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jd99gagt
05-16-2012, 04:17 PM
I was driving my Grand Am today and as goods as it may run or get me around I don't see the enjoyment of driving an automatic anymore. I'm going to continue working on it until it's ready to sell.It really appealed to me when I chose to get it but it gets boring not having to shift.It would also cost way too much for a 5 speed conversion. I had a jetta 2.0 5-speed but it got rear ended and totaled. Regardless I'm gonna stay up to date on these forums no matter what I'm driving but I want a v6 5 speed. I was thinking something like vw vr6. A rear wheel drive would be sick. I was checking out the Hyundai genesis but they're too new and out of my price range. Any other reccomendations?

UndeadGods
05-16-2012, 05:49 PM
Cant go wrong with a G8!
Rear wheel drive + V6/8 + manual 5-6 speed tranny = HEAVEN!

Plus they look like a Grand Am on steroids :)

jd99gagt
05-16-2012, 05:58 PM
yeah, read about it and it sounds superb but way out of my price range. I guess the camaro has a 3.4 and 3.8 but I don't know about weight,still gotta check it out.

chris_gt_74
05-16-2012, 06:08 PM
Cant go wrong with a G8!
Rear wheel drive + V6/8 + manual 5-6 speed tranny = HEAVEN!

Plus they look like a Grand Am on steroids :)

+1 that! I'd love a G8.

03GtinWI
05-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Kinda depends on what your into. My second to last car was a 93 bmw 325I and it was a 2.5 L inline 6, 5 speed. It was fast, reliable, RWD, and a four door and you can find one with a little more miles on it for a reasonable price.

jd99gagt
05-16-2012, 07:16 PM
Beamers are sick.I want something like a 240sx because of mpg's and rwd but all of them that are left are either way built up and too much doe or broken down and rusted. I figure for the price I can have a something nice to get around and play with but not super horrible gas mileage like a v8. I've kind of been led to v6 camaros and mustangs which still don't get great mpg's but this is still my first day thinking about it. I've been thinking about a truck too because new england winters suck but from what I've driven the gear ratios are different and no fun. What about transmission swaps on trucks?If I took a ranger or an s10(v6) is there a transmission I can bolt up to make it racier? I wouldn't be hauling anything more than say the weight of two four whellers or a lawnmower etc.

_HeC_
05-16-2012, 07:39 PM
5spd the GA its not that expensive, can do it with stock J/N body parts

jd99gagt
05-16-2012, 08:04 PM
What does the tranny come out of? or do you have to special order it?

_HeC_
05-16-2012, 08:14 PM
j-body 2000-2002 2200 SFI 2.2
-F23 5spd transmission
-Flywheel
-clutch

grand am/alero 5spd parts
-subframe
-axels
-shifter assembly
-shift cables
-brake pedal
-clutch pedal
-clutch master
-tranny mounts

im in the process of collecting all my parts to 5spd my 99 GT, with the 4cly 5spd subframe you still need to make one mount

locoman99
05-16-2012, 08:14 PM
What does the tranny come out of? or do you have to special order it?

I believe a getrag 282(?) Is the gearbox u need. Jbodies with 2.8 v6s.came out with them...there are a few build threads out.there...just do a search

_HeC_
05-16-2012, 08:18 PM
^thats another option but more difficult IMO and harder to come by the early 90 5spds these days

the way im doing it you pretty much take everything 5spd related from a N-body except for the transmission, flywheel and clutch

jd99gagt
05-16-2012, 08:37 PM
^thats another option but more difficult IMO and harder to come by the early 90 5spds these days

the way im doing it you pretty much take everything 5spd related from a N-body except for the transmission, flywheel and clutch

I believe a getrag 282(?) Is the gearbox u need. Jbodies with 2.8 v6s.came out with them...there are a few build threads out.there...just do a search

So you put a new subframe in place of the one that's already on it, the 2.2l grand am trans., mounts and it all bolts up and is flush with the engine? What about installing the clutch pedal,master cylinder etc..

And do you have anymore details on installing the old school trans out of the 2.8, just ic I could find one at a junkyard.

Also, I know these 3.4 Litres' are rev limited at 4 grand. That may not work well with a 5 speed? Are these engines even engineered to go any higher than that?

_HeC_
05-16-2012, 09:56 PM
you dont need to swap subframes but if you dont you need to make 2 mounts and no NOT the trans from a 2.2 GA... post #9 has listed what you need from the J-body and N-body to do the swap

locoman99
05-17-2012, 01:08 AM
j-body 2000-2002 2200 SFI 2.2
-F23 5spd transmission
-Flywheel
-clutch

grand am/alero 5spd parts
-subframe
-axels
-shifter assembly
-shift cables
-brake pedal
-clutch pedal
-clutch master
-tranny mounts

im in the process of collecting all my parts to 5spd my 99 GT, with the 4cly 5spd subframe you still need to make one mount

Iirc..the pedals, clutch slave cyl, and shifter parts are not specific to the nbody.
The same parts where used on different cars also.
The rev limiter is not set at 4000 rpm..and what diff would it make because you will def need to work on the pcm with a swap, so it could be set where you want it anyhow.

UndeadGods
05-17-2012, 05:14 AM
yeah, read about it and it sounds superb but way out of my price range. I guess the camaro has a 3.4 and 3.8 but I don't know about weight,still gotta check it out.

What is your price range? G8s range (where i live) is 18k to 24k

jd99gagt
05-17-2012, 07:48 AM
Lol uk?It says US right in my info. I live in S. New Hampshire and my price range is about 3k.

UndeadGods
05-17-2012, 08:10 AM
Lol uk?It says US right in my info. I live in S. New Hampshire and my price range is about 3k.

Whops! I dont know where I got the UK from.


For that money you can get a POS car that'll need some work done.
Or maybe you'll have a crazy luck and find a gold mine.

[ChaosweaveR]
05-17-2012, 08:23 AM
The F23 five speed is really meant for use of the L61 and LD9 with the N-body. (the 2.2L Ecotec, and 2.4L Twin Cam engines) the 282 Getrag five speed is better suited for duty with the LA1, this trans is very popular with the 60*V6 J-body, Fiero and Beretta crowd.

I've seen a few five speed LA1 swaps, but they never came to fruition. There's a successful F40 trans swap on this site (the six speed from the G6 GTP, the LZ9's optional trans) but he never could dial out the check engine light issues.

jd99gagt
05-17-2012, 12:20 PM
I just checked that out, pretty amazing how you can delete codes it can come out so good. That would be similar to the 5 speed job correct? A few custom mounts,axles, etc. and the trans bolts up to the engine?

sleepyalero
05-17-2012, 12:25 PM
i would just do a 5 speed in the GA. little custom work, but worth it in the end.

yeah it will just mount to the engine im sure, im in the process of getting a 6 speed in my alero from a g6, that tranny mounts right up to my 3.4L just have to make some custom mounts and make room for a shifter and couple other things.

locoman99
05-17-2012, 12:46 PM
i would just do a 5 speed in the GA. little custom work, but worth it in the end.

yeah it will just mount to the engine im sure, im in the process of getting a 6 speed in my alero from a g6, that tranny mounts right up to my 3.4L just have to make some custom mounts and make room for a shifter and couple other things.

How much longer before you get your car back? I am looking forward to how your car turns out( but i bet not as much as you!)

sleepyalero
05-17-2012, 12:59 PM
im not sure on the date yet, but once i know, you will all hear about it lol. im honestly very eager. its been gone for quite awhile now. :/

_HeC_
05-17-2012, 02:55 PM
Iirc..the pedals, clutch slave cyl, and shifter parts are not specific to the nbody.
The same parts where used on different cars also.
ya i believe you are correct but im not 100% positive and the flywheel is the same for all 2.8/3.1/2.2OHV. if you search www.car-parts.com for a N-body 5spd axle it also lists teh 3x00/auto axle as a option, ive noticed this on a few sites but still trying to confirm

in my area i know of 2 successful F23 Getrags on a 3400/3500 hybrid and a full 3500 in 3rd gen J-bodys, both are slightly modded and doing just great :driving:

not to say the 282 isn't a good or better choice or anything just from my research theres more work involved in the 282 swap and custom axles are needed, atleast i only found info of a 86ish fiero axle working but thats just one side

UndeadGods
05-17-2012, 04:47 PM
i would just do a 5 speed in the GA. little custom work, but worth it in the end.

yeah it will just mount to the engine im sure, im in the process of getting a 6 speed in my alero from a g6, that tranny mounts right up to my 3.4L just have to make some custom mounts and make room for a shifter and couple other things.

So you can ACTUALLY take G6's tranny and drop it in a 3400?
My friend told me about that but I never actually seen/heard anyone try/do it.

Would love to see the outcome!

[ChaosweaveR]
05-17-2012, 05:47 PM
So you can ACTUALLY take G6's tranny and drop it in a 3400?
My friend told me about that but I never actually seen/heard anyone try/do it.

Would love to see the outcome!

The F40 was used on the LZ9, which is a 60*V6 like the LA1. It's been done before.

rocketfast123
05-18-2012, 08:08 AM
So you can ACTUALLY take G6's tranny and drop it in a 3400?
My friend told me about that but I never actually seen/heard anyone try/do it.

Would love to see the outcome!

Their is a person on youtube who swap a f40 in his 1989 Turbo 3800 Buick T-type. :applause:

[ChaosweaveR]
05-18-2012, 08:25 AM
The only downside is the F40 is not a very strong trans in stock form.

slw240sx
05-18-2012, 09:50 AM
I was driving my Grand Am today and as goods as it may run or get me around I don't see the enjoyment of driving an automatic anymore. I'm going to continue working on it until it's ready to sell.It really appealed to me when I chose to get it but it gets boring not having to shift.It would also cost way too much for a 5 speed conversion. I had a jetta 2.0 5-speed but it got rear ended and totaled. Regardless I'm gonna stay up to date on these forums no matter what I'm driving but I want a v6 5 speed. I was thinking something like vw vr6. A rear wheel drive would be sick. I was checking out the Hyundai genesis but they're too new and out of my price range. Any other reccomendations?


used 350Z i think you can get them in the 10-15K range.
awesome 3.5L v6 that can make some decent power NA or turbo. handle decent and can be made into a really good track car.

_HeC_
05-18-2012, 10:02 AM
^great car but i believe the OP mentioned he had roughly $3000 to spend

slw240sx
05-18-2012, 10:55 PM
3K might get you a broken down sr20det swap. or a civic.

jd99gagt
05-19-2012, 09:43 AM
I want to do it but I'd need something else to drive first and a car tent. I'm gonna check around junkyards for old berettas or cavs and see if they've got one. It doesn't seem so hard just time consuming. Once you have the right parts it should be just putting it back together,making some adjustments and weeding out the codes. Where would you mount the new cluth pedal and master cyl.? What about the shifter linkage?

ga2001gt532
06-03-2012, 06:48 AM
i have a 3500 getrag 282 setup

jd99gagt
06-03-2012, 08:13 AM
pics?

ga2001gt532
06-03-2012, 08:54 AM
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu322/ga20015323/1335897671654.jpg
only real proof i have, didnt really take pictures yet.
heres a during the build shot where you can see the getrag 282. 3500 has 3400 upper intake on for now during this winter i will be putting ported manifolds on but havent decided on the heads or cam area yet.
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu322/ga20015323/IMG_20120324_170548.jpg

locoman99
06-03-2012, 11:09 AM
What route are you going for axles?

ga2001gt532
06-03-2012, 11:36 AM
this has been done for a couple of months. i have about 3000 miles on it so far and i used my factory cv on the passenger side with a intermediate shaft. then it was a mix and match cv on the driver side between a outer g6 axle and old centruy inner.

jd99gagt
06-03-2012, 03:06 PM
Nice,thats good info. I've seen a lot of la1/getrag z24s,fieros and berettas on youtube. Might not sell,just look for another smaller 5 speed 4 cylinder.Something good on gas.

sleepyalero
06-03-2012, 04:20 PM
yes, its been done before, theres a how-to one here who did it to his GA. no aleros have had the swap yet.

about the comment it not being very strong. actually, a guy with a 700hp fiero has it and holds fine with all the power. so i dont think ill have a problem honestly.

locoman99
06-03-2012, 04:36 PM
Dbl post..sry

locoman99
06-03-2012, 04:36 PM
yes, its been done before, theres a how-to one here who did it to his GA. no aleros have had the swap yet.

about the comment it not being very strong. actually, a guy with a 700hp fiero has it and holds fine with all the power. so i dont think ill have a problem honestly.

Consider the source...

The f40 has been put behind some pretty stout engines in swaps.. I have not heard of a single one geting broke yet.

ga2001gt532
06-03-2012, 05:30 PM
Is their other ga's with a getrag 282?

sleepyalero
06-03-2012, 09:31 PM
there might be a couple people with v6s that have swapped em.

ga2001gt532
06-04-2012, 11:27 AM
Do you have any info on these cars? I don't know of a running GA with a getrag 282 except mine. Just curious to see pics of how they did it.

silver01GT
06-04-2012, 01:15 PM
yeah, read about it and it sounds superb but way out of my price range. I guess the camaro has a 3.4 and 3.8 but I don't know about weight,still gotta check it out.

3.4 camaros with a 5 speed are still slower than a GA 3.4, just find a cheap LT1/6spd camaro. LS1/6spds are probably out of your price range.

ga2001gt532
06-04-2012, 01:28 PM
What happened to needing a flywheel spacer to make the f40 work? Also with three grand you can easily do this I didn't spend even close to that.

locoman99
06-04-2012, 02:00 PM
What happened to needing a flywheel spacer to make the f40 work? Also with three grand you can easily do this I didn't spend even close to that.

Iirc, you can use the dual mass g6 flywheel or get a spacer.

[ChaosweaveR]
06-04-2012, 02:19 PM
3.4 camaros with a 5 speed are still slower than a GA 3.4, just find a cheap LT1/6spd camaro. LS1/6spds are probably out of your price range.

The older 3.4L V6 (L23) is a 60*V6 like the LA1, but IIRC, the heads and intake are completely different HOWEVER, they are interchangeable, and I've seen the L23 F-body guys do LA1 and LX9 top swaps like we do.

www.fullthrottlev6.com

Good source for GM V6 performance in general, whether it's an F-body, W-body, N-body, 5th gen Zeta Camaro, even the Ford V6'ers (Mustangs, Rangers, Explorers, etc)

A good amount of boosted guys on there with some cool builds.