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TFA
11-11-2006, 10:34 AM
I found a set of front and rear braces, but it says that it is only tested on GA's from 99-'02 , does anyone know if they will still fit an '03?

Rich
11-11-2006, 10:37 AM
they will fit.

TFA
11-11-2006, 10:38 AM
cool, thanks alot.

Rich
11-11-2006, 10:40 AM
:thumbs:

stanjk3
11-11-2006, 10:40 AM
Maybe, they changed the alternator position mid year.

On my '00, there was 2" betwen the edge of the weatherstripping and futhest edge of the alternator.
I can send you some pics I took for reference.

AaronGTR
11-11-2006, 11:02 AM
Maybe, they changed the alternator position mid year.

On my '00, there was 2" betwen the edge of the weatherstripping and futhest edge of the alternator.
I can send you some pics I took for reference.


No, the alternator is in the same place. The engine is the same. They just didn't test the brace on an '03 so they won't say that it fits an '03 just to cover themselves. It will fit fine.

stanjk3
11-11-2006, 05:53 PM
No, the alternator is in the same place. The engine is the same. They just didn't test the brace on an '03 so they won't say that it fits an '03 just to cover themselves. It will fit fine.

At PFYC it says '99-'03 (mid year)
http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GA4003/GASUSP/Speedbuilt+Strut+Tower+Braces.html

I thought it used to say something about clearance issues with the alternator in '03.5 and newer.

AaronGTR
11-12-2006, 10:58 AM
If so, I've never heard of it before. Like I said, the engine and all the attachment brackets are the same, so I don't see how the alternator position could change unless they started using a different alternator, which again I've never heard of if they did.

timberwoof
11-12-2006, 11:11 AM
Yeah they say it won't fit the '04 either, and that is why I haven't got one either. It sucks

pyro
11-12-2006, 11:55 AM
they will fit.
indeed

Sprucegagt
11-12-2006, 02:52 PM
I'm gonna side with the other vets here and say it will fit. I have not heard of any change to the alternator or bracket from the 99 model.

ganut
11-12-2006, 03:37 PM
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61004&perpage=20&pagenumber=12

it may not fit compare this (SEMPERFI8387's car)
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/GAGTPANTHERGIRL/STB%20INSTALLATION/102_0875.jpg

to this (coupe's car) borrowing pics for illustration
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/426000-426999/426149_82_full.jpg

the rubber insulator for the positive wire was moved mid 2003 I believe

the person in the first pic had to bend the bar and wrap some shielding around it to keep it from rubbing.

pyro
11-12-2006, 04:04 PM
ouch, didnt know that...who doesnt want a h/o alternator anyways?

Rich
11-12-2006, 05:00 PM
thanks for posting that mike. well maybe TFA will catch this before he orders or has the 3400 before the alternator change. after looking at some pictures though, i think its safe to say that STB's will fit any year with the 2.4 or 2.2.

ganut
11-12-2006, 06:00 PM
yet again 2.4>3400 lol


hopefully he does catch this though.

Sprucegagt
11-12-2006, 07:05 PM
So there was a change. Learn something new.

iceman
11-12-2006, 08:09 PM
Interesting..

Most of the time it's just people putting it on backwards :)

timberwoof
11-12-2006, 08:17 PM
Interesting..

Most of the time it's just people putting it on backwards :)

I don't know if you're serious about this, but Will this work for a 2004 with the same results. Cause I want to get one but with the problem with the alternator, I don't want to mess with the integrity of the bar, and damage it to where it doesn't work.

Pitter98
11-12-2006, 08:30 PM
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61004&perpage=20&pagenumber=12

it may not fit compare this (SEMPERFI8387's car)

to this (coupe's car) borrowing pics for illustration


the rubber insulator for the positive wire was moved mid 2003 I believe

the person in the first pic had to bend the bar and wrap some shielding around it to keep it from rubbing.

This has been discussed before in the past and like ganut said, the 03.5, 04, and 05's all have the output of the alternator on top, which makes a problem for most strut tower bars. The STB's need to be curved or bent for them to fit properly over the alternator, so you have to be careful which ones to get.

stanjk3
11-12-2006, 11:22 PM
Just a thought, couldn't you put some washers under the STB brackets to raise it up a little bit? Or wouldn't it be enough?

Rich
11-12-2006, 11:48 PM
that doesnt sound like a horrible idea. though i dont know if it would affect you closing your hood and then you might have to get bigger bolts for the struts. i guess the only way to find out would be to try it.

iceman
11-13-2006, 12:57 AM
Well, IIRC the two inside bolts are studs tacked to the strut mount, so no, you can't do that. There is barely enough to bite on with the strut tower brace added in to the mix. I haven't looked at the affected 03.5+ in person, I'd go for trying to reroute the charge wire.

pyro
11-13-2006, 06:36 AM
Well, IIRC the two inside bolts are studs tacked to the strut mount, so no, you can't do that. There is barely enough to bite on with the strut tower brace added in to the mix. I haven't looked at the affected 03.5+ in person, I'd go for trying to reroute the charge wire.
thats what i was thinking...anyone with an 03.5 that can chime in or post some pics of the wire?

Pitter98
11-13-2006, 09:02 AM
thats what i was thinking...anyone with an 03.5 that can chime in or post some pics of the wire?

I've got an 03.5 and it looks exactly like the first picture ganut posted of Semperfi's car. The positive wire comes out of the alternator on the top and has a 90 degree bend in it to head towards the battery. I haven't tried to put any STB's on my car yet because of this very reason, so I can't post any pictures of how they would hit. The problem is when the motor rocks back under heavy acceleration, the wire hits the STB and over time can break the wire or ground out on the STB and kill your alternator. Check it out here. (http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17540) It's not just a make sure you've got it on the right way - you have to make sure you get a bent or curved bar to go over the wire so it doesn't hit.

AaronGTR
11-13-2006, 03:57 PM
Just a thought, couldn't you put some washers under the STB brackets to raise it up a little bit? Or wouldn't it be enough?

Better yet, why not see if you can change the positive wire hookup on the alternator? If that's all they changed which is what it looks like, if you could change it back to the old connector then clearance wouldn't be a problem. Even with the motor rocking. And if the motor rocking is a problem you can always do the front tranny mount mod with some liquid urethane for about $30. ;)

timberwoof
11-13-2006, 04:12 PM
Better yet, why not see if you can change the positive wire hookup on the alternator? If that's all they changed which is what it looks like, if you could change it back to the old connector then clearance wouldn't be a problem. Even with the motor rocking. And if the motor rocking is a problem you can always do the front tranny mount mod with some liquid urethane for about $30. ;)

I was actually gonna ask if this has been done, and what kind of connection was used. You would think, they didn't change all that much to the connection that you couldn't pull an older model connector off and use it on there. But I'm not sure.

TFA
11-14-2006, 08:04 AM
Ok, well, since it hasent been done, I guess Ill be a test dummy. Ill take a look around in the engine and order the braces and ill see what happens...worst thing? Ill return them..big deal

AaronGTR
11-14-2006, 08:54 AM
Cool, be sure to let us know how it turns out. :)

timberwoof
11-14-2006, 09:56 PM
Take pictures and instructions of what you're doing. For us dumbaffes that don't know much about anything.

TFA
11-16-2006, 05:18 PM
I am ordering a set of STBs from PFYC (speedbuilt front/rear) so I will let everyone know how they turn out, and if it is a good result, ill sticky instructions on how to get it done

preed4962
11-22-2006, 12:39 PM
Alternator switched from Delphi to Bosch in mid 2003, as Delphi was getting out of the generator business, so this issue is conceivable.

-Paul

timberwoof
11-22-2006, 03:20 PM
Is the setup on the two different alternators that much different, that you couldn't get an alternator for an '03 and put it on an '03.5???

AaronGTR
11-22-2006, 03:35 PM
Probably not. As I recall there is one other plug on the wire harness that plugs in the alternator. At most you'd possibly have to change that plug on the harness if the two alternators used different connectors. Not hard at all. I'd still see if I could just change the power wire hookup first though if thats the only thing that hits. Cheaper and easier than switching an entire alternator if you can help it.

timberwoof
11-23-2006, 12:37 AM
Yeah true that, Just thinking in case the Alt goes out, then there are other options.

canadian_racer
11-23-2006, 04:39 AM
What would you classify as an 03.5? What month did they start in?

TFA
11-27-2006, 10:31 PM
yeah, the PFYC STBs fit my GA. Did the front install at 1100 this evening, gonna do the rear tomorrow at work. just the front alone drasticly effects handling, i was very suprised, impresed and pleased :applause:

pyro
11-27-2006, 11:22 PM
What would you classify as an 03.5? What month did they start in?
IIRC they start in april/may...the way to tell is wether or not is to look at your alternator if you are unsure.