Im done with this car.

[silvergtjrad]

I went to the track today and ran a best of 15.119 @ 91.47. Ive never been more dissapointed. My current mods are a custom cold air box, slp catback, S&S ceramic coated headers, high flow cat, 65mm TCE TB, 3500 heads, Ported lim, ported uim, drag radials, and an mp racing tune with some minor adjustments by me. I left the track early to go home I was so pissed. Im done wasting any more of my hard earned money on such an unresponsive car. I picked up 3 tenths since my last time at the track and Ive added the 3500 top end with ported manifolds and drag radials. I dont plan to do any additional mods to the car nor part anything out. Its going to just stay in its current state as a somewhat fun daily driver and thats it. The past week ive been really looking into getting a motorcycle. Right now Im the last in my group of friends to not have one. It will definitely be a more cost effective toy and I can pick up a used bike for less than Ive spent on the mods to my car. This is the end of the road for the GAGT modding. eff the GAGT, fo realz:amraam:

[Ajaxus]

nice rant, but i hope you aren't gettin a bike "just to fit in." also please, for your sake, get a good learner bike the first time around.

[silvergtjrad]

i hope you aren't gettin a bike "just to fit in." This is pretty much the reason anyone under the age of 30 does anything. Id like a "nicer" car that is somewhat fast already rather than a bike, but it just isnt quite as cost effective. A few of my friends still have their learner bikes laying around their garages for me to repeatedly drop. Once Im comfortable enough I'll get my license and purchase a bike for myself though. Im absolutely not spending more than $3500 because I know that its going to get dropped at some point.

[Malaclypse]

This is pretty much the reason anyone under the age of 30 does anything.

I'm sorry but that's absolutely hilarious.

You've much to learn when you grow up.

BTW, Three-tenths is a pretty good gain when you consider drag racing.

[flan flan]

haha idk y but im running faster times then you and all i got is borla exhuast no cat no res and a cold air intake...and a jet chip i picked up for 40 bucks...somethigns gotta b wrong...hows your tranny? cause mine was with bald tires with traction control off i ran 15.6 cause i was spinning so bad off the line so i prob could have ran faster with good tires but o well

[bballr4567]

What exactly were your times?? Did you just run it once? Also with the tune going to the track its a huge help. Going down one time wont show you anything at all. Did you at least log the run?

[Ajaxus]

haha idk y but im running faster times then you and all i got is borla exhuast no cat no res and a cold air intake...and a jet chip i picked up for 40 bucks...somethigns gotta b wrong...hows your tranny? cause mine was with bald tires with traction control off i ran 15.6 cause i was spinning so bad off the line so i prob could have ran faster with good tires but o well

i've been around long enough to know that with what you listed..throwin the BS flag is appropriate, sorry. ;crap

[gaowners32]

Not really when i had my old 2.4 ga exhaust intake and aem fuel rail and larger injectors and drag slick i ran a 15.4 still have that time slip somewhere saved on the old old old forum before the updates. Maybe someone can dig it up

[WeibSunder]

I went to the track today and ran a best of 15.119 @ 91.47. Ive never been more dissapointed. My current mods are a custom cold air box, slp catback, S&S ceramic coated headers, high flow cat, 65mm TCE TB, 3500 heads, Ported lim, ported uim, drag radials, and an mp racing tune with some minor adjustments by me. I left the track early to go home I was so pissed. Im done wasting any more of my hard earned money on such an unresponsive car. I picked up 3 tenths since my last time at the track and Ive added the 3500 top end with ported manifolds and drag radials. I dont plan to do any additional mods to the car nor part anything out. Its going to just stay in its current state as a somewhat fun daily driver and thats it. The past week ive been really looking into getting a motorcycle. Right now Im the last in my group of friends to not have one. It will definitely be a more cost effective toy and I can pick up a used bike for less than Ive spent on the mods to my car. This is the end of the road for the GAGT modding. eff the GAGT, fo realz:amraam:


Not trying to be a smart ass, but maybe why your car isn't really putting down good numbers is because it was never intended to be a race car.

[flan flan]

i no the pic is blurry its off my cell i ran a 15.15 at 89.73 mp my other run was 15.21 and my third run was a 15.698 at 89.53 mph... the 15.6 was the run with trac control off and i spun like a mother off the line :( once i get some good rubber hopefully i can hit i high 14.9 without headers:-D but we will see and aj ill try to get a better pic of the slip if ya still dont believe me haha oo and all runs were at enlishtown in april perfect 70° weather

[AaronGTR]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but maybe why your car isn't really putting down good numbers is because it was never intended to be a race car.


Thats a dumb answer if I've ever seen one. What it was intended for has nothing to do with his times. Spy's car wasn't intended to be a race car either... nor was Schweppe's or Tejohnson's... they are all running 13's and 12's.

The only thing that matters is his time in comparison to the times of people with similar mods. His results are not typical of those mods. Most people at that point would be running low 14's. I'd say there's some other problem, or he just doesn't know how to drive (I'd suspect the former). The grand am is a plenty responsive and capable car from what I've seen.

[lone_wolf025]

i've been around long enough to know that with what you listed..throwin the BS flag is appropriate, sorry. ;crap

I dunno... 15.15 is doable with a CAI and exhaust...

But to the OP,

You've gotta be having issues somewhere else. I would wonder if your tranny is going like someone else said...It might make sense seeing as how your times went from bad to worse real fast. When was the last time you had a pan drop or flush done?

[nascarnate326]

I feel ya on getting a motorcycle. I am currently on the hunt for a CBR 600 RR.

[WeibSunder]

Well, it's nothing new for me to be wrong, but that's just my opinion, didn't know I would get blasted for my opinion. Didn't know that I wasn't allowed to post opinions...I'll know next time.

[GregFarz78]

Anyone here could've told you to make a GA fast you have to spend an assload of money

[lvemy3100]

did you log your run?? if so send me your .bin and log and I will take a look and see why you are running so badly...
otherwise I plan to go to the track very soon and would be more than happy to go with you.. or maybe you would want to come by my new place and we could take a look at it there...

in all seriousness you should have just saved the .bin I flashed to your car and then started with a bone stock .bin and modding that via VE and MAF tuning...

I highly doubt that your car is running right running those times...

what all did you do to the PCM since I flashed it? did you do ANY VE tuning?? did you bump timing any??

[lvemy3100]

Anyone here could've told you to make a GA fast you have to spend an assload of money

not really.. it just depends on how fast you want to go... the faster you want to go in any car the more money it will cost you but its not always about how much money you have that dictates how fast you can go..

no matter what if the tune for the car is off throwing all the money in the world worth of parts wont make a difference...

IMO the VE on this motor was changed so much that the computer is having some "issues" making up for it....

[tomh]

what plugs/wires do you have? i have noticed a HUGE difference between brands on the street (nothing time tested or anything)

[lvemy3100]

Well, it's nothing new for me to be wrong, but that's just my opinion, didn't know I would get blasted for my opinion. Didn't know that I wasn't allowed to post opinions...I'll know next time.

you ARE allowed to post opinions and you did... your opinion was responded to with someone elses opinion..

maybe its me but I dont see the problem...

[Mike Jung]

...jet chip...
lol

[Graxall]

I went to the track today and ran a best of 15.119 @ 91.47. Ive never been more dissapointed. My current mods are a custom cold air box, slp catback, S&S ceramic coated headers, high flow cat, 65mm TCE TB, 3500 heads, Ported lim, ported uim, drag radials, and an mp racing tune with some minor adjustments by me. I left the track early to go home I was so pissed. Im done wasting any more of my hard earned money on such an unresponsive car. I picked up 3 tenths since my last time at the track and Ive added the 3500 top end with ported manifolds and drag radials. I dont plan to do any additional mods to the car nor part anything out. Its going to just stay in its current state as a somewhat fun daily driver and thats it. The past week ive been really looking into getting a motorcycle. Right now Im the last in my group of friends to not have one. It will definitely be a more cost effective toy and I can pick up a used bike for less than Ive spent on the mods to my car. This is the end of the road for the GAGT modding. eff the GAGT, fo realz:amraam:

I mean thats all good stuff, but since i have been on these forums, it seems the only REAL way to break any decent times in a GA is to SC or turbo it...you can do 100 "small" mods that mean almost nothing...:( sorry tho bro..and yea i want a bike eventually too!

[silvergtjrad]

I wasnt able to take any logs of my runs. I bought the PT with a friend and he had it for the weekend. I ran 14 runs before I left the track, they all ranged between 15.1 and 15.3 depending on how much time i let the car cool. I know that any N/A car isnt going to be very fast, but damn, this is just pathetic.

I highly doubt that with a tune the car will be running the times similarly modded cars are. Oh, and I could use some new plugs too.

[bballr4567]

Once you get a tune down the car will run in the mid 14s Im guessing. The car isnt running good at all and the times show that. There is some other issues going on for sure.

I also bet that with cooler plugs you will be running much better times. Plus if it was hot at the track (above 85) that kills a TON of time.

[2002GT]

Let's start with... what times were you expecting?

[silvergtjrad]

Let's start with... what times were you expecting?
My first time at the track I was running 15.5's. Since then Ive added 3500 heads, ported 3500 lower, ported 3400 upper, and a pair of drag radials. Based on my previous time at the track plus mods and experience driving I would have been really happy with a 14.8

[Ajaxus]

I dunno... 15.15 is doable with a CAI and exhaust...


I've never heard of it, unless we're talking about some freak elevation and temperatures that make the car run at it's absolute best. *shrug*

oh and flan flan, i can't see **** in that picture lol

[lone_wolf025]

I've never heard of it, unless we're talking about some freak elevation and temperatures that make the car run at it's absolute best. *shrug*

oh and flan flan, i can't see **** in that picture lol

Well I've run 15.15 with just my CAI and cutout on a night in the 60-70 degree range w/stock RSA's. And I don't think there is that much of a difference b/w a cutout and catback... I'd be happy provide legible pics of the slips if you'd like :).

But I'm gonna agree with you on that pic. My old phone took crappy pics but that takes the cake.

[lvemy3100]

I've never heard of it, unless we're talking about some freak elevation and temperatures that make the car run at it's absolute best. *shrug*

oh and flan flan, i can't see **** in that picture lol

AJ- a 15.4 can be attained from a tune alone on a stock gagt with a dirty air filter....

and I know for a fact that Jon has no reason or want to lie about something like how fast his GA has gone... lol

proper custom tune+ CAI+ high flow cat and mandrel bent 2.5" cat-back system using an at2525 muffler = consistent 14.9xx's

I know that to be true cause it was just done the other day by a customer of mine who literally just stopped by to thank me and brought the vid for me to watch...


all of the above said I would think that there is something physically wrong with the motor/trans OR the tune is off .. maybe both.. unless its in front of me or I can see some good scans I cant really say anything for sure..

[lone_wolf025]

AJ- a 15.4 can be attained from a tune alone on a stock gagt with a dirty air filter....

and I know for a fact that Jon has no reason or want to lie about something like how fast his GA has gone... lol

proper custom tune+ CAI+ high flow cat and mandrel bent 2.5" cat-back system using an at2525 muffler = consistent 14.9xx's

I know that to be true cause it was just done the other day by a customer of mine who literally just stopped by to thank me and brought the vid for me to watch...


all of the above said I would think that there is something physically wrong with the motor/trans OR the tune is off .. maybe both.. unless its in front of me or I can see some good scans I cant really say anything for sure..


^ Yea what he said. Though just for kicks I should talk to you about a custom tune for my car one of these days...

[blake]

Let's start with... what times were you expecting?

lol, i was gonna ask the same thing


it's a GRAND AM people. damn. find something else to waste your money on if you are looking for speed.

[Ajaxus]

AJ- a 15.4 can be attained from a tune alone on a stock gagt with a dirty air filter....

and I know for a fact that Jon has no reason or want to lie about something like how fast his GA has gone... lol

proper custom tune+ CAI+ high flow cat and mandrel bent 2.5" cat-back system using an at2525 muffler = consistent 14.9xx's

I know that to be true cause it was just done the other day by a customer of mine who literally just stopped by to thank me and brought the vid for me to watch...


all of the above said I would think that there is something physically wrong with the motor/trans OR the tune is off .. maybe both.. unless its in front of me or I can see some good scans I cant really say anything for sure..

huh, learn something new every day :)

lol, i was gonna ask the same thing


it's a GRAND AM people. damn. find something else to waste your money on if you are looking for speed.

so basically instead of taking on a challenge we should go buy something else and take the easy way out? sorry, i hate taking the easy way, and my car will show it in about a year or two.

[bballr4567]

Yea AJ Mark is right. I know a GT that runs 14.9s with just a tune, cat back and CAI. Something has to wrong with his car.

[Ajaxus]

Yea AJ Mark is right. I know a GT that runs 14.9s with just a tune, cat back and CAI. Something has to wrong with his car.

well i guess i'll be a hell of a lot quicker after GAP then, cause im definitely goin for a tune while i'm there.

[lone_wolf025]

well i guess i'll be a hell of a lot quicker after GAP then, cause im definitely goin for a tune while i'm there.

I'd be happy to do a fun runs against ya before and after :D

[bballr4567]

Hell with a tune my SE is a pretty good deal faster then a GT. After 2700 RPMs my car pulls like its unreal. Tuning totally changes the car for sure.

[Vegeta]

Stock 3500 heads?

I don't have all the info I need yet regarding tuning and the 3500 heads/lower but I can tell you that your tune right now is inadequate if it was based off the 3400 heads and not fully tuned since the swap. You are right to be pissed, but its nothing new to me to see this happen. Tuning is such a vital role in getting the power you expect. You need to do some wide band tuning, get the AE figured, and the power enrichment.

[Ajaxus]

I'd be happy to do a fun runs against ya before and after :D

Still undecided on whether or not I'll race..I'm still shooken up from my buddy dying in a race a year ago..true it wasn't at a track and it was on a bike, but a race is a race and an accident is an accident. ;crap

The tune is more about getting the most out of my car and feeling good about what's been done so far than it's about anything else..

[silvergtjrad]

Stock 3500 heads? I opened up the exhaust ports ever so slightly and polished them up pretty decent, so basicly stock 3500 heads.

Im going to get some good scans for you guys to take a look at and hopefully find someone locally to help me out on tuning. I really dont know what im doing yet at all. Its a lot of info to take in at once. Besides that I found I had a vacuum leak today, i need to get some new plugs (thinking some tr6's), and maybe some wires.

it's a GRAND AM people. damn. find something else to waste your money on if you are looking for speed. Although it would be nice to have an uber fast car, a grand am is not the greatest platforms to do this with. However, id like to have one of the faster cars among the grand am community.

[flan flan]

lol

it was 40 bucks shipped haha what can i say for that much i could justify buying one...... for the 250 or whatever they want for it hell no....im pretty happy with it though i didnt know it was gonna stiffen the shifts up since it only deals with the fuel and air ish but it makes the car shift like a f*ckin dream nails everry gear :-D

[XtremeGaGt00]

i say keep going, i neec some competition in the woodridge/romeoville area...take up the challenge and build a monster, im thinkin of either buyin a cam, or dhp tuner...gotta make them heads turn...and say WTF!?! A grand ma?

[silvergtjrad]

i say keep going, i neec some competition in the woodridge/romeoville area
Im just at a roadblock right now. If i cant get this thing running any better then this is the end of the road for modding. I put a TON of parts on my car in a very short amount of time. Before february I had a catback and intake, now look at my mods list...

[XtremeGaGt00]

pretty sure its all in your tuning...id be willing to BET you can take about .3-.5 more tenths off your best et if evereything was tuned right

[Ajaxus]

Im going to get some good scans for you guys to take a look at and hopefully find someone locally to help me out on tuning. I really dont know what im doing yet at all. Its a lot of info to take in at once. Besides that I found I had a vacuum leak today, i need to get some new plugs (thinking some tr6's), and maybe some wires.


Mark at MP Racing isn't that bad of a drive from you.

[lone_wolf025]

Mark at MP Racing isn't that bad of a drive from you.

I concur. I drive a good hour+ to get up there and I'm not kicking.

Oh and AJ as for the racing thing, I can see where you're coming from. If you do race maybe we'll set something up. If not, well then we'll all have a good time anyways.

[Ajaxus]

Im just at a roadblock right now. If i cant get this thing running any better then this is the end of the road for modding. I put a TON of parts on my car in a very short amount of time. Before february I had a catback and intake, now look at my mods list...

I'm gonna be making a similar transition as you but doing it over this next year..looking at similar parts but I'm gonna go through Ben and 60degreev6 I think. So that'll put two of us in the midwest.

[Ajaxus]

I concur. I drive a good hour+ to get up there and I'm not kicking.

Oh and AJ as for the racing thing, I can see where you're coming from. If you do race maybe we'll set something up. If not, well then we'll all have a good time anyways.

Personally I have my heart on paying one of the underagers to be my DD and then drinkin it up to the sounds of engines throttling up and the smell of burning rubber and gasoline fumes..lol

[lone_wolf025]

Now THAT's what I call a good time!

[Sprucegagt]

Im just at a roadblock right now. If i cant get this thing running any better then this is the end of the road for modding. I put a TON of parts on my car in a very short amount of time. Before february I had a catback and intake, now look at my mods list...

You have a right to be pissed about your times. But unless you tune the car to take advantage of your mods, you will see disappointing results. The stock PE and torque management settings are pathetic for making power. Get a wideband and do a lot of reading on the DHP forums. Then you can get your tune in order and get your times down.

[AznGA]

I have been to a track only once when my GA GT was relatively new. My best run was 16.3 with WAI and SLP exhaust. Yeap, that was embarassing. But I ran against a mid 90's Mustang GT Convertible Automatic and beat it.

I saw a stock GA GT running 15.7 so yea, there was something wrong with my car back then. I probably didn't know how to launch either.

[XtremeGaGt00]

long time ago...i still even got the slip, i ran a best of 15.8 at rt. 66 with just my flowmaster muffler

[zhd1000]

i'm on the frustrated with my GA boat too.. before the last time i went to the track i had a pb of 15.195 and that was with intake/headers/catback (and i think that time is a little slow for those mods..) and then i added ffp udp and dhp and ran a 15.38.. adding parts and going backwards.. sux.. i'm sure that we'll figure out whatever is holding our cars back and get them running like they should..

[silvergtjrad]

adding parts and going backwards
Damn, that sucks! At least my car isnt getting slower! Ive begun to try and tune it some. Working on getting my ltfts settled down. I put in some NGK tr6's yesterday too.

[timberwoof]

Would a more aggressive CAM work on his car with the 3500 heads? If so how much of a diff?

[Vegeta]

Certainly but without proper tuning, its all pointless anyway.

http://www.60degreev6.com/store/images/Cam/60V6regrinds.htm

and the store listing that explains the setup.
http://www.60degreev6.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=70

[GA Nightmare]

I went to the track today and ran a best of 15.119 @ 91.47. Ive never been more dissapointed. My current mods are a custom cold air box, slp catback, S&S ceramic coated headers, high flow cat, 65mm TCE TB, 3500 heads, Ported lim, ported uim, drag radials, and an mp racing tune with some minor adjustments by me. I left the track early to go home I was so pissed. Im done wasting any more of my hard earned money on such an unresponsive car. I picked up 3 tenths since my last time at the track and Ive added the 3500 top end with ported manifolds and drag radials. I dont plan to do any additional mods to the car nor part anything out. Its going to just stay in its current state as a somewhat fun daily driver and thats it. The past week ive been really looking into getting a motorcycle. Right now Im the last in my group of friends to not have one. It will definitely be a more cost effective toy and I can pick up a used bike for less than Ive spent on the mods to my car. This is the end of the road for the GAGT modding. eff the GAGT, fo realz:amraam:

Hahaha, this is why I quit LONG time ago!