Crunch Audio

[cardude007617]

hey-
a freind of mine bought some new 12" Crunch Ground Pounder subs and luvs them so far. says it makes his old (good stuff still) sound like tweeters lol. so, have any of u bought their stuff and is it good?
thanks

here is the page that they are on:
http://www.maxxsonics.com/crunch/GP_subs.html

more in-depth:
http://www.maxxsonics.com/crunch/GP_subs_details.htmland

[sound_xtreme]

theyre really not that bad anymore. aint the best, but theyre still cheap too

[cardude007617]

what does that mean? 12" GPs go for 330 each (i can get em for like ~100).
then wat other brand should i go with? keep in mind im 17 and i want a lotta bang for "no" buck? lol pece

[cardude007617]

so wat do u all think about the Crunch subs

[cardude007617]

ok screw crunch stuff, i heard him wrong. wat u guys think of MTX subs? or other brands that are good bass for the money?

[notsoaveragej0e]

MTX has been around for some time, I had a friend with some in his trunk- they are probably some of the best bang for your buck out there, I would say a definite "starter" sub

[Metallman56]

i'm not a big fan of MTX. i just dont like the way there subs sound. if you really want some "bang for the buck" i'd start off with some Pioneer Premier 3000SPL's off ebay, for about $100 a pop. or some Image Dynamic subs. either one will do ya right.

[MIAaron]

http://www.tcsounds.com/

All are a pretty good deal right now, but the db500 12's for $75 will be hard to beat on a budget.

They have a bunch of subs on sale right now. Go to their forums and you'll find people that have first hand experience with the product, and can help you with a nice ported box design.

[Metallman56]

hows the SQ on TC sounds, Miaaron?

[MIAaron]

I've used older tc9's, the tc-1000, and tc-2000. All have been stellar performers. TC sounds has been an OEM since the 80's, but only started selling direct recently. They know what they're doing and have provided woofers for many very well regarded companies.

I put a tc-2000 into a 214L enclosure tuned to 15hz with a kilowatt on tap. The person I built it for kept giggling like a little girl when I fired it up. He's now trying to figure out how to keep his silverware drawer from making so much noise....and his wife is worried that it's causing structural damage to the house. When low bass scenes hit, like those in the War of the Worlds remake, you can feel the subsonics flexing the floor of his living room.

[nascarnate326]

I have Alpine Type R 12, and I love it. 900 way Rockford amp thats pretty good. My car pounds. I just got out of two MTX 10's and they were pretty good. Alpine though, is my personal fav right now.

[cardude007617]

grrrrrr this is confusing lol. im on a moderate budjet. like 110 a sub or like everything (box and subs) for 300 is ok i mean i can spend a little more if its gonna help alot. i luv bass for rap, theres no other way to listen to rap personally than with monster bass going on. so yea and reccomendations?

[cardude007617]

wat do u guys think of MMATS subs? im not talking the real expensive PROFESSIONAL **** but like the normal stuff? the P2.0 or P2.5 or i guess P3.0 if theres not a huge price difference

[Metallman56]

honestly, before yesterday i had never heard of TC Sounds. but for $120, and 24 mm of xmas, i doubt your going to find a sub to move more air for that price. IMO thats insane, and i would really like to hear one.

[MIAaron]

The only thing with the tc1000 is that it idealy is meant for a ported enclosure. Either that or some big power and EQ contouring in a sealed box...

What does that $300 budget cover? Amp, subs & box, or just subs & box? Are you capable of making your own box?

[cardude007617]

well a box is like 30-50 bucks. all just absorb that and not put it in the budget. but, like id like to keep it under 450 for amp/subs (12" inches) and i can get a Monster Cable off ebay for like 50 so take that off the top too.

[Metallman56]

if i were you i wouldnt just go in a store and buy any ole box. i'd make or have made a custom box built to the specs of the sub or subs. you sub is only going to be as good as the box you put it in. so box specs are very important.

[cardude007617]

right, im getting my subs first so i know wat kind/size of box to get. wat do u think of MMATS audio's P2.0 line? and id prbly just get a 1500w RF amp for them

[Metallman56]

ive never heard any MMATS, but just by looking at the specs, i think those TC-1000's would blow this woofer away.

[MIAaron]

mmats used to make descent spl stuff back in the late 90's, but I havn't heard any of their recent stuff.

The problem with the tc1000's is that his budget for the box probably isn't gonna cut it. The only way he is gonna get a box for $30-50 is if it's sealed, which I would avoid with them unless he wants to try a linkwitz transform...but that isn't something I would recommend to a noob.

[WeibSunder]

MMATS is what everyone around here has. They are the hardest hitting I have ever heard, well...besides the Kicker Solo 18's that I heard in a hummer 1 time, that was life changing and I thought my heart was going to explode.

[cardude007617]

no, EBAY has like all boxes for like ~60, and arent the MMATS competition grade?

[WeibSunder]

Yeah, the MMATS are comp grade. If you go to the annual DB drag in Myrtle Beach, SC, that's pretty much all you will see. But just to warn you, everyone that I've seen try to run MMATS 12's or 15's had to use a MMATS amp (also comp grade), because everything else will just fry. Good luck with your audio situation.

[cardude007617]

well, im 17 in not into that kinda stuff. im just looking for some good hitting bass. and ik a guy i can get a pair of 12s from for 170. so ya, im not lookin to run the **** outta em. so would a RF or regular MTX amp be fine then?

[Bryan]

As long as the amp and subs RMS ratings are close and the air space of the box matches that of the subs recommended space, I don't think you'll be upset w/ anything you get. I think everyone's pumped about their first audio set up no matter what it is. I say match everything up right, including your price range, and enjoy it :)

[cardude007617]

i just dont want to get it all here and then 400 bucks lata it sucks ass. but do u think id be happy with the MMATS p2.0 with a matched mtx or RF amp? i have a pioneer 5900ib deck so im set there.

[WeibSunder]

If you have to, get you a set of used MMATS, even used they play brand new. One of my friends still has a setup (2 - 12's, and 1 - 1,500 watt amp) from when we were in 10th grade and that was like...2000 and he still uses them in comp's. The MMATS aren't made to be disposable speakers. I really think you will be happy with the MMATS IMO, but it's whatever you choose and just match up the Ohm's as close as you can get with you HU, speakers, and amp, and get the right size box and you will be set to beat. Search around ebay/crutchfield/ubid.com/buy.com and you will find something...just whatever you do, don't get your audio from Walmart. lol

[cardude007617]

wats wrong with walmart?????? jkjk. well i can get em from a guy i know for like 170 a pair for 12in P2.0s. and wats better? 2ohm or 4ohm subs??? cuz a lotta times, theyre the same price. and wats better for 2 subs; 2ch amp or 1ch amp?

[WeibSunder]

****!!! $170 for 2 MMATS p2.0 12's? You better grab that before he comes to his senses! You want 2 ohm's, and a 2 channel D-class amp, but for the 12's, you shouldn't get anything less than 1500 watts. And whatever you do, wire them right, don't use one of the little Modulator's that hook to your rear speakers in the back. But try your best to get the amp at 2 ohms, your speakers at 2 ohms and your HU at 2 ohms. And if you want your system to sound the best with the highest tweets and the lowest bass, get yourself a mp3 player. I got the Zune 30 gig, and I won't go back to CD's again!

[cardude007617]

nah he just gets a deal on em and they only get 130 new

[cardude007617]

are the P2.5s 30 bucks better than the 2.0s? (both 12')

[Metallman56]

just one thing to think about. if you need 1500 watts rms to run 2 MMats, you might go over your budget. its hard to find a good amp that actually puts out that much power at 12.6 or even 14.4. you cant just walk into a normal store and buy an amp that powerful. thats gonna take a big a*s expensive amp. not to mention with 1500 watts, and nothing done to your alternator, and no cap, your gonna have major dimming and maybe some voltage issues.

just some food for thought.


as far as Rockford goes, i'm not really a big fan. i wouldnt buy any of there punch stuff, maybe something from there power line, i'm just not a big fan.

[kingsofcrunk]

Rockford redesigned their P1's which look a lot better. Plus they are really affoardable subs.

[cardude007617]

just one thing to think about. if you need 1500 watts rms to run 2 MMats, you might go over your budget. its hard to find a good amp that actually puts out that much power at 12.6 or even 14.4. you cant just walk into a normal store and buy an amp that powerful. thats gonna take a big a*s expensive amp. not to mention with 1500 watts, and nothing done to your alternator, and no cap, your gonna have major dimming and maybe some voltage issues.

just some food for thought.


as far as Rockford goes, i'm not really a big fan. i wouldnt buy any of there punch stuff, maybe something from there power line, i'm just not a big fan.

im gonna buy my amp and amp kit from ebay. there are 1500w 2CHs on there for 260~ shipped, even a Kicker 550.2 one i saw a couple days ago so its not just the **** no one wants...

[cardude007617]

wait, nvm, that kicker is no where near enough pwr anyways.........there are a bunch of rockfords on there tho

[Metallman56]

just a word to the wise, and i dont know if i'm just really lucky, or if this has happend to others, but i bought 4 kicker amps about 2 years ago. of the 4, 2 are messed up. one wont turn on anymore, and the other is just flat out dead. the 3rd my buddy has to run a sub, and the 4th is under my bed in the box, so i dont know if it still works or not. 2 amps going bad in 2 years isnt very good. so if i were you i'd streer away from kicer amps.

[cardude007617]

i was making a point thats its just the generic brands on ebay.... lol does this sound about right:
$200 MMATS p2.0 12' subs (2)
~$50 for box
~$40 monster cable 4g amp kit
$250 for a 1500w amp
~$40 bass cap

$220 pioneer 5900ib head unit...already installed
$120 9613i infinity 6x9s...already installed
would that make a pretty good system? and all the stuff under the subs would be off of ebay....

[Metallman56]

question. why are you getting a 1500 watt amp? those subs are 350 rms a piece. last time i checked 350x2 = 700 watts. not 1500. but thats a good thing cause you wont have to get a amp that big. which means you will save some money. it also means you wont need a cap. which again will save you more money.

[cardude007617]

cuz like the guy said that sells them said that its good to have a more pwrful amp to drive em cuz they are comp grade and u want enough pwr. I dont get it, id jsut think that something like a 1000w amp would be good. ill ask more details later.

[cardude007617]

once and for all.....would a bass cap for a ~1000w max 2ch amp make the bass hit harder and sound better while also helping my electrical system? or is it more harm than good... Ive heard both ways; BADDDD and GOOOOOD. so wat is it

[cardude007617]

and also Ebay has like 4 farad caps for like 30 shipped so a decent sized cap isnt a big deal price wise just like the $40 dollar monster cable 4g amp kits too lol

[Metallman56]

cuz like the guy said that sells them said that its good to have a more pwrful amp to drive em cuz they are comp grade and u want enough pwr. I dont get it, id jsut think that something like a 1000w amp would be good. ill ask more details later.

the woofers your looking at are not "comp" grade. thats why i'd stick with the rms of 350 watts each.

once and for all.....would a bass cap for a ~1000w max 2ch amp make the bass hit harder and sound better while also helping my electrical system? or is it more harm than good... Ive heard both ways; BADDDD and GOOOOOD. so wat is it

caps are more for helping your lights not dim, and cause less strain to your electrical system. as far as bass hitting harder, i'm not 100% sure if thats true. i'd have to see it to believe it.


and also Ebay has like 4 farad caps for like 30 shipped so a decent sized cap isnt a big deal price wise just like the $40 dollar monster cable 4g amp kits too lol

if your pushing under 1000 watts, you shouldnt need a cap. a good rule of thumb is 1 farad for every 1,000 watts. so if you had 4,000 watts, you'd want a 4 farad cap. other wise its just overkill.

[cardude007617]

how is a Crunch 1100.2 amp paired with 2 MMATS 12' P2.0 subs sound to u guys in a sealed box?

[sound_xtreme]

i think the best brand mentioned in here is the TC Sounds. great subs

[cardude007617]

wat about the crunch 1100.2 amp?

[cardude007617]

or any newer crunch groundpounder series amps....

[sound_xtreme]

my old crunch amp was badass, had that thing to 1/4ohm at least. was the one with the anodized blue ends. thing went through hell. i actually melted the main power trace on the circuit board(used a piece of 12ga for a fuse), soldered the trace back together and worked like a champ for many more years. crazy stuff

[cardude007617]

oh well that makes me more confident in their amps. any1 have their newer groundpounder series? cuz im most likely gonna get the 1100.2

[Metallman56]

if your gonna get those mmats subs, that amp wont give them enough power to reach there full potential.

[cardude007617]

ya it will, they're only 500w max each, and that amp has 1100 max, and 250 rms at 2ohm if im correct so its close enough

[sound_xtreme]

2 different rating systems. crunch overrates. mmats underrate

[cardude007617]

well, it allows for 100watts either way so....

[Metallman56]

ok, i think you misunderstood me. when i said 100 watts either way, i meant with both subs together. the subs are 350 rms each. were not going to talk about max anymore, just rms. so 350 rms each. you want 2. so your total rms is going to be right around 700 watts. the amp you want will put out 500 watts. so, your missing your mark by 200 watts. the when i told you 100 watts, i didnt mean each sub. 100 watts to miss the mark is really no big deal when your talking about a woofer with like a 750 watts or more rms. but if you missing 100 watts from a 350 watt sub, thats like missing 1/3 of your power.

so listen. with 2 subs you want to get a close to 700 watts rms as possible. if your between 600-800 watts, you should still be fine, but the closer you can get to 700 the better off your gonna be.

[cardude007617]

ya, wats a amp i should get then? not brand but model....

[Metallman56]

heres a really nice Diamond audio amp. 2 the 2 things that make it good for you is you can run it at 2 ohms to get 600 watts rms. or 1 ohm to get 800 watts rms. so if 600 isnt making the cut, kick it up to 800. also Diamond makes good stuff. and it comes with a bass remote, which is one thing i love.

[cardude007617]

wat is the max and model number for that amp?

[Metallman56]

my bad, next time i guess my dumb ass should provide a link

http://cgi.ebay.com/DIAMOND-AUDIO-D3-800-1-MONO-AMPLIFIER-800W-NEW-D3800-1_W0QQitemZ250092034044QQcategoryZ18797QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

[cardude007617]

haha its ok, i just wanted to see the exact amp u were talking about lol

[cardude007617]

but im gettin 2 subs....not just 1

[cardude007617]

so i would need a 2ch amp to run both subs

[Metallman56]

wrong. you can hook up 2 subs to a mono amp. hell you can hook up 4 subs to a mono amp.

[cardude007617]

plus they're cheaper and more efficient right? hey if u can metalman get on aim....

[cardude007617]

wat u know about crunch's more expensive line of amps?

[cardude007617]

hey again, u guys said hifonics is good right? wat about their Zeus line? thanks

[cardude007617]

any thoughts at all?