Milzy Motorsports 48hr Sale

[MilzyZ34]

Well we usually don't do 2 sales at once, but we've decided to offer a special 48hr sale with some insane deals on some of our popular products ...

40% off cross-drilled/slotted rotors
$75 pcm's
$275 cast camshafts
$225 billet 65mm throttle body (fully assembled of course)

The sale will start around 9:00 tonight, and will end Sunday night. Don't let these deals pass you by.

[timberwoof]

Hot damn I'm interested in the cross drilled. going to site now.

[lightningGA]

WOW....great prices!!!

[Bryan]

Is there a code or something? I don't see the sales on the site.

[bigstribs]

Just send Milzy a pm!

[gaowners32]

PCM tune?

So $75 for an 04....do u need to know the mods i have done to the car?

[MilzyZ34]

PCM tune?

So $75 for an 04....do u need to know the mods i have done to the car?

The standard pcm is set up for a car with a stock camshaft. The Stage 1 and Stage 2 PCM's are designed for use with our Stage 1 and Stage 2 cams. They offer higher shift points, rev limiter, idle speed, timing advance, and some slight A/F adjustments to go with the cam.

The MAF sensor will detect the increase in airflow due to engine mods like cold air intake, exhaust, etc. The things I need to know about if they're not stock when you order a PCM is what MAF you're using, what injectors, gear ratio changes, etc. You can also let me know if you'd like higher shift points, idle speed, or any other custom changes for any reason. i don't charge for little adjustments here and there. The "custom" pcm price is for a PCM where i have to set it up for nitrous, turbo, etc or do a number of custom changes not just a couple.

[MilzyZ34]

Is there a code or something? I don't see the sales on the site.

It takes a lot of work to launch these sales, so I was giving you guys a heads-up. The sale is now up and running.

[lvemy3100]

The standard pcm is set up for a car with a stock camshaft. The Stage 1 and Stage 2 PCM's are designed for use with our Stage 1 and Stage 2 cams. They offer higher shift points, rev limiter, idle speed, timing advance, and some slight A/F adjustments to go with the cam.

The MAF sensor will detect the increase in airflow due to engine mods like cold air intake, exhaust, etc. The things I need to know about if they're not stock when you order a PCM is what MAF you're using, what injectors, gear ratio changes, etc. You can also let me know if you'd like higher shift points, idle speed, or any other custom changes for any reason. i don't charge for little adjustments here and there. The "custom" pcm price is for a PCM where i have to set it up for nitrous, turbo, etc or do a number of custom changes not just a couple.

please tell me you arent serious about not changing fueling tables due to the fact that you THINK the MAF should make up for ANY changes in airflow...

[MilzyZ34]

please tell me you arent serious about not changing fueling tables due to the fact that you THINK the MAF should make up for ANY changes in airflow...

We don't make a/f adjustments without wideband data (with the exception of some idle/cruise changes we make in the Stage 1 and Stage 2 pcm's). Cars run differently depending on many factors such as the health of their fuel pump, cleaness of their MAF sensor, etc. It would not make sense to tune the A/F ratio without sufficient data. If you'd prefer to make these changes in the PCM's you sell without knowing first what the current A/F ratio is, that's your decision, I just don't need the liability of leaning out the ratio and someone blowing their engine because of it. If the customer wants the A/F ratio perfectly tuned, they can bring it in and we can put it on a dyno, or do a street tune, but without a wideband, you're not going to get perfect results.

Now the MAF is designed to read the amount of incoming air and command the appropriate fuel. And as long as the fuel pump is in good shape and the MAF is clean, and everything is running smoothly, the MAF does an excellent job in adapting to new mods. Most of the time, it's a little bit rich like say 12:1 or maybe fatter, but if i assumed to make the adjustments to put it at the perfect AFR, a car that may not run that rich due to its own circumstances will now be even leaner, and maybe even dangerously lean to create a major detonation problem.

I will agree that the stock AFR isn't perfectly optimal for the most hp, but when I send out a pcm, the car will run at the same ratio as it was with the stock pcm and be just as reliable. A couple hp more isn't worth damaging something when you don't have all the facts.

[lvemy3100]

We don't make a/f adjustments without wideband data (with the exception of some idle/cruise changes we make in the Stage 1 and Stage 2 pcm's). Cars run differently depending on many factors such as the health of their fuel pump, cleaness of their MAF sensor, etc. It would not make sense to tune the A/F ratio without sufficient data. If you'd prefer to make these changes in the PCM's you sell without knowing first what the current A/F ratio is, that's your decision, I just don't need the liability of leaning out the ratio and someone blowing their engine because of it. If the customer wants the A/F ratio perfectly tuned, they can bring it in and we can put it on a dyno, or do a street tune, but without a wideband, you're not going to get perfect results.

Now the MAF is designed to read the amount of incoming air and command the appropriate fuel. And as long as the fuel pump is in good shape and the MAF is clean, and everything is running smoothly, the MAF does an excellent job in adapting to new mods. Most of the time, it's a little bit rich like say 12:1 or maybe fatter, but if i assumed to make the adjustments to put it at the perfect AFR, a car that may not run that rich due to its own circumstances will now be even leaner, and maybe even dangerously lean to create a major detonation problem.

I will agree that the stock AFR isn't perfectly optimal for the most hp, but when I send out a pcm, the car will run at the same ratio as it was with the stock pcm and be just as reliable. A couple hp more isn't worth damaging something when you don't have all the facts.


ummm.. who was talking about changing AFR??? :nono:

its obvious you are cluless as to what I am talking about.. so I will stop before I confuse you further...

[cardude007617]

its obvious you are cluless as to what I am talking about.. so I will stop before I confuse you further...

owned. all i know is i have 0 complaints about my pcm from mark. its great. the car feels so much more sporty and does what i want it to do

[PhantomLover007]

It's a parts manufacturer battle... DING!!! DING!!!!


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LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE........


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[curtpank]

its obvious you are cluless as to what I am talking about.. so I will stop before I confuse you further...

very immature comment for a "professional". You've both made good contributions to the community but you're not going to 'confuse' Milzy with these things - you sound like a child

[stewartfn18]

owned. all i know is i have 0 complaints about my pcm from mark. its great. the car feels so much more sporty and does what i want it to do

x2 thats all im gonna say.

[lvemy3100]

very immature comment for a "professional". You've both made good contributions to the community but you're not going to 'confuse' Milzy with these things - you sound like a child

obviously i did confuse him as he decided he "thought" he knew what I was refering to and went off on a tangent inferring that I am potentially harming my customers cars by making changes to the AFR tables that in reality I dont actually change since I make my changes to other tables that he seems to either feel dont exist or that they arent worht making changes to because according to Milzy the MAF will figure out the changes in airflow so no fueling tables should be touched... ??????? WTF?????

I am far from acting childish about this.. but certainly wont allow the communtiy to be BS'd into thinking that somehow the MAF will figure everything out for me and all will be right with the world....

how about we dwell on this for a bit.. what happens when your heavily modded car has a MAF failure and the MAF can no longer make up the the change in airflow and the other tables in your PCM arent even close to being correct for your mods????

also just for reference... I had 3 of his PCM customers have me flash over their PCMs with my own files as well as 10 DHP customers all of which were extremely happy in the changes they had over their old modded PCMs.

[MilzyZ34]

obviously i did confuse him as he decided he "thought" he knew what I was refering to and went off on a tangent inferring that I am potentially harming my customers cars by making changes to the AFR tables that in reality I dont actually change since I make my changes to other tables that he seems to either feel dont exist or that they arent worht making changes to because according to Milzy the MAF will figure out the changes in airflow so no fueling tables should be touched... ??????? WTF?????

I am far from acting childish about this.. but certainly wont allow the communtiy to be BS'd into thinking that somehow the MAF will figure everything out for me and all will be right with the world....

how about we dwell on this for a bit.. what happens when your heavily modded car has a MAF failure and the MAF can no longer make up the the change in airflow and the other tables in your PCM arent even close to being correct for your mods????

also just for reference... I had 3 of his PCM customers have me flash over their PCMs with my own files as well as 10 DHP customers all of which were extremely happy in the changes they had over their old modded PCMs.

I understand exactly what the Volumetric Efficiency table is, and how it functions in these PCM's, which is precisely the reason I don't change the table. If someone wants me to i will, but VE is very specific to their precise engine setup and other variables, so quite risky to edit without the proper info.

[lvemy3100]

I understand exactly what the Volumetric Efficiency table is, and how it functions in these PCM's, which is precisely the reason I don't change the table. If someone wants me to i will, but VE is very specific to their precise engine setup and other variables, so quite risky to edit without the proper info.



did you even read what I wrote???

while I am glad to see you found the VE table, that is far from being the only other way of adjusting fueling... but I really i dont have the time to sit here and teach you how to do your job correctly nor should I have to point out to you and your customers how little you really know about tuning..

I feel my point was made so I will just stop posting in this thread just like I did before with the oil catch can thread...

[FastlaneV6GT]

I don't think this conversation should continue. Mike believes his PCM is tuned as best as reasonably possible...I can respect him for not wanting to take chances with other peoples' investments.

I can also understand Mark's side...it's cool to get a bit more power out of the car. To me, it does make sense to improve as much as you can.

Instead of fighting about this, let it rest and let consumers have the choice on which one to get. You are both respectable people on this board; let's keep things that way.

[cardude007617]

sorry, but isnt the point of a pcm tune to get more power?

[FastlaneV6GT]

sorry, but isnt the point of a pcm tune to get more power?

Yes, but at what point do you draw the line? That's what this argument has been about.

[cardude007617]

there is, but obviously mark's tunes yield ore performance and at no obvious faults. iv had it for 6 months now.....thru hot and cold, snow and rain, iv had no problems at all.
as long as its safe gains, what the hell ya know?

[FastlaneV6GT]

I have had one from Mark for a couple months now as well; so far, so good. In fact, I didn't know there was that difference between the two when I was shopping around for it. Would it have made a difference? For me, probably not. For someone else, perhaps. That's all i'm saying.

[cardude007617]

nah, im not disagreeing with you, just adding my thoughts to the mix. as much as i freakin hate V-TEKS, i wish we had 1/3 of their aftermarket choice for parts......

[FastlaneV6GT]

nah, im not disagreeing with you, just adding my thoughts to the mix. as much as i freakin hate V-TEKS, i wish we had 1/3 of their aftermarket choice for parts......

Thanks :applause: I know...I agree with you 100%. But hey my old car was a Chevy Beretta. Talk about a lack of aftermarket options! Before I sold it, the only companies that really offered products for them were 60* V6 and Mantapart. A few companies came and went, but generally those were the only two. I for one am glad we have what we have, though. This will probably be my last GM though...gonna go with Subaru or Nissan in the future.

[cardude007617]

ahh come on, stay american dude.

[FastlaneV6GT]

ahh come on, stay american dude.


I used to be all for GM...but they just can't compete with what overseas companies are making now. Nissan's VQ engine is freaking awesome, and the Subaru Legacy 2.5GT is way nice, fast, and has standard AWD. Not to mention both are built in the USA (I know the Subie is...pretty sure about the Nissan too). I'd much rather have a Nissan Murano than a Pontiac Torrent. Better looking, more power, more features.

[cardude007617]

ya i work at a subaru/pontiac/buick dealer and naturally drive subarus all the time. i will admit that i am indeed very impressed by them....the handling is superb and of course the AWD system is amazing on em.
see me id take the torrent, its american and is a little better looking i think. not to mention my parents have one and i like bombing around in it here and there lol

[FastlaneV6GT]

One thing I am very impressed with is Nissan's VQ engine...especially the VQ35DE. They have that 3.5L V6 over 300HP with good fuel economy. That version powers the G35. The G37 (coupe) has around 320 I think. It is the engine of the year for it's engineering and design. I think it's impressive that they got twice the power out of their engine than my engine has stock.

Anyway, I think that's enough off-topic-ness for me. Nice chat, though!

[cardude007617]

thats just due to our engines (3x00's) be simple and "old fashioned" engines. i will admit though, i do love the sound our engines make when you hit it......