 80 series? after all the pace setter muffler makes it raspy right? thep iping is good for 2.5 correct? may rust through after a couple years?

hass

01-28-2008, 09:41 PM

I ordered one, should have it by the end of the sweet if all goes well.
Will have it on the same day :]

I needed an exhaust, stock was 229... Pacesetter was 249...
Yep =S

Rainbow1616

02-05-2008, 11:46 AM

I ordered one, should have it by the end of the sweet if all goes well.
Will have it on the same day :]

I needed an exhaust, stock was 229... Pacesetter was 249...
Yep =S

Where'd you get it for 249?

gaowners32

02-05-2008, 01:16 PM

Summit racing $280 shipped to my house. I will have it here friday and installed on sunday.

gaowners32

02-09-2008, 10:23 PM

Just installed mine tonight it sounds good a little too much drowwwn inside the cab. Nothing some good old dynomat won't fit tomorrow.

Video clip will be posted tomorrow after i ash the car and clean out the engine bay. Heavy de-greasing needed!

cardude007617

02-10-2008, 12:00 AM

i dont know, it doesnt sound half bad for the money, i might rock one some day

hass

02-11-2008, 02:10 AM

Where'd you get it for 249?

I guess it was 245 actually :|

Innerauto.com

their customer service are fricken morons.
I talked with a guy, and he said it's in stock and will ship out in 24 hours.
I ordered it on 1/28
It didn't ship until 2/7
I'm supposed to get it on 2/13 now.

Sub Total: $245.10
Shipping: $18.61
Handling: $4.47
Tax: $0.00
Core: $0.00
Total: $268.18

Anytime I called to check the status of my order, all they would tell me is that it's being "processed", then say that's all they can tell me at this time. I was like well what the **** does that mean? Does that mean it's shipped or not? Sorry sir, but I don't have that information available to me. Well who does? Ohh **** you.
I'm just cranky because I need it for the working order of my car.
lol :\
and they said it will ship in 24 hours. and it obviously didn't.
I guess we'll see what kind of shape it's in when it gets here.

*edit*
I'm honestly hoping that they mixed up the pacesetter exhaust, and mailed me a Borla instead.
Hey, I can hope.. right? ;D

cardude007617

02-11-2008, 11:53 PM

you better post up a good vid of this thing.... im yet to hear a clear video where we can actually get an idea of what it sounds like lol. you and gaowners32 lol

OT: i sent the guy that made this video an email on youtube, he's gonna make another clearer video of this for all of us.....

hass

02-13-2008, 02:42 PM

It's supposed to arrive today... but it's almost 4pm and it's still not here.
I'm really emo now.
lol.
I wanted to get it on and running today.

gaowners32

02-13-2008, 05:40 PM

I'm at work right now so can't post any video's onto my computer. It loud when you first start it, then once the engine gets warm it dies down. Has a good load GTO esk sound in mid gears. A little annoying in the interior of the car. Once its nicer out i'll dyno matt the trunk then ryno line it afterwards.

reason for ryno line is my trunk carpet is so ****ed up i'd rather just ryni line it instead of paying for the carpeting which is like $200..

Professional Ryno line $75

carpet $200

cardude007617

02-13-2008, 09:09 PM

so youlike it then? its not ricey sounding?

Banditlead

02-13-2008, 10:31 PM

The Yellow Strips are just tape right? For some reason, noone who owns this thing can figure out if they are....

DrFabulous

02-14-2008, 08:21 AM

Sounds like you get what you pay for.

gaowners32

02-14-2008, 09:42 AM

Not ricey at all. Yes it is tape. Yes you do get what you pay for but it is a hell of alot better then stock. (Your mazda(ford) is doing well right?!)

hass

02-14-2008, 09:46 AM

so youlike it then? its not ricey sounding?

It is amazing.
It's a really low rumble sound.
It's not very loud/overpowering either.

It's pretty consistent through the whole rpm band.

I was going to post a vid.
Howeverrrr.

On the way home from spending the night at the girlfriends house...

I was driving, then I saw my temp gauge hit 220.. then 230... then it just skyrocketed from there.
Then I hit my 4 ways and pull over, then I just hear all these bells and **** start going off.
I was like aww hell :[

So I get out, check crap out.. see if anyone is available...
Nobody.

So I turn my car to ON, then back off...
then do it again after 2 mins, then again, and again...
[the DHP PCM turns the fans on for 2 mins, to cool the engine]

clever thinking ftw?
Anyway, it got the temp below 200 in about 8 minutes or so. [from being pegged on the temp gauge totally]

So I turned the heat on 5 and limped it home. (45 minute ride)
=(

Sucks because I have to be to work in a little over an hour.
I was scared to death that I wouldn't make it.
But I'm not out of it yet.. /sigh

DHP Saved my job! Yay ;D

*edit* I'll take a vid tomorrow when I get home from school since I'm working until late tonight after I check out the car and make sure everything is okay.
then an oil change and crap... and maybe coolant too. [probably]
But I do agree, there is a droning inside the car. But isn't that to be expected with any exhaust?

DrFabulous

02-14-2008, 10:01 AM

(Your mazda(ford) is doing well right?!)

If you are trying to imply anything, I can assure you that my Mazda is MUCH better built than the Grand Am. lol

gaowners32

02-14-2008, 11:22 AM

If you are trying to imply anything, I can assure you that my Mazda is MUCH better built than the Grand Am. lol

I'll take a $600 LIM Gasket issue over a completely blown transmission any day of the week.

EDIT: This excludes the mazdaspeed 6

hass

02-14-2008, 08:34 PM

mazdaspeed 6 are the **** ;D

I was going to get one... but then I thought about it and figured I'll stick with the GA until it goes under, then look into something else ;D

hass

02-19-2008, 06:44 PM

I jacked up my car today to put on new brakes.

and uhm.
Monroe Muffler used old ass rusted parts to hold the catback system together.
The kit came with brand new Clamps.
It came with brand new everything.
The only thing Monroe used from the kit were the tips, muffler, and that pipe that runs down the body.
Everything else is all old and rusted to ****.

/pissed.

I know there were clamps in there, because I looked before I took it.
and I even told them on the phone I have everything needed, even the clamps and bolts.

DrFabulous

02-19-2008, 07:28 PM

I'll take a $600 LIM Gasket issue over a completely blown transmission any day of the week.

EDIT: This excludes the mazdaspeed 6

:amraam:

My transmission isn't completely blown. A $18 part and a tune has made the problem go away. Trust me, the amount of noise, rattles, and small broken parts on the GA is pretty high @ 50k miles, especially next to my 6.

Its funny that the people that think the GA is a great car currently drive one.... all the people that have moved on for one reason or another realize that the car was decent for the money, and thats about it.

Edit: My point is that the exhaust is cheap, and the quality reflects it.

cardude007617

02-27-2008, 04:50 PM

here's the video that guy with the alero made for us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET4GhRtVh4w

gtdreams

02-27-2008, 06:31 PM

:amraam:

My transmission isn't completely blown. A $18 part and a tune has made the problem go away. Trust me, the amount of noise, rattles, and small broken parts on the GA is pretty high @ 50k miles, especially next to my 6.

Its funny that the people that think the GA is a great car currently drive one.... all the people that have moved on for one reason or another realize that the car was decent for the money, and thats about it.

Edit: My point is that the exhaust is cheap, and the quality reflects it.

i will take a GAGT any day,not the greatest quality car around but stylewise...beats alot of the cars out there.fords included.haha,just kidding.i love pretty much all cars trucks etc.etc.if it has a motor,i like it.

gtdreams

02-27-2008, 06:41 PM

:heh: Not ricey at all. Yes it is tape. Yes you do get what you pay for but it is a hell of alot better then stock. (Your mazda(ford) is doing well right?!)

nickofcourse

03-01-2008, 04:50 PM

did you lose some low end torque, also can you put a flowmaster 80 on it without much modifcation?

YALEROYNOT

03-01-2008, 05:04 PM

I just put the pacesetter on my alero (3.4) I also put a mangaflow high flow cat and a 2.5" down pipe. It feels like i lost a little bottom end up to about 2000 rpm but going down the highway it pulls when you step on. :applause:

Install was really easy I think but I do all my own work.

boost21

03-01-2008, 10:53 PM

I got mine sitting in the living room as we speak. It will be going on tomorow. Looks better then i expected.

cardude007617

03-01-2008, 10:56 PM

lol jeez, people use to rib the crap outta this system....not it seems like everyones getting it and putting it on and actually liking it...

boost21

03-01-2008, 11:30 PM

heres some detailed pictures for you guys
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/boostgt/CIMG1236.jpg?t=1204435759
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/boostgt/CIMG1237.jpg?t=1204435778
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/boostgt/CIMG1238.jpg?t=1204435800
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/boostgt/CIMG1240.jpg?t=1204435823
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/boostgt/?action=view&current=CIMG1241.jpg

cardude007617

03-01-2008, 11:41 PM

wow.............

boost21

03-01-2008, 11:47 PM

wow.............

whats that supposed to meen?

cardude007617

03-01-2008, 11:50 PM

not really sure lol, like i guess i had something else in mind by that exhaust. it'll be interesting to see how that holds up in our climate here; and how milwaukee likes to dump excessive amounts of salt on our streets

boost21

03-01-2008, 11:57 PM

Idk i just wanted the piping from it so well c.

cardude007617

03-01-2008, 11:58 PM

ahhh, so are you even using their muffler with it?

boost21

03-02-2008, 12:02 AM

for now. I need an exhaust on to get back to school, but i will probibly swap my flowmaster and tips onto the 2.5" piping. It was cheaper then having a shop bend it and mandrel bends ftw

cardude007617

03-02-2008, 12:04 AM

i see your point, this thing should last a good 4 or 5 years though i bet..... right? i mean it cant be that crappy. does the piping feel like good quality?

boost21

03-02-2008, 12:09 AM

Yeah its better quality then I expected. I got it for under $300 shipped. The piping seems solid and thick like stock. The muffler is smaller then my flow master in width, but I've never herd it so I'm in for a surprise tomorrow. Overall so far i am pleased. the system also comes with a 5 year warranty iirc

EDIT: The picture of the tape was to show that the yellow is in fact tape and removeable.

cardude007617

03-02-2008, 12:11 AM

ohhhhh, maybe it was the lighting in your pictures or something, thats why i said "wow....." before, i thought it looked kinda cheap. but i guess its not. maybe theyre actually a good buy for the money....

YALEROYNOT

03-02-2008, 03:54 AM

I got the pace setter kit and a high flow magnaflow cat. my exhaust is 2.5 from motor to tail pipes. when in stalling I tucked it as far as I could tight the body. this was the stock exhaust when I pulled out of my drive.I have malibu dropzone springs (2") drop. I got the whole thing to my door for $380 thats the whole exhaust and cat and down pipe

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/YALEROYNOT/carrear.jpghttp://i200.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/YALEROYNOT/02250816481.jpg

cardude007617

03-02-2008, 12:25 PM

do those magnaflow cats do anything? like sound/performance wise

YALEROYNOT

03-02-2008, 12:49 PM

I like the cat only had it on for a few days. lost a little in the lower end but gain more pull over 2000 rpm. I needed a new cat so I upgraded to SS high flow

http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/images/88-14741.jpg
Pontiac Grand Am 88-1474
this is the kit I ordered

cardude007617

03-02-2008, 01:19 PM

i take it you have about 100k on your car right? (hense the meaning for you need a new cat right?)

YALEROYNOT

03-02-2008, 03:30 PM

i take it you have about 100k on your car right? (hense the meaning for you need a new cat right?)

I have 135,000 on the car. I kept throwing code 420 witch is the cat or o2 sensor I replaced both.

I got a new cat 2 years ago (around 100,000.) the guy who did it put a cheap crappy cat on he also welded it so close to the bend in the down pipe I wouldn't have strat pipe to weld another one on. thats wht i got the whole thing.

cardude007617

03-04-2008, 10:00 PM

so howd your install go mike?

gaowners32

03-04-2008, 10:06 PM

Update: I got a little rattle in the rear next to the Axel. Going to have to bend back the heat plate a little i guess.

hass

03-04-2008, 10:07 PM

I asked them a question reguarding the clamps a few days back.
Well, a few weeks back.
here's the email I got in response

"hello , the u-clamps are made from mild steel , being that you are in NY you might want to go to a auto parts store and buy some stainless 1's , also you will want to wash the road salt off the exhaust atleast every few days during the winter .

Eric Remboldt
Customer Service
602-266-1964
eremboldt@pacesetterexhaust.com"

Overall, I think the exhaust is totally worth it.
Considering I got it for 245+30 bucks shipping, you can't go wrong.
Especially considering the stock muffler costs more money :>

hass

03-04-2008, 10:08 PM

Update: I got a little rattle in the rear next to the Axel. Going to have to bend back the heat plate a little i guess.

HEY! ;D
I have this too.
I have lots of rattle when at idle.
But I can't hear any when the car is moving.
Heat plate.. hmm?

cardude007617

03-04-2008, 10:09 PM

also you will want to wash the road salt off the exhaust atleast every few days during the winter .

oh jeez.....

gaowners32

03-04-2008, 10:12 PM

I didn't use the clamps they gave me. The shop that installed mine used theirs that are weather treated what ever the hell that means.

boost21

03-04-2008, 10:15 PM

Install went great. Only took a couple hours (about an hour was spent getting a stuck bolt out) Sound wise its quite. I'm guessing it needs to break in, but I might end up putting my flow master on when I am home next. Clamps are working right now but I will probibly get it welded when i figure out what I want to do. The stock overaxle piece was worse then I ever imagined.

hass

03-04-2008, 10:31 PM

I didn't use the clamps they gave me. The shop that installed mine used theirs that are weather treated what ever the hell that means.

What did the ones you have look like?
I really doubt the ones that the kit came with would turn to rust within a week.

gaowners32

03-04-2008, 10:43 PM

He said they are marine clamps off some type of boat. What ever I got them for free. different type of coating I guess.

cardude007617

03-07-2008, 01:46 PM

so what is the general consensus for this exhaust? like decent quality? ok sound? what?

gaowners32

03-07-2008, 01:49 PM

boost21

03-07-2008, 02:01 PM

Its a good exhaust for the money. it sounds good but i'd get rid of the muffler and get a magnaflow or 80 series flow master. Tips are ok.

So for $280 your basically getting the piping .

Im getting a new muffler soon.

Pretty much the same from me, but i only drove the car for about an hour after installing it and its been in the garage since then. Seems quiet, but i still have my flowmaster and tips from it i can swap

03SC/T

03-07-2008, 02:24 PM

Can one of you post a vid of the way it sounds before you swap out the muffler? I'm really interested in this exhaust because of the price and the only clips I can find have really poor sound quality or are 4cyl cars. Thanks.

gaowners32

03-07-2008, 02:56 PM

Sure I'll do that tonight when I get outta work.

hass

03-07-2008, 03:53 PM

yeah, I like the way it sounds.
it's good for a DD because it's not roaring.
Improved air flow a bit, so...
Eh.
I have no complaints.

But yep yep, it is quiet.
Louder than stock.
But still pretty quiet as far as aftermarket exhausts go.

03SC/T

03-20-2008, 01:58 PM

Sure I'll do that tonight when I get outta work.

Any video yet?

gaowners32

03-20-2008, 02:28 PM

Sorry I never posted it I totally forgot about this thread. When I get home tonight I will post it up.

cardude007617

03-23-2008, 08:32 PM

heh did you ever get home dude? lol

hass

03-23-2008, 10:32 PM

Oh, just a FYI.
I've had this on my car since... well, the date I posted it on.
I forgot when.
But the underneath [the black piping] is already starting to show signs of rust.

I guess it doesn't like Buffalo winters very much.
and when he says to spray off the underside of your car, he damn well means it :p
tips look perfect however as they're stainless.

cardude007617

03-23-2008, 10:38 PM

isnt rust pretty normal though for any exhaust system?
i mean my parents new car had exhaust the day we brought it home with 200some miles on it...and thats OEM

nickofcourse

04-03-2008, 10:37 AM

could you spray the pipe with a rust inhibiator spray paint in black?

gaowners32

04-08-2008, 10:59 AM

could you spray the pipe with a rust inhibiator spray paint in black?

Yeah it rusts like a mother ****er. Yes Yes is did just get home but i'm one lazy **** and spend way to much time in the PW threads to even look at this section lol. So my total opinion on this exhaust is that it sucks.;crap

boost21

04-08-2008, 11:12 AM

mines still looking pretty good. sounds getting slightly better, but still might end up swapping mufflers when i have time.

cardude007617

04-08-2008, 11:37 PM

hmmm the more i read, the less i think buying this for the piping alone is worth it

boost21

04-09-2008, 12:03 AM

next time i go to my car(probibly the weekend) ill snap some pix

hass

04-13-2008, 10:49 PM

I still think it sounds and looks fantastic.
But yeah, the rust is normal.
Not like the stainless you get on Borla or whatever they have, but meh.
I like it for the price.
Especially since i NEEDED a new cat back system, and OEM was 249... this was 245...
No brainer ;)

I put new rotors on my car, after three days driving and a heavy rain storm, they're rusted pretty good already.
So yeah, I guess that's normal.

FireRedGT

04-17-2008, 01:44 AM

im sorry just still a little confused,i went to innerauto.com and as mentioned earlier it only shows the 4 cyl. exhaust. when you order the pacesetter exhaust from the site you hit "add to cart" but how do you know your getting the quad tip exhaust for the GT and not the one shown??

gaowners32

04-17-2008, 07:37 AM

cardude007617

05-08-2008, 05:30 PM

so how hard would it be to put a hi flow magnaflow cat before this? would it bolt up or would there be problems somehwere

rickhigginshtbr

05-09-2008, 12:11 AM

the $50 ones on ebay need to be welded up, don't know if they make a bolt on one for our cars or not.

cardude007617

06-09-2008, 12:05 PM

ok so final thoughts before i go and buy this thing tonight...... get it or hell no. im not looking for something that'll drive me nuts with drone (i drive 10 miles to work each way, 3 to school, and soon ~115 miles back and forth to college).
any last thoughts? thanks

pgagt2002

06-09-2008, 12:37 PM

definately get it. It will be way quieter than you think and will still give you a roar when the pedal hits the floor.

cardude007617

06-09-2008, 04:38 PM

aight well i ordered one with the help of boost21's -$25 code. we shall see.

any ideas how long it takes to install this thing?

rickhigginshtbr

06-09-2008, 05:25 PM

an hour or two if you've done it before and don't have to weld anything.

boost21

06-09-2008, 06:02 PM

hardest part for me was getting a stuck bolt out of the cat flange, get a sawsall and you'll be good

gaowners32

06-09-2008, 07:01 PM

hardest part for me was getting a stuck bolt out of the cat flange, get a sawsall and you'll be good

x2

cardude007617

06-09-2008, 07:48 PM

so would it be easier to put on a new cat at the same time?

YALEROYNOT

06-10-2008, 12:49 AM

cardude007617 so would it be easier to put on a new cat at the same time?

yes it will make it a lot easier.

here is where I got my magnaflow cat and down pipe.

www.rsautoparts.com (http://www.rsautoparts.com/Items/mag23435?sck=68308578&caSKU=mag23435&caTitle=MAGNAFLOW%20CATALYTIC%20CONVERTER-DIRECT%20FIT%2023435)

cardude007617

06-10-2008, 10:46 AM

i dont want to go thru the trouble (from what iv heard) to change the down pipe, whats a good part number to use for a hi flo cat, there are a couple people seem to use and from what iv gathered it's these two:
1. 94106
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Carsound-MagnaFlow-Catalytic-Converter-2-5-HF-FS_W0QQitemZ380031569434QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20Access oriesQQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20Acces soriesQQddiZ2811QQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 380031569434&
2. 53006
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__MAGNAFLOW-Catalytic-Converter-Part-53006_W0QQitemZ170194623541QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20Truck Q20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewIt em?_trksid=p3756.m20.l1116

so which is better for this application? price is basically the same...

Jake

06-10-2008, 11:05 AM

i dont want to go thru the trouble (from what iv heard) to change the down pipe...

Thats why you let a shop do it, thats what they are there for/get paid, to do ;)

cardude007617

06-10-2008, 12:58 PM

lol i know jake... what i MEANT was i dont want to be paying them for something that they will have to **** around with for too long.

question though- are zzp's downpipes, or anybody else's for that matter 2.5in all the way up to the headers? or will some form of adapter have to be made or etc... and should i get some gaskets (going from zzp it sounds like u need em) ??

YALEROYNOT

06-10-2008, 09:48 PM

those two are just the cat if you go with this cat from www.rsautoparts.com (http://www.rsautoparts.com/Items/mag23435?sck=68308578&caSKU=mag23435&caTitle=MAGNAFLOW%20CATALYTIC%20CONVERTER-DIRECT%20FIT%2023435) (<click on link ) thats where I got mine and it is the cat and the down pipe all welded up ready to bolt in. and has a 2.5" down pipe all the way to the exhaust manifold. this together with the pacesetter exhaust system will give you 2.5 from the motor thru the mufflers. all bolt in no welding required do it your self and save some cash.

cardude007617

06-10-2008, 09:54 PM

YALEROYNOT

06-10-2008, 09:59 PM

what size is the pipe coming off the headers? theres no need for an adapter of some sorts is there to go from my stock headers to the aftermarket 2.5in down pipe is there? and do i need any new gaskets?

no the stock is 2.5" flange just need to get a gasket from an auto parts store ( $6 ) call the guys at rolling start and they will help you out with what you need. they also sell the borla exhaust system. If you are looking to spend $800 + on you exhaust :D

cardude007617

06-10-2008, 10:03 PM

whatever, i ordered it so we'll see. can u maybe get me a link to that gasket i need? i went on autozone.com and i think i found it but still:
http://www.autozone.com/R,APP693073/vehicleId,2640202/initialAction,partProductDetail/store,1789/partType,00530/shopping/partProductDetail.htm

cardude007617

06-22-2008, 01:30 AM

well all my stuff came in (that down pipe and pacesetter exhaust) and as far as i can see, i dont see any gaskets included. so which ones do i need?

Elderas

06-22-2008, 03:36 PM

I have one installed on my car. had a shop do it for 150 dollars with all the gaskets and welding in a new cat.

they also put in a fatter downpipe

Id sudgest going that route.

i can only assume you'll have nothing but problems otherwise

cardude007617

06-23-2008, 01:15 AM

so the pacesetter cat back comes with the gasket to attach to the cat, now all i need is the gasket that attaches the top of the downpipe to the headers. any part numbers or such i can go after? please?

cardude007617

06-25-2008, 10:32 PM

anybody??

boost21

06-25-2008, 11:08 PM

yes i got a new gasket for the cat/downpipe as well as new hardware for it

cardude007617

06-25-2008, 11:15 PM

any part numbers?

boost21

06-25-2008, 11:28 PM

i might be misunderstand your Q, my car back came with the gasket and bolts for the flange, are you looking for the gasket for the manifold to dp?

cardude007617

06-25-2008, 11:31 PM

yeah thats the gasket i need. im 99% sure i didnt get on in the box for my downpipe.

boost21

06-25-2008, 11:44 PM

I might be wrong but I think you can get like a 6"x6" sheet of the casket mateterial and cut your own, dont quote me on it, ill try to look into it

cardude007617

06-25-2008, 11:56 PM

well im going to be taking it to an exhaust shop and i want to have all the stuff i need

cardude007617

06-25-2008, 11:57 PM

well im going to be taking it to an exhaust shop and i want to have all the stuff i need

cardude007617

07-06-2008, 11:05 AM

well i got it all put on last week, the magnaflow downpipe + hi flow cat and the pacesetter cat back system. i like it pretty well. my mileage has definetly gone up prbly due to a worn out or clogged stock cat (car has 94k on it). i realyl do reccomend this system for people, the guy said its very simple to put together and of reasonably good quality. and of course, most of all i really like how it sounds too