Infinity VS. Alpine

[hepy117]

Ok so I want to get some new speakers for my GAGT for christmas. So before telling my mom what to get. I wanted to come here and ask you guys what you think because obviously you all know what your talking about. So my question to you guys....should i get alpine type r's/s's or should i get infinity reference's. Also should i go with the same speaker front and back (different sizes i know). Also, what should i do abou tthe tweeter being in the front door thingy near the dashboard? leave it in there and wire it up or take it out and put a new one in?

Forgot to add: 2 way or 3 way speakers? i might end up hooking an amp up to them later on. I am also looking to get the Alpine CDE-9852 or CDA-9856 unless you guys have another pick for around that price range (<$200)

[ganut]

I have infinity references and they are pretty good. Are you amping the new speakers? between the infinity reference and the alpine type r's, I'd prolly go with the alpine. OR do what I'm doing, and put some infinity PERFECT 5.25s in the door, and get some q logic kick panels and put some infinity perfect 6.5s in those.

[hepy117]

i don't want to get the kick panels. I'm just looking for speakers to go into the existing places. I was at best buy tonight and the guy said you can put in 6.5" in the front. Just put in the speakers and redrill holes? This correct?

[AeR0]

he is corrrect or you could just buy the kit from metra.

[pyro]

PB vs. J?

[hepy117]

huh?

[pyro]

infinity>alpine x*

[hepy117]

wow srry i was havin a blonde moment peanut butter versus jelly :-P. my bad on that one.

[Metallman56]

alpine lacks bass. i like to call them the Bose of car audio. infinity is going to be what you want. and if you can get Kappa, then get it.

[kse73]

I put Infinity Kappa 3ways 6x9s in way back when... (maybe 3 1/2 years ago) They still sound great.

[Hodge]

been satisfied as **** with my alpines.

[hallows-eve]

Infinity Reference > Alpine Type S
Alpine Type R > Infinity Reference

However,

Infinity Kappa > Alpine Type R's,
and
Infinity PERFECT > 'em all! lmao.

You should definitely try and get out to hear the differences between these speakers. I just played a set of Alpine Type R 5.25 comp's and a Type R 6x9's, and they didn't lack bass in my opinion, but who cares if they did? I've got two Type R 10"s!!! MWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

=|

lmao.

[killians31]

personally between refrence and type r's, i would go with the type r's. i have heard both of them in cars, and in my opinion the type r's sound cleaner.

[hepy117]

when i was at best buy i listened to both the references and the Type S's and it seemed to me like the type s's had more base to them. I might end up hooking an amp up to my speakers so that may hepl a lil. the only reason i'm gettin the type s's is because my pars don't want to spend alot on speakers for my car. they are already mad at me because all of the christmas pres's i want are over $100 and most of the are for my car. :-P. they tell me i should keep it stock :-P NO WAY!

[hallows-eve]

Stock? lmao... I think, I THINK Alpine offers a really cool full system deal with Type S speakers/subs and an amp (maybe a head too?) For right around $6/700.

-Ryan.

[rocketfast123]

Hit up ebay for speakers to save money. 9612i
119.99 Crutchfield
70 Ebay

In my car, I got Infinity Reference 9612i 2ways. They have about twice as much bass as stock to me. I got Alpine SPS-46C2 up front. I should have kelp my stockers or just saved up and got 6". But they can handle 18RMS.

plus the 2 10" Type E out back that makes the system perfect.

also i like the CDA-9856, more power.

[Metallman56]

are you looking for fronts rears or both?

[Metallman56]

great fronts and rears i found on ebay that are better then both alpine and infinity, IMO.

FRONTS:

http://cgi.ebay.com/KENWOOD-KFC-X460-4X6-2-WAY-COAXIAL-CAR-SPEAKERS-NEW-05_W0QQitemZ250055046206QQihZ015QQcategoryZ14939QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-S75-4X6-COAXIAL-2-WAY-SPEAKERS-NEW_W0QQitemZ280052058234QQihZ018QQcategoryZ14939Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Rears:

http://cgi.ebay.com/KENWOOD-EXCELON-KFC-X6900-6-x9-350W-3-WAY-SPEAKERS-NEW_W0QQitemZ140057311565QQihZ004QQcategoryZ58030Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Pioneer-TS-D691R-REV-6-x9-2-Way-350-Watts-Low_W0QQitemZ330053295907QQihZ014QQcategoryZ58031Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/MB-QUART-DTC169-6X9-3-way-SPEAKER-BRAND-NEW-1-PAIR-NR_W0QQitemZ230057843675QQihZ013QQcategoryZ14942QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/PAIR-BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-SX95-400w-6x9-CAR-STEREO-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ270060134558QQihZ017QQcategoryZ1 4942QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


as far as the fronts go, both will sound great, the Kenwoods will go lower, but the bostons will be louder.

and as far as the rears go the kenwoods will be your best value, the pioneers will give you the most bass by far, and the MB quarts and Bostons will both sound great. do yourself a favor and go to a private shop and hear something better then Circut City and Best Buy have to offer. you can get great deals on ebay. but dude follow your ears when buying speakers. also with every thing i found, with shipping nothing is more then $150. you can get a great set up for your car for a total of under $200. and it will sound better then anything from CC and BB. something to think about. hope this helps.

[hepy117]

I am lookin for both rears and fronts for my car. I decided to get the Alpine CDE 9852 because my bro is gunna get the 9856 and i don't want the same thing. I was lookin at boston's. But the only place i can seem to find them around here are on the internet and my pars don't like shopping on the internet...idk why but w/e. so you think bostons will be btter than the type S's. I'm thinkin of gettin 6.5"s in the front and 6x9"s in the rear.

[hallows-eve]

Depends on what line of Boston's we're talking. PRO's yes, but I'm positive you're not referring to those, lmoa.

Kenwood, man I cannot believe I didn't mention how great of speakers Kenwood puts out. Just was in a car audio store recently, and I've got to say the Kenny's I listened to sounded great, and closely rivaled my choice in Alpine Type R speakers.

You've got to keep trying to get out and listen to speakers, anywhere you can, ask around about car audio places, GO TO CC and BB, even though they might not have what some people here like, they may have something that sparks your interest!

Keep doing research, browse web forums if you have to. Kenwood, Infinity, Alpine, and Boston are winners!

for cheap online pricing, check out woofersetc.com and techronics.com.

-Ryan

[Metallman56]

I am lookin for both rears and fronts for my car. I decided to get the Alpine CDE 9852 because my bro is gunna get the 9856 and i don't want the same thing. I was lookin at boston's. But the only place i can seem to find them around here are on the internet and my pars don't like shopping on the internet...idk why but w/e. so you think bostons will be btter than the type S's. I'm thinkin of gettin 6.5"s in the front and 6x9"s in the rear.

i can understand not wanting to get stuff off the internet. so here is a link for you.

http://bostonacoustics.com/car/dealer_locator.asp

just type in your zip code and press search. well tell ya what i saved you some time, closest dealer is about 75 miles away from you. dont worry the one closest to me is about 95 miles away, and there shutting down there car audio department. call the stores up before you go, and see what else they sell. you know what other brands. maybe you can kill 2 birds with one stone.

do i think the bostons sound better then the alpines? yes. being new to car audio i really wanted a pair of alpine 6x9s, just cause they were alpines. so i spent the extra money and got a pair from CC for iirc $140. i went home, hooked em up, and was like wtf? where is the bass? so maybe it was the song. nope, wasnt the song. the damn speakers just would not hit very hard. didnt matter what i played. so the next day i took them out of my car, took them back to CC, got my money back, and went to a local audio store that sells Kenwood Excelon, and Pioneer Premier. i walked away with a $110 set of 3-way Premier 6x9s. the differnce was night and day. and sinse that day, i test things by the way they sound, NOT by the brand, and NOT what other people tell me is "the best". screw that. and just cause a speaker is more $$$ then anther doesnt mean it sounds better. learned that too.

so here is my advice to you, and this is the same advice i gave Hallow-eyes. listen to everything you can. at every shop you can. cheap stuff, expensive stuff, anything and everything. if i were you, i wouldnt ask for speakers for x-mas. just cause parents dont understand these things. save your money, take your time, and save your money up. learn everything you can, and when you think you have found the one you want, bring in your own cd and listen to it. and if your still happy with them, then buy em. but if there is a doubt in your mind, or anything you dont like, then walk away. you can always come back to it, if you dont find anything better.

the reason i am telling you all this is cause a lot of people start out buying crap from BB and CC, and think its really great stuff, and the best and blah blah blah. then they sit in someones car who has a great system, and they think there system from BB and CC sucks. so then they go out and spend more money, and maybe this time they spend it on Audiobahn, cause there pretty main streem. then they get to hear a car with Eclipse, and they think, wow my Audiobahns suck. so then they go buy Eclipse. well over time, that person waisted hundreds if not thousands of $$$, and god only knows how much time uninstalling and reinstalling stuff.

there's my .2 cents, take it or leave it, just trying to help you out. good hunting :cheers:

[hallows-eve]

This man knows his stuff, trust me!

[hepy117]

yes it seems that way. thanks a lot for your two cents!!! and thanks for the link. can I ask you what you think of the Alpine CDE 9852 and 9856? do you have a better idea with the same price range? like within like $50? what model premier's did you buy and what model kenwoods did you look at? i figured i should add i am not hookin up a sub in my car. i need the trunk space for hauling stuff to college.

[Metallman56]

i'd like to help you with your Alpine delema, but i have no idea. ever sinse those 6x9s i bought turned out of be junk, i havent listened to anything "alpine" at circit city. also i forgot to tell you that this all happend about 3 years ago, so some products that i bought might not be the same as what they have out now. oh wait, these are head units huh? i hate Alpine head units, i know your shocked. personally i like Kenwood and Pioneer, but thats just me. there a lot more user friendly to me. thats probably cause those are the 2 head units i started out with.

SAME PRICE RANGE:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3932

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3931

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3933

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3499

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3498

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3497

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4951

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4950

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4949

Eclipse makes great head units. but head units are something you gotta play around with and see what you like best. features are about the same for all of them.

these are the the exact same premiers i got, but there the "new" modle.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1025

i eventually upgraded to those Rev seriers pioneers, and with a 200 watt kicker amp i could dim the lights just a tiny bit with the song Cowboy by Kid Rock. if your not getting a sub, not even a shallow mount, then i highly recomend those 6x9s.

if there is anything else i can help you with, let me know.

[hallows-eve]

Okay... Today, we put an end to the Alpine 6x9 conundrum... I have, in my posession... A set of Alpine, Type R 6x9's, and they are the older model. When I'm good'n'ready, I'm going to hookemup, ampless, and see the diff. between those, stockers, and what I have in my mind, what a 6x9 SHOULD sound like.

Fo' Sho'!

Also, just to add... I like Alpy's head units... But then again when it comes those, I'm all for form over function... To a certain extant. I think any head unit is easy to operate, they're like girls, you just need to play around with it to see what buttons give you what reactions... ;)

-Ryan.

[Metallman56]

Ryan i should send you my Rev seriers that havent made it into my g/f's car. you'll sh*t after hearing them.

[hallows-eve]

lmao... You pay shipping, and for free? I'm down... lmao =P.

I'd love to try 'em out, but I've got subs to fill any void in bass, thanks for the offer. ****, maybe Hepy117 could take 'em off your hands?!

-Ryan.

[Metallman56]

oh i have a plan for them, there going in the g/f's car. my premier speakers, yes the ones i bought instead of the alpines, are coming out of her car and going into a buddys stratus. if i pay the shipping down there, and you have like a 200x2 rms amp to push them, and you pay the shipping back up, i'll let you barrow them. just dont blow them!

[hallows-eve]

lmao... Keep 'em buddy, I can get my own if I want to.

So, the question was... "Do Alpine Type R 6x9's Lack Bass?" Well I just want to start by saying that the cheap pair, I have on hand were apparently ran through an amp, for all their lives. I have the older pair, the series I'm guessing MetalMan has had an encounter with. These things DID not mount up, in any way shape or form... The basket is quite oversized, meaning they would not drop into the factory hole. (Flaw#1) I couldn't come in from the trunk, ad the crossed bars got into the way. SO, I simply put them in the hole as deep as they would go, and tidied everything up.

Solution:

Much similar to the "Where's the beef?" I was left jaw on the floorboard, as I found that my 4x6's produced more bass than the 6x9's! In fact, my stockers, old and pushed hard, HAVE MORE BASS!

Conclusion:

If you're looking for some good trebly speakers, these are the ones for you! Want any shape of bass whatsoever? STAY AWAY!

The time you spend alone, figuring out how the hell to mount these bad boys alone, isn't worth the hassle!

Looks like Ryan's gotta find some new speakers... Maybe, 5.25" comps, all the way around? (After all, for bass fill, I've got a remedy, lmao!)

-Ryan,

[Metallman56]

*cough cough* should have shopped around *cough cough*

the ones i had had a silver cone with i think a blue R on it.

[MIAaron]

I havn't used aftermarket 6x9's in about 10 years, but even back then the alpine 6x9's didn't have bass. But as far as compared to stock they would still kick ass. The reason the 6x9's didn't sound good is cuz you didn't have them mounted to the rear deck. To get good bass response in an infinite baffle/free air setup you must have the front and rear wave of the speaker seperated. With the 6x9 just sitting in the hole without the flange sealed down, even the best speaker out there won't have good bass response.

[hepy117]

i also wanted to know if you guys think i should get 2 way or 3 way speakers?

[hallows-eve]

I havn't used aftermarket 6x9's in about 10 years, but even back then the alpine 6x9's didn't have bass. But as far as compared to stock they would still kick ass. The reason the 6x9's didn't sound good is cuz you didn't have them mounted to the rear deck. To get good bass response in an infinite baffle/free air setup you must have the front and rear wave of the speaker seperated. With the 6x9 just sitting in the hole without the flange sealed down, even the best speaker out there won't have good bass response.

Well... I kind of figured that, commen sense... So, I hooked up stockers up in the same mannor... again, they had more bass.

[Metallman56]

i also wanted to know if you guys think i should get 2 way or 3 way speakers?

ehh, with a 2-way the cone handles the lows and mids, and with a 3-way there is a seperate speaker for mids. some speakers you cant tell there is no mid-bass driver. it just depends on the speaker. i think MB Quart 6x9s are 2-way, but there know for there excellent mid-bass. it just depends on the speaker.

[Metallman56]

I havn't used aftermarket 6x9's in about 10 years, but even back then the alpine 6x9's didn't have bass. But as far as compared to stock they would still kick ass. The reason the 6x9's didn't sound good is cuz you didn't have them mounted to the rear deck. To get good bass response in an infinite baffle/free air setup you must have the front and rear wave of the speaker seperated. With the 6x9 just sitting in the hole without the flange sealed down, even the best speaker out there won't have good bass response.

very true. but when i had my Alpines, i mounted them up correctly. no bass. i'm really not surprised on Hallow-eyes results. infact i would be surprised if he had a differnt result. for speakers that are suppose to go down to 30hrz, i think they only go down to 100.

[MIAaron]

Freq response can be rated a ton of different ways, just like with amps. It seems they have dropped their coax qualitiy even more than before. Their 6x9's were never the king of bass, but to be worse than stock seems crazy. Do they put out a lot of midbass instead of the lower stuff?

[Metallman56]

from what i remember, and mind you its been a while, there mids and highs were not bad. thats why i call them the Bose of car audio.

[MIAaron]

Yeah, but Bose doesn't have high stuff either. That's where the saying "No highs, no lows, must be Bose." comes from. :D

[hallows-eve]

lmao... Mids and highs were acceptional.

-Ryan.

[hepy117]

I think I found what I want to get. Check out my cardomain for all of the details. pics and everything included

[Metallman56]

excelent selection. only thing i suggest is get premiers in the front as well, cause unless you drive from the back seat, the fronts are more important then the rears.

[Metallman56]

these are about the best sounding componets you can get for the money on the market. in the overall scheme of things, IMO Pioneer is not really a sound quality company, but these speakers are very very clear. Mendoza and i both agree there the best bang for the buck. i konw there a little more then you want to spend, but there worth it.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4985

[MIAaron]

If you liked those, you'll love the new set.

http://www.pioneerprs.com/


Pioneer does have some major SQ stuff in the home arena, goes by the name of Revel. Don't doubt Pioneer. They are a very large OEM and can produce products that compete with the very best. Their new PRS components are damn nice and can be had for about $220 on ebay.

[Metallman56]

isnt Pioneer the biggest speaker company in the world? or the biggest something in the world?

[Metallman56]

came across this review about them.

http://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0612_caep_pioneer_premier_ts_c720prs/listening.html

[MIAaron]

I've heard they are the largest OEM in the world but I can't verify it.

[hepy117]

i was looking at components for the front. any suggestions on comp. that are cheaper but are still good? also will the 6.75" (as in the components you showed me) fit in the front without modifying the door panel. (ie: i really only want to drill new holes)

[Metallman56]

Metall's recomendations. also i dont know what oyur limit is, so here you go.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-PRO60-6-5-COMPONENT-SPEAKER-SET-NEW_W0QQitemZ250057715985QQihZ015QQcategoryZ32819Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/MB-QUART-PCE-216-PREMIUM-6-5-COMPONENTS-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ140061309226QQihZ004QQcategoryZ32819Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/XXV-04S-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-COMPONENTS-KENWOOD-EXCELON-NEW_W0QQitemZ110065057142QQihZ001QQcategoryZ32819Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-06-DIAMOND-AUDIO-S600S-6-5-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ220056908948QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3 2819QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECLIPSE-SC8365-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-SYSTEM-3-way-6-5-4_W0QQitemZ300056992849QQihZ020QQcategoryZ32819QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[hepy117]

I found these on the pioneer website. would they fit into the stock holes? it's an oversized 6.5" (6.75"). found them on ebay for $72.99 buy it now price, $25 shipping.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/pna/product/detail/0,,32171715_32252653_228130004,00.html?compName=PN A_ProductDetailComponent

or...

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOTSC160R


I don't have alot to spend on speakers otherwise i would get the TS-C720PRS

[hallows-eve]

So, how about... All this talk of Pioneer, is making me want to jump ship, and go with a set of PRS comps, and mids... MetalMan... You still have that SPL sub?!?!?!?

lol.

[Metallman56]

I found these on the pioneer website. would they fit into the stock holes? it's an oversized 6.5" (6.75"). found them on ebay for $72.99 buy it now price, $25 shipping.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/pna/product/detail/0,,32171715_32252653_228130004,00.html?compName=PN A_ProductDetailComponent

or...

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOTSC160R


I don't have alot to spend on speakers otherwise i would get the TS-C720PRS

The Rev series is a good speaker. its very bass heavy though. if you plan on getting subs anytime soon, these speakers are not for you. however if you dont plan on getting subs anytime soon, then these would be perfect for you. there mids are not as clear as the PRS's but man alive, bass is second to none. how much are you looking to spend on fronts?

So, how about... All this talk of Pioneer, is making me want to jump ship, and go with a set of PRS comps, and mids... MetalMan... You still have that SPL sub?!?!?!?

lol.

nope, sorry you missed the train. Mendoza sold if for me at his shop. it went for $700 with the huge box i had custom made for it. what a steal for the guy that bought it. oh well, i got my PS3 with that money last night so its all good. :cheers:

[hallows-eve]

lucky bastad... I'm droolin' over the 3!

Back on track...

MM, what would you compare the Pioneer comps too? I'm referring to both the PRS's, and the highest end Revs.

Also, whats the deal with the 12" component woofer Pioneer has?

Thanks,
-Ryan.

PS... sorry to 'steal' the thread, but as most of you know... I'm A.) Fickle. B.) Curious. and C.) Eager to learn.

[Metallman56]

for the price not too much compairs to the PRS. those links that i posted up a couple of posts ago, are in the same price range, and all of them are very good speakers. as far as the Revs go, as i said, there mids are not as good, but there bass is lower then about anyother brand you will find.

as far as the sub, i dont know. i've never heard one. hell, i dont even know the specs on it. just based on where Pioneer is headed, i cant imagine it being a bad woofer. but as far as SQ goes, i have no clue.

[hepy117]

so do you think i should get rev's for the rear and somethign better for mids in the front? i'm not planning on hooking up my sub. i'm actually trying to sell it right now. but i am planning on keeping hte amp unless someone makes me a good offer for the 2.

also...check out my cardomain for an update of speakers and see what you think of them

[Metallman56]

i would go revs in the back if i were you. no question. how much are you willing to spend on fronts? just give me a range.

[hepy117]

Um i'm not looking to spend to much. like $100 at the most. I'm not lookin to enter competitions with my car or anything. just want to sound better than stock

[Metallman56]

ok here is what i found for less then $150. $100 or less for something thats better then stock, but still nothing to brag about isnt too easy. so here is the best i could do.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-SL65-6-5-2-Way-Coaxial-Speakers-NEW_W0QQitemZ140062297927QQihZ004QQcategoryZ18799Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Boston-Acoustics-SX65-6-5-Car-Speakers-200W-6-1-2-New_W0QQitemZ140060419341QQihZ004QQcategoryZ18799Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PIONEER-PREMIER-TS-A741P-6-1-2-4-WAY-250W-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ270065955492QQihZ017QQcategoryZ5 8027QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kenwood-Excelon-2-pair-w-free-shipping-in-the-USA_W0QQitemZ300056284771QQihZ020QQcategoryZ58026Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[hepy117]

out of those, which ones do you think are better, or which ones you prefer?

[Metallman56]

the Boston SL65's. but dude dont take my word on it, go hear them for your self.

[hepy117]

i would love to but the closest store to me is 70 miles in NY. Don't think my parents would go for driving that just to listen to speakers.

[Metallman56]

they dont have to go, you do

[hepy117]

yeah i know. but my dad is a total stickler about drivin cars and driving long distances for no reason. he already calls me gasoline ass because i like to go places around here.

[Metallman56]

not to be an ass, but as Nike would say, Just Do It. or have one of your friends take you.

[hepy117]

yeah

[hallows-eve]

It's the ony way bro... Trust me, I got this exact same lecture about a year-and-a-half ago. Going out and listening to the speakers yourself, and NOT taking other's word for them, is the only way.

-Ryan

[hallows-eve]

So.... Any updates?

[Banditlead]

"I don't want competition sound" is a stall. Your not sure what you want, you just know you want something.
Do yourself a favor, go find a Mom and Pop shop where the sales people are commisioned.

Commisioned you say? Doesnt that mean they will lie to you?
Well, not really, no.
Best Buy, Circuit City, are hourly wages. They dont care wether or not you buy, or understand, or return, cause that does not affect them.
And lets face it, you did not like the experience. You came online to ask a bunch of faceless people there opinion, even AFTER you heard the speakers at Best Buy. Because you did not believe in what they were selling, the man selling them, or that they sounded good.

Going to a Commisioned Store means that the sales person has a reason to find you speakers you like, and a reason for you to keep them. A good store will have a 100% return policy (except on Labor, sice you cant really return Labor) and if you return them, he has to pay the company back the commision.

Another thing I would recommend, is buy cheap is going to improve the sound, but make sure your actually happy buying what your buying. If you feel like your being Pressured into buying something too expensive (Which if you find a good shop, wont happen) don't buy it. But if you really do like the sound of expensive speakers, then save some extra money. You will be a lot happier in the long run.

If anyone hadnt noticed, im a Salesman, and I hate Best Buy/Circuit City for ****ing everything up. Im not in the Mobile section of the store, so I cant give input on speakers/types, but I do know we fix a lot of broken stereo installs by them.