Project name CAM

[3x3]

Ok now's the time for everyone who's interested in getting a cam for the Grand AM to step. Currently Comp Cams is backlogged with projects. With the show of thread responses from all of us the project will be bumped up. Dennis at Comp Cam informed me that the show of people requesting this will be sent directly to the manager of marketing so that the cam project can be moved up. This is a good thing so lets try to keep it that way.

As of 2/3/03 Dennis has asked for me to take his email address off. He's received enough emails regarding the cam. Please do not continue to email him even if you happen to still have his email. If there is further pursuit in emailing him it might impact our chances.

From here on and I know this will be a pain but for those who are interested in a cam add to the thread. The additions to the thread will be sent to Dennis through me. Chris will also be doing his part and the good news is that Comp Cams is getting the idea. Good job everyone!! Continue the effort by adding to the thread requesting for a cam.

[Kitt]

i take it this is a call for the NA aspect right? No FI call to arms yet?

[78transam]

A cam install on our cars would be pretty difficult huh? And what kind of cam are we going for? like, what kind of horsepower increase, and over what RPM band, etc?

[3x3]

This is for all 3.4L 99-03 GA's as of right now. It wouldn't be fair for me to say the 2.4L GA also because I just don't know.

NA
Supercharged
Turbo

All welcome to submit an email

[3x3]

I don't know the exact details on an install for the cam.
The cam would be Comp Cams Xtreme line of cam. The horespower, rpm range etc.. aren't available yet.

This is an attempt to get Comp Cams to start the project. Once things get started details on the cams will follow. I hope that helps.

[Kitt]

Well NA Cam specs will be different from FI specs.... thats why im askin

[bszopi]

The installation is at least a 2-3 day job for an experienced person to do themselves. You have to pull the engine to do it. There have been a couple of people that have done it w/o pulling the engine, through the wheelwell. But in all honesty, I think its much less of a hassle to just pull the engine. If you go through the fenderwell, you pretty much have to take apart the passenger side suspension, and then lower the engine to access the cam. And, you are still confined to very tight quarters. With the engine out, everything is nice and simple and there is less of a chance to screw anything up.

Once we get our bandwidth back on the 60degreeV6 site, I''ll post a link to my webpage where I discuss my cam replacement. So then you can get a look at what is involved.

Also, I am going to post this thread on GMForums as well to let more of the 3x00 owners know about it. Cause for everyones info, all 3x00 cams have the same profile. There was a change in the cam sensor pickup around 96/97, but it should be an easy fix.

[GTPprix]

Originally posted by 3x3
I don't know the exact details on an install for the cam.
The cam would be Comp Cams Xtreme line of cam. The horespower, rpm range etc.. aren't available yet.

This is an attempt to get Comp Cams to start the project. Once things get started details on the cams will follow. I hope that helps.

Scratch that LOL had a few wires crossed, they are still waiting for my motor but you guys still need to email, I got a bit messed up.

[3x3]

If this is one of the projects that they'll have underway and Dennis is unware of then that's great. He spoke with the R&D group along with Marketing before he gave me the go ahead to get request started. Could you PM me possible with your contact there so that I can forward that information to Dennis and the other contact that I have. GTPprix I really appreciate your help in this matter.

Also they received the cam from me already. The engine itself will definitely help with the speed of the development.

[GTPprix]

Yeah I goofed a bit, I just talked to Dennis, we had a little mixup :) I Think everything is ok now.

[3x3]

Originally posted by bszopi

Also, I am going to post this thread on GMForums as well to let more of the 3x00 owners know about it. Cause for everyones info, all 3x00 cams have the same profile. There was a change in the cam sensor pickup around 96/97, but it should be an easy fix.

The more the better. Thanks bszopi.

[bszopi]

Here is the link to my cam replacement:

http://www.60degreev6.com/hlperf/Current%20Vehicle/Beretta/Performance/camshaft.htm

If anyone has any questions, or wants to see more pics, just let me know via IM, PM or email.

[Watch4MyBu]

I am definately in being that the 3100 cam is the same as the 3400

[AllMotorgagt]

You guys should get in touch with ultra dyne they made my cam even though it is a prototype they have the specs and ability to make a cam for our cars...with enough support they may mass produce their prototype.

[SinSeven52]

Finally, a cam for a 3x00! Im definetely in! lets move this project up.

[aleroboy]

Originally posted by AllMotorgagt
You guys should get in touch with ultra dyne they made my cam even though it is a prototype they have the specs and ability to make a cam for our cars...with enough support they may mass produce their prototype.

do you have contact info?

[XtreemSix]

i'd like to have a cam :thumbs:

[JohnyG]

Im intrested.

-John

[Kitt]

i still wanna know about weather or not if its a regrind or a whole new cam and if its only gonna be a NA application or is it also gonna have a FI application as well.

[blckgagt]

if its an actual cam, ill definitely get it, im getting my heads done next month, then im getting headers, so it would be good if i can add a cam with that too. Save on installation if i get it done at once

[GPXSS]

just got off the phone with Comp, im looking for springs retainers and locks for our aluminum heads.. the guy i talked to was a general "read out of the book" guy so didnt know anything and they dont have the right locks that we need. (we use round lock notches, everybody else in the free world uses square) We also have 5/16" valve stems, and not 3/8" like the iron heads (or is it 11/32"?) anyway we'd need specific retainers.

What im getting at is we need Comp to make a complete valvetrain line for this engine.. not just a cam, so the guy said he'd talk to the engineer's and get back with me.

ive been using Crane springs for freaking ever and its time to replace them.. ive used stock retainers and locks for long enough, i want aftermarket parts.. dont care if its crane or comp.

(got my regrind from Crane btw... .510" valve lift on exhaust side)

*EDIT* Bump that idea, they called back and basically dont give a ****.. sorry to get hopes up.

[SinSeven52]

*EDIT* Bump that idea, they called back and basically dont give a ****.. sorry to get hopes up. [/B]

What do you mean? They are not interested in making a cam or valvetrain line or whatever?? Are they just gonna say forget it and leave us hanging like that?

Son of a mother...:rage:

[GPXSS]

I dont know about the cam thing,thats not my deal.. but they will not activley pursue parts for the 3.1 or 3100/3400.

BUT, just because they wont, doesnt mean I wont. I have some parts coming from them (valvetrain) from another application that on paper will fit. I will get them in and verify, then they can add these part numbers as fitting 3100/3400's and theyll sell a crapload of them.

[phantom505]

Has anyone submitted a request to CraneCams? If I knew the specs I would. So if you have those shoot. Maybe if a bunch of us did that they might take interest.

wow, they want to know everything.

Here's a link to the request form:

http://www.cranecams.com/lobemaster/camrecstreet.htm

[zerogman]

The real problem with finding a cam for the V6 is from the fact that our factory valve-train is Roller Hydraulic. This requires a much stronger grind for the cam, and no cam from Comp Cams can take a Hydraulic Roller valve-train except for the ones they offer for V8's... The reason you can get one for the Grand Prix is because it's a 90deg V6, and not a 60 deg... I don't know for certain, but I think that the valve-train isn't roller hydraulic on the 3800, but just hydraulic... Anywho, those are my 2 cents... If you replace the cam, you REALLY REALLY should replace the cam bearings as well... the hardest thing about replacing them is that you have to place them in with the punch and make sure they are aligned with the oil holes... They made it to tight to fit your hand in there from the top... can hardly see from the top... Also, replce the 2 inner ones, then the 2 outer ones... they made the ones on the inside slightly smaller so that they would fit around the outter bearings... Ok, I turned that 2 cents into a buck and a quarter...

- Zero

[GTPprix]

Uhhh the 3800 SII cams are hydraulic roller, and they use the same lobes as the smallblock journal cams. The problem with getting a cam made is getting the company that is making them to push off other platforms that consistantly make money for ones that are unproven. The next largest problem is litening to people whine, even after you gave them a tenative launch date. I gave 3x3 the name of the company that I had make the 3800 blanks after I had bought all the overstock from GM powertrain, I think he should be able to finally get them to make the cam afterall :)

[phantom505]

Another thread, back from the dead. Back when I was considering trying to provide Crane with some specs....

[95-GT]

Brad, I am not sure abotu the pickup change you mention, but I went from a 95 3100 to a 2001 3400 w/o any changes needed at all. Wouldnt I need a differant sensor for the new pickup?

[Blackrider]

Another tread, back from the dead. Back when I was considering trying to provide Crane with some specs....

werd, Regrind here I come.

Mr Crower him self did the cam for the Turboed Z24 Project.

[Troublesome Z24]

Count me in on this cam. I want one. I'll have the only LA1 Z24 with a bad ass idle lope

[Gold99HO]

Has anyone submitted a request to CraneCams? If I knew the specs I would. So if you have those shoot. Maybe if a bunch of us did that they might take interest.

wow, they want to know everything.

Here's a link to the request form:

http://www.cranecams.com/lobemaster/camrecstreet.htm

your link didnt work

and yea i would like to have that cam!!

[phantom505]

That link is over a year and a half old. Crane probably moved it somewhere else....

[95-GT]

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=faxForms&type=street

cam recommendation application for street, street/strip, off road, marine

[bszopi]

The pickup design changed, as well as the sensor, but the basics behind the 2 are the same, so the old sensor will still work with the new trigger. Now, when they changed in 02 (or was it 03), its completely different and the old sensor won't work...