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DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 01:14 PM
Basically, this thread is going to be a catch-all for any and all questions you may have that is Grand Am related. No question will be deemed too "stupid", nobody will be told to "search", and hopefully, no question will be ignored.

For the newbies, PLEASE use this as your place to ask very general/common questions (what headlight bulb size is needed, what year did they stop making GA's, etc.) You may ask just about any question you want without fear of response from us veterans.

For the veterans.... this is the place where we ALL will play nice. If someone asks one of the questions we've heard 1000 times before... so what? This is where they're allowed to do it. Responses should be helpful and informative- either answering the question or providing a link that has the answer. All of us were there at some point, so let's pay it forward.

Fire away!

DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 01:18 PM
Note: please keep it GA related. Anything else can go in AAG section; thats what its there for.

blckgagt
10-26-2012, 02:59 PM
Here is a "stupid question" for ya. Can i swap a 3800 into my grand am?

DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 03:01 PM
Here is a "stupid question" for ya. Can i swap a 3800 into my grand am?

Knew that was coming, didn't expect it from you. ;)

Short answer- yes, you COULD... but it is far from a direct swap. Many, MANY components of the car would need to be changed out, and a lot of custom fabrication is needed... not to mention custom tuning. Far more cost effective to build the 3400 or either of the 4-bangers to the same power levels.

blckgagt
10-26-2012, 03:06 PM
Well its just one of those common questions you hear. Heck even the shop out here in Knox asked me why i didn't swap the 3800 in.

DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 03:09 PM
Well its just one of those common questions you hear. Heck even the shop out here in Knox asked me why i didn't swap the 3800 in.

Such is life. Most people think the GA and the GP are pretty much the same car with the same motors, and they also assume the GA motors are worthless (I'll let a debate on the effectiveness of the 3400/2.2/2.4 rage in another thread).

TDavis
10-26-2012, 03:20 PM
Can I swap a 3400 into my GAGT?

DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 03:29 PM
Can I swap a 3400 into my GAGT?

The 3400 LA1 came stock in the 99-05 GAGTs.

TDavis
10-26-2012, 03:32 PM
The 3400 LA1 came stock in the 99-05 GAGTs.

I hope you realize I was joking :amraam:

DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 03:36 PM
I hope you realize I was joking :amraam:

Of course I did. But, the spirit of this thread is to answer all questions, no matter how simple, to the best of our abilities. I'll leave side comments to other threads. ;)

2000 GT Coupe
10-26-2012, 03:41 PM
Isn't there also a 3400 or 3.4 something in a Camaro

sleepyalero
10-26-2012, 03:42 PM
you should have made the title "OFFICIAL: Questions you think are to stupid to ask"

but either way it works, i bet this thread will get out of hand on most questions. lol

almost any thread does these days on here hahaha

sleepyalero
10-26-2012, 03:42 PM
Isn't there also a 3400 or 3.4 something in a Camaro

yes there is a 3.4 in the v6 camaros, little different from our 3400s


also: anyone thinking about the 3800 swaps in alero/grand ams, its really not worth the effort.

dlineownzu4life
10-26-2012, 03:57 PM
How much power can a stock transmission handle before getting FUBAR'd

DrFabulous
10-26-2012, 03:58 PM
Isn't there also a 3400 or 3.4 something in a Camaro

3.4 is a DOHC put in Z34 Monte Carlos, Camaros, older GP GTPs, and probably more... totally different motor than the 3400.

sleepyalero
10-26-2012, 08:02 PM
How much power can a stock transmission handle before getting FUBAR'd

tuned right, it can handle quite a bit of power, MMGT1 can vouch on that.

stewartfn18
10-26-2012, 08:11 PM
3.4 is a DOHC put in Z34 Monte Carlos, Camaros, older GP GTPs, and probably more... totally different motor than the 3400.

the 3.4 DOHC and the 3.4 in the f body's are different. the f body has an iron head and is pretty useless when it comes to performance builds with this and the f body platform

2000 GT Coupe
10-26-2012, 08:18 PM
3.4 is a DOHC put in Z34 Monte Carlos, Camaros, older GP GTPs, and probably more... totally different motor than the 3400.

I did realize the 3.4 DOHC was a completely different engine, I was curious if anyone had tried or thought it would work to swap into the grand am?

As with the 3800 With enough money, A Big Fu@king Hammer, cutting torch, and wielder any swap is possible. But the usability and power available anyone think it would be worthwhile?

3800L67GAM
10-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Basically, this thread is going to be a catch-all for any and all questions you may have that is Grand Am related. No question will be deemed too "stupid", nobody will be told to "search", and hopefully, no question will be ignored.

For the newbies, PLEASE use this as your place to ask very general/common questions (what headlight bulb size is needed, what year did they stop making GA's, etc.) You may ask just about any question you want without fear of response from us veterans.

For the veterans.... this is the place where we ALL will play nice. If someone asks one of the questions we've heard 1000 times before... so what? This is where they're allowed to do it. Responses should be helpful and informative- either answering the question or providing a link that has the answer. All of us were there at some point, so let's pay it forward.

Fire away!



Can I swap 3.5L from a maxima into my grand am????????

SikMindz
10-26-2012, 08:43 PM
Can I swap 3.5L from a maxima into my grand am????????

Any thread you've started can also go in this thread.

3800L67GAM
10-26-2012, 08:44 PM
Any thread you've started can also go in this thread.


Thank you I'll start another?

xalteph
10-26-2012, 08:45 PM
How come with these projectors http://www.ebay.com/itm/PONTIAC-GRAND-AM-99-05-HALO-PROJECTOR-HEAD-LIGHTS-LAMPS-PAIR-LEFT-RIGHT-ASSEMBLY-/360480810868?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222001%26algo%3DSIC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D3026903875835173941%26pid%3 D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D350620970394% 26 I get a checkmark pattern on my highs and my lows wont turn on unless my highs are turned on? Also the light from the high and lows look really dim. Could it be from the DRL mod or ALC bypass?

3800L67GAM
10-26-2012, 08:47 PM
How come with these projectors http://www.ebay.com/itm/PONTIAC-GRAND-AM-99-05-HALO-PROJECTOR-HEAD-LIGHTS-LAMPS-PAIR-LEFT-RIGHT-ASSEMBLY-/360480810868?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222001%26algo%3DSIC.CURRENT%26ao%3 D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D3026903875835173941%26pid%3 D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D350620970394% 26 I get a checkmark pattern on my highs and my lows wont turn on unless my highs are turned on? Also the light from the high and lows look really dim. Could it be from the DRL mod or ALC bypass?


Spam bot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dlineownzu4life
10-26-2012, 09:11 PM
Facepalm.
That isn't a spam bot, it was a legitimate question silly goose.

3800L67GAM
10-26-2012, 09:14 PM
Facepalm.
That isn't a spam bot, it was a legitimate question silly goose.


S**** F**** LOl I know i was just joking.

BrittsBen
10-27-2012, 01:28 AM
If after a LIM/Headgasket change my motor violently shakes and surges up and down and begins to smoke on the manifolds exactly how many things did I do wrong? I kept everything in order, maybe I should recheck the torque on the rockers? I will also double check the spark plug wires and connections. Why couldn't the 3.4 have been RWD? There is so little room in between the motor and the firewall lol.

sleepyalero
10-27-2012, 03:11 AM
If after a LIM/Headgasket change my motor violently shakes and surges up and down and begins to smoke on the manifolds exactly how many things did I do wrong? I kept everything in order, maybe I should recheck the torque on the rockers? I will also double check the spark plug wires and connections. Why couldn't the 3.4 have been RWD? There is so little room in between the motor and the firewall lol.
usually if the motor shakes voilently you probably have the spark plugs connected to the coil packs wrong. thats happened to me ONCE. and it shaked very badly.

O1GAGT
10-27-2012, 07:38 AM
Can I run a turbo cam in my N/A 3400 engine?

DrFabulous
10-27-2012, 09:48 AM
I did realize the 3.4 DOHC was a completely different engine, I was curious if anyone had tried or thought it would work to swap into the grand am?

As with the 3800 With enough money, A Big Fu@king Hammer, cutting torch, and wielder any swap is possible. But the usability and power available anyone think it would be worthwhile?

Anything COULD be done... but its not an easy swap. I've been out of the GA game for a little while, but I'm still pretty sure the best way to make power is to build one of the motors that came with the car.

oldschoolguy
10-27-2012, 12:41 PM
can I swap a v8 into my grand am? lol lol

DrFabulous
10-27-2012, 01:08 PM
can I swap a v8 into my grand am? lol lol

You can!

TDavis
10-27-2012, 04:03 PM
How much HP can you get out of a 3400 with just a PCM flash or whatever its called.

3800L67GAM
10-27-2012, 06:09 PM
Can I run a turbo cam in my N/A 3400 engine?

Yes you can

MAC the KNIFE
10-27-2012, 07:16 PM
"Search NOOb"

//thread

geldartb
10-28-2012, 07:00 AM
i want a flomaster and a cai but how do i do it.

sleepyalero
10-28-2012, 07:36 AM
i want a flomaster and a cai but how do i do it.

i dont mess with blowmaster lol jk but really, i dont mess with em.

cai, buy one off ebay, remove stock intake, slap cai on. dont forget to plug in sensors rev and listen to it suck air.

DrFabulous
10-28-2012, 08:49 AM
"Search NOOb"

//thread

:rolleyes:

sleepyalero
10-28-2012, 08:57 AM
How much HP can you get out of a 3400 with just a PCM flash or whatever its called.

stock you may be able to free up like 20ish horsepower?

TDavis
10-28-2012, 11:14 AM
Also, what the hell do the tweeters even do?

bricooper78
10-28-2012, 11:17 AM
tweeters are strictly for high frequencies, they do nothing else, no mid, no low, they're small speakers made for treble

BrittsBen
10-28-2012, 11:47 AM
If the electrial lines to the abs were cut when i got it should I just leave it that way?

bricooper78
10-28-2012, 12:39 PM
If you like seeing the light! lol

they watch traction control too IIRC, so you may want to get some pieces together and patch that up

BrittsBen
10-29-2012, 02:28 PM
I figured regular brakes were better than malfunctioning abs? Not sure why the dude cut em. I tore the engine down to find the wrong spark plugs, no thermostat, warped head. Currently rebuilding but had it apart for a while and having trouble.

Where does the hose on top of the FPR regulator route to? I believe it's a fuel return line, just not sure where the connecting hose for the return would be or where it goes.

TDavis
10-29-2012, 05:24 PM
Are there any Brembo calipers that can be put on a GA?

unchained_01
10-29-2012, 05:34 PM
yes

Wgflatliner
10-29-2012, 05:40 PM
Done my research: the grand am apparently has three levels of trim: SE, GT, and GT1.

From what I've seen, the SE and the GT1 had the steering wheel radio controls.

The GT1 also had a deluxe package which came with leather seats and wrapped steering wheel.

The question: what all color leather trim was available in these cars? And is there anything else needed to swap out the seats from one trim to the next?

bricooper78
10-29-2012, 07:07 PM
SE, SE1(buttons on steering wheel model), GT and GT1(here again, steering wheel buttons)

DrFabulous
10-29-2012, 09:22 PM
The question: what all color leather trim was available in these cars? And is there anything else needed to swap out the seats from one trim to the next?

Tan or Grey.

Super easy swap- I put leather in my GT in about an hour total (full seat replacement, not switching covers). Only thing to double check- coupes have a lever on the back of the front seats to flip the seat forward (for people to get in the back). Sedans do not have that lever.

Wgflatliner
10-29-2012, 09:44 PM
SE, SE1(buttons on steering wheel model), GT and GT1(here again, steering wheel buttons)

I stand corrected. :)

dlineownzu4life
10-29-2012, 10:53 PM
The question: what all color leather trim was available in these cars? And is there anything else needed to swap out the seats from one trim to the next?
The only two interior colors were tan (or beige, whatever you wanna call it) and grey.

Cloth seats of any trim have slightly different foam under the fabric IIRC, so to swap to leather you need the correct foam too.
However, the entire seats should have the same bolt pattern/location allowing you to swap out entire seats of any trim/style relatively easily.

BrittsBen
10-30-2012, 12:02 AM
Where does the hose on top of the FPR regulator route to?
I need someone that has A V6 grand am to look for me. I know it's a fuel return line so where does that line hook up to the canister? Is it the line with the green pressure port on it?

Jake
10-30-2012, 10:08 AM
I am 12 and what is this?

geldartb
10-30-2012, 10:17 AM
I am 12 and what is this?

that's your magic stick lol

DrFabulous
10-30-2012, 10:46 AM
I am 12 and what is this?

The only thread you should have been allowed to post in for the last 5 1/2 years.

Jake
10-30-2012, 05:45 PM
The only thread you should have been allowed to post in for the last 5 1/2 years.

:confused:

DrFabulous
10-30-2012, 06:53 PM
:confused:

:hay:

oldschoolguy
10-30-2012, 10:26 PM
If you like seeing the light! lol

they watch traction control too IIRC, so you may want to get some pieces together and patch that up

That be some funny double speak lol

bricooper78
10-31-2012, 07:16 PM
If the electrial lines to the abs were cut when i got it should I just leave it that way?

this is what i was double speaking, shall i spell it out?


if you do want to keep seeing a service vehicle light, do nothing.

if you want the light to stop coming on, then FIX THE WIRES!


that is all

oldschoolguy
10-31-2012, 07:57 PM
this is what i was double speaking, shall i spell it out?


if you do want to keep seeing a service vehicle light, do nothing.

if you want the light to stop coming on, then FIX THE WIRES!


that is all

but you could take it the other way, and say if the abs fails, and causes you to get in a crash, and get dead, then you might also be seeing the light
lol

bricooper78
10-31-2012, 08:10 PM
oh jeebus chrysler!!!!!!!!!!!!

totally missed that lol

geldartb
11-01-2012, 05:13 AM
but you could take it the other way, and say if the abs fails, and causes you to get in a crash, and get dead, then you might also be seeing the light
lol

but then you wouldn't be sitting behind a computer posting on GAGT.com lol

Wgflatliner
11-03-2012, 09:33 AM
Never mind, found the answer.

Redboneohio
11-03-2012, 01:13 PM
Basically, this thread is going to be a catch-all for any and all questions you may have that is Grand Am related. No question will be deemed too "stupid", nobody will be told to "search", and hopefully, no question will be ignored.

For the newbies, PLEASE use this as your place to ask very general/common questions (what headlight bulb size is needed, what year did they stop making GA's, etc.) You may ask just about any question you want without fear of response from us veterans.

For the veterans.... this is the place where we ALL will play nice. If someone asks one of the questions we've heard 1000 times before... so what? This is where they're allowed to do it. Responses should be helpful and informative- either answering the question or providing a link that has the answer. All of us were there at some point, so let's pay it forward.

Fire away!

Is the 2.4 Twin Cam Altima's the same as the one in a 99-01 Grand am?? :angel

Redboneohio
11-03-2012, 01:18 PM
SE, SE1(buttons on steering wheel model), GT and GT1(here again, steering wheel buttons)

I have a SE1 it have everything but radio buttons on the steering wheel. The SE2 came with the buttons on the steering wheel and gt seats.

TDavis
11-03-2012, 03:16 PM
Will these strut tower braces fit a '00? Says only 03-05. Didn't think there where much difference in the a '00 and the newer models.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042L1PY8/ref=asc_df_B0042L1PY82246984?smid=A3DJQ73ALF5AZ7&tag=dealtmp3888-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B0042L1PY8

burgett2103
11-03-2012, 04:12 PM
Do they make lift kits for the grand am? I want my 26s to fit

Shade2012
11-03-2012, 05:48 PM
Will these strut tower braces fit a '00? Says only 03-05. Didn't think there where much difference in the a '00 and the newer models.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042L1PY8/ref=asc_df_B0042L1PY82246984?smid=A3DJQ73ALF5AZ7&tag=dealtmp3888-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B0042L1PY8

If anything they will only fit the 99-02's right? Thought the 03-05's had the alternator up higher in them. Correct me if I'm wrong somebody.

TDavis
11-03-2012, 06:03 PM
If anything they will only fit the 99-02's right? Thought the 03-05's had the alternator up higher in them. Correct me if I'm wrong somebody.

Thats what I was thinking. I remember someone having a problem putting the front tower brace on because it hit the alternator. I can't remember if he installed it upside down or not.

And if this is for the 03-05s with the higher alternator, assuming it sits higher on the bases to clear the alternator, will installing this clear the inside of my hood?

bricooper78
11-03-2012, 08:54 PM
one of the brands had a notch in it to miss the alternator, but yea that was the difference.


my question is

"How come so many teenagers don't listen? We've been there and broke that, we can help them NOT repeat stupid problems.. WHY, WHY don't they listen????"

*A wise man learns from others' mistakes, a fool, from his own.

stewartfn18
11-03-2012, 09:26 PM
....

AaronGTR
11-04-2012, 07:41 AM
I have a SE1 it have everything but radio buttons on the steering wheel. The SE2 came with the buttons on the steering wheel and gt seats.


Nope, there are no GT or SE seats. There are fabric or leather, and they were available options on any car. They all came with cruise control buttons on the steering wheel, but only the GT1 option package came with radio control buttons on the steering wheel. Not SE2's. ;)

[ChaosweaveR]
11-04-2012, 07:47 AM
Is the 2.4 Twin Cam Altima's the same as the one in a 99-01 Grand am?? :angel

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/Xaus59/random/0D8F6063-C8B4-49C9-A75F-79717737E7E3-187-00000051480044D8.jpg

EJ01GAGT
11-04-2012, 07:52 AM
will 20s fit an 01 GAGT if so what size tire should i use

sleepyalero
11-04-2012, 08:13 AM
im gonna say width 225 or 235 and wall size either a 30 or 35..

never ran 20s, and dont ever plan to.

EJ01GAGT
11-04-2012, 08:49 AM
im gonna say width 225 or 235 and wall size either a 30 or 35..

never ran 20s, and dont ever plan to.

sounds like 20s would suck on a ga? maybe 18s

[ChaosweaveR]
11-04-2012, 08:52 AM
20" just look stupid.

Run a nice set of aggressive offset 18"s. But add low first.

EJ01GAGT
11-04-2012, 08:54 AM
i seen some withe 20s and thy were pretty clean but the car looked lifted idk...

AaronGTR
11-04-2012, 08:55 AM
18's are best, 19's are max. 20's can fit if the wheel offset is right and you use the right size tire, but they look stupid, the ride is terrible, and you risk bending a rim and/or wearing out your wheel bearings/ball joints/etc.

That is 4" bigger than stock. They are heavier and the stock components weren't made to handle that wheel size, and it also hurts acceleration, handling, and braking.

EJ01GAGT
11-04-2012, 08:57 AM
well 18s it is can have a sucky ride

[ChaosweaveR]
11-04-2012, 08:58 AM
18"s ---> low ---> win

EJ01GAGT
11-04-2012, 09:15 AM
was gonna lower it but idk how much life the car has left

AleroB888
11-04-2012, 10:51 AM
Does this exclude questions that you actually know are too stupid to ask?

unchained_01
11-04-2012, 11:18 AM
So when is the mp90 kit going to hit the shelves Greg?

DrFabulous
11-05-2012, 05:42 AM
Does this exclude questions that you actually know are too stupid to ask?

Might as well ask.

sleepyalero
11-05-2012, 06:04 AM
was gonna lower it but idk how much life the car has left

rebuild it.

xalteph
11-15-2012, 02:33 PM
How do you reset the Check Engine Light when you have fixed the problem?

Shade2012
11-15-2012, 02:43 PM
Unhook the battery for about 15 minutes.

TDavis
11-15-2012, 03:33 PM
How do you reset the Check Engine Light when you have fixed the problem?

If it hasn't reset automatically I think you can have a mechanic reset it with his code reader thing.

Gtomike72
11-15-2012, 07:51 PM
My post got closed and Im seriously thinking of converting to rwd, does anyone have an actual parts list or or write up? All searching is pulling up is people talking about it but no answers

TDavis
11-15-2012, 08:12 PM
My post got closed and Im seriously thinking of converting to rwd, does anyone have an actual parts list or or write up? All searching is pulling up is people talking about it but no answers

That is NOT worth the time. Especially since your just going to use it as a DD.

There are no write-ups because its literally a waste of time.

Gtomike72
11-15-2012, 08:44 PM
Waste of time...you are probably right...but to see the looks on people's faces when they see the rear tires burn is priceless! I also have a LS2/6 speed out of a 05 GTO in my engine collection

Gtomike72
11-15-2012, 08:46 PM
As far as the daily driver part...may be retired soon as my dad may be giving me his mid 2000s? Bonniville when he gets a new car

[ChaosweaveR]
11-15-2012, 08:50 PM
Want RWD? Get a RWD car.

/discussion

Save that LS2/T56 for a project. I'd find an early 90's Chevy 1500 2WD Pickup shortbed and make a killer sleeper.

AleroB888
11-15-2012, 08:59 PM
That is NOT worth the time. Especially since your just going to use it as a DD.

There are no write-ups because its literally a waste of time.

Can you flip the engine around and make it rear-engine?

TDavis
11-15-2012, 09:05 PM
Can you flip the engine around and make it rear-engine?

yes

TDavis
11-15-2012, 09:06 PM
Waste of time...you are probably right...but to see the looks on people's faces when they see the rear tires burn is priceless! I also have a LS2/6 speed out of a 05 GTO in my engine collection

I guarantee with most people's knowledge about cars they don't even pay attention and/or know the GA is FWD to begin with.

TDavis
11-15-2012, 09:31 PM
I has question.

Will an 18x8.5 wheel with a 20mm offset on a 225/40/18 tire fit on the GA? :D

[ChaosweaveR]
11-15-2012, 09:54 PM
I has question.

Will an 18x8.5 wheel with a 20mm offset on a 225/40/18 tire fit on the GA? :D

20 offset will really fill out the wheel well nicely.

A 225/40 on a 8.5 wide wheel? I'd run at least a 245/40 tire...but that may sit too tall. I'll check to see how common a 245/35 R18 tire would be.

TDavis
11-15-2012, 11:02 PM
;1194475']20 offset will really fill out the wheel well nicely.

A 225/40 on a 8.5 wide wheel? I'd run at least a 245/40 tire...but that may sit too tall. I'll check to see how common a 245/35 R18 tire would be.

Yeah that the only problem is if the 245 will fit, height wise I think it will since its literally almost identical from the side, top and bottom from a 225/40 tire, just dunno about the width. 245/35 would be nice though seeing as its pretty much identical to 225/40 besides the width of course.

Put them into this site to see the size differences and pretty much the same except the width.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

And then using this for the width purposes. Its apparently 0.7" from sidewall to sidewall bigger then stock. So it will extend inside the wheel well a little under a 3/4" It will stick outside the wheel well an extra 1.3" which I think will be near flush with the fender. BTW random question. Are the front fenders flared more or less or not at all more then the rears?

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

But I've heard with such a low offset on a FWD car it will make the alignment jacked and the car will want to go different ways at high speeds.

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 05:30 AM
That offset might be actually sticking out of the wheel well a bit.

[ChaosweaveR]
11-16-2012, 06:05 AM
The front fenders are flared quite a bit. I don't see 20 offset poking out that much. My ROHs are 38, and there was still room to fill out the wheel well more.

To really make the look right, coilovers may be the way to go, especially to eliminate the strut clearance from the bottom of the spring base on the strut.

I'd still run a 245/35 tire. A 225/40 doesn't sound right on an 8.5" wide wheel.

TDavis
11-16-2012, 08:32 AM
I know someone on here has 255/35/18s on the rear on 18x8s lowered on the same springs as me and has no rubbing issues.

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 08:35 AM
Waste of time...you are probably right...but to see the looks on people's faces when they see the rear tires burn is priceless! I also have a LS2/6 speed out of a 05 GTO in my engine collection

I'd be more impressed with someone that spent the money on just making a GA fast than I would with someone that made a GA RWD. I'd spend that money on building power and then finding a way to get it to the ground.

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 08:36 AM
I know someone on here has 255/35/18s on the rear on 18x8s lowered on the same springs as me and has no rubbing issues.

The rear is rarely the issue, since the fenders flare out so far. It's all about those pesky wheels that turn....

Mike Jung
11-16-2012, 08:38 AM
Questions you think are too stupid to ask...

What happened to Sik's Mom ?

*siksmom*

Gtomike72
11-16-2012, 08:56 AM
We found a replacement for siks mom!

But seriously I do want to do the rwd conversion then possibly the v8 swap

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 09:58 AM
We found a replacement for siks mom!

But seriously I do want to do the rwd conversion then possibly the v8 swap

What's your budget and timeframe?

I'd seriously think that it'd be easier to put a GA body on a RWD car.

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 09:58 AM
Questions you think are too stupid to ask...

What happened to Sik's Mom ?

*siksmom*

lol


:applause:

Shade2012
11-16-2012, 10:08 AM
This is a legit question: How do you put your own videos on the forum? I have one I want to show you guys. Not Youtube videos.

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 10:12 AM
This is a legit question: How do you put your own videos on the forum? I have one I want to show you guys. Not Youtube videos.

Do you have it uploaded somewhere else already? Photobucket, something like that? Because many of those sites have links to post on forums.

Shade2012
11-16-2012, 10:16 AM
Do you have it uploaded somewhere else already? Photobucket, something like that? Because many of those sites have links to post on forums.

Yes to imageshack, but none of the links directly put it in the thread.

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 10:18 AM
Yes to imageshack, but none of the links directly put it in the thread.

Hm. I haven't really used imageshack, sorry. I know photobucket used to imbed pretty well on here back in the day.

Shade2012
11-16-2012, 10:20 AM
hm... I have the embeded code, but not sure what to do with it.

geldartb
11-16-2012, 10:31 AM
What happened to Sik's Mom ?

*siksmom*

she's a little worn out

DJx79x
11-16-2012, 11:08 AM
Has anybody that wants a real sleeper ever thought about ricing out a built car? I mean if you have a car with mad stickers and a fart cannon on it no one will take you seriously but when you smoke them it would be hilarious the downside is you would have to drive a riced out car around but the reactions to beating other ppl would be priceless.

Mike Jung
11-16-2012, 11:18 AM
Has anybody that wants a real sleeper ever thought about ricing out a built car? I mean if you have a car with mad stickers and a fart cannon on it no one will take you seriously but when you smoke them it would be hilarious the downside is you would have to drive a riced out car around but the reactions to beating other ppl would be priceless.
Just, why ?


But there are rolling around some LS powered Miata's

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/canadian-events/47708780d1352239472-champion-ls3-miata-dyno-ron-davey-miata.jpg
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/canadian-events/47708781d1352239472-champion-ls3-miata-dyno-imag0692.jpg
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/canadian-events/47708782d1352239472-champion-ls3-miata-dyno-imag0693.jpg
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/attachments/canadian-events/47708783d1352239472-champion-ls3-miata-dyno-imag0694.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b303/JETZ16/CARS/Miatals32.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b303/JETZ16/CARS/Miatals3.jpg

DrFabulous
11-16-2012, 11:21 AM
Has anybody that wants a real sleeper ever thought about ricing out a built car? I mean if you have a car with mad stickers and a fart cannon on it no one will take you seriously but when you smoke them it would be hilarious the downside is you would have to drive a riced out car around but the reactions to beating other ppl would be priceless.

Aaron's car used to have a huge wing and stickers on it... but was boosted and everything

[ChaosweaveR]
11-16-2012, 02:15 PM
Has anybody that wants a real sleeper ever thought about ricing out a built car? I mean if you have a car with mad stickers and a fart cannon on it no one will take you seriously but when you smoke them it would be hilarious the downside is you would have to drive a riced out car around but the reactions to beating other ppl would be priceless.

No.

oldschoolguy
11-16-2012, 09:29 PM
We found a replacement for siks mom!

But seriously I do want to do the rwd conversion then possibly the v8 swap

but seriously, it would take less fabbing to turn the cabin around, and have a rwd rear engine car :hay:

TDavis
11-16-2012, 11:22 PM
Was looking around at HID sites and searched by bulb type (880) since I'm wanting 3ks for my fogs and this one site came up with a HID kit that was 3k and 25w??

Is there actually HID kits that are 25 watts? Would that makes it less "golden yellow" or more then the 35 wattage kits.

If its actually 25w I would think that would solve the housing/lens melting issue? Would be kinda weird since the factory halogen bulb is 27w.

[ChaosweaveR]
11-17-2012, 07:44 AM
Run yellow halogens. Yellow HIDS never look yellow.

sleepyalero
11-17-2012, 08:25 AM
LS powered miatas are pretty sweet.

TDavis
11-17-2012, 11:24 AM
Yellow halogens will just decrease output and make our stock fogs even more useless. Plus the novelty will wear off after a while.

I'm not technically looking for the actual "golden yellow." The output itself is golden yellow regardless, the look is more yellow then regular halogens so I'm fine with that.

EJ01GAGT
11-17-2012, 04:44 PM
im thinking about repainting my car but im torn between a two toned red and black or repainting it the fatory red how would a two toned GA look

bricooper78
11-17-2012, 06:06 PM
Here, I'll help.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=two+tone+grand+am

geldartb
11-17-2012, 06:34 PM
that silver and black one was probably the best two tone job i have seen

not really a good color combo here plus the rims are ugly as hell
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4789/4561/24472280022_large.jpg

EJ01GAGT
11-17-2012, 06:49 PM
think ill get the factory red redone then add fender stripes

Smithkid21
11-17-2012, 07:12 PM
that silver and black one was probably the best two tone job i have seen

not really a good color combo here plus the rims are ugly as hell
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4789/4561/24472280022_large.jpg

Do you really need the sunstrip that low!!? lol

geldartb
11-18-2012, 06:44 AM
Do you really need the sunstrip that low!!? lol

not my car and i just noticed that now. damn it's like 3/4 down the windshield. not to mention the grand am sticker is like 1/4 the windshield too.

DrFabulous
11-20-2012, 05:23 AM
im thinking about repainting my car but im torn between a two toned red and black or repainting it the fatory red how would a two toned GA look

Does the whole car need to be repainted?

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 05:44 AM
not really i mean mostly the hood from rock chips ant the bumper could use some paint...
i just thought i would repaint the entire car so that it would look alot more even if that makes any sense.

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 05:44 AM
not really i mean mostly the hood from rock chips ant the bumper could use some paint...
i just thought i would repaint the entire car so that it would look alot more even if that makes any sense.

DrFabulous
11-20-2012, 02:41 PM
not really i mean mostly the hood from rock chips ant the bumper could use some paint...
i just thought i would repaint the entire car so that it would look alot more even if that makes any sense.

Are you doing it yourself? If not, then the cost of painting the whole car will likely be out of your budget.

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 02:48 PM
i called a local shop they quoted me 700 which is what is in my price range

DrFabulous
11-20-2012, 02:52 PM
i called a local shop they quoted me 700 which is what is in my price range

$700 to sand down, prep, and paint the whole car? Sounds like Maaco or something. I spent around that just for a front bumper and a fender, and I did all the prep on them. You get what you pay for...

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 02:55 PM
yea idk i might try my luck at a JY for a red hood just dont wanna put rims on with a rock chipped car

DrFabulous
11-20-2012, 03:05 PM
yea idk i might try my luck at a JY for a red hood just dont wanna put rims on with a rock chipped car

Not a bad idea. Keep an eye out on Craigslist and on the forums, you might even come across a SC/T hood. Hell, I sold Coop's silver hood (after I swapped hoods with him) for like $50 or something ridiculous just to get it out of my garage.

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 03:07 PM
damn yea i got alot of time these are spring plans im at $1500 in car/mod savings so who knows...

DrFabulous
11-20-2012, 03:23 PM
damn yea i got alot of time these are spring plans im at $1500 in car/mod savings so who knows...

I'd save at least $1250 of that for repairs/insurance/maintenance.... tires, brakes, emergency fund, etc. Chrome rims and a new hood won't help you much if you don't have the cash to fix your fuel pump when it goes out.

Just giving advice from someone who has been there before ;)

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 03:27 PM
I'd save at least $1250 of that for repairs/insurance/maintenance.... tires, brakes, emergency fund, etc. Chrome rims and a new hood won't help you much if you don't have the cash to fix your fuel pump when it goes out.

Just giving advice from someone who has been there before ;)

true story

DrFabulous
11-20-2012, 03:29 PM
true story

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/216/7nTnr.png

EJ01GAGT
11-20-2012, 03:32 PM
hopefully she holds up fresh oil pan gasket LIM harmonic balancer and seal tires and brakes. ill see what she got left

TDavis
11-21-2012, 10:58 PM
Will a stuffed animal Tails and/or Sonic and band-aids increase my power output?




































http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/2/2d/Trollface_HD.png/618px-Trollface_HD.png

Mike Jung
11-21-2012, 11:02 PM
Will a stuffed animal Tails and/or Sonic and band-aids increase my power output?...
Sure, if you put it on a different car lol

[ChaosweaveR]
11-21-2012, 11:32 PM
Will a stuffed animal Tails and/or Sonic and band-aids increase my power output?


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d102/Xaus59/103043F0-D802-4E6B-A79E-894D078AAB05-3186-0000035F2A77079A.jpg

DrFabulous
11-22-2012, 06:38 AM
:erika:

Lets try to keep at least one thread SLIGHTLY on topic?

TDavis
11-22-2012, 08:40 PM
For anyone who has done the 2-3 A-pillar gauge mod do you have to take any part of the dash out to do the wiring? Or just the A-pillar cover?

TDavis
11-23-2012, 05:53 PM
^Also, adding onto that. Where did you all who got HIDs, regardless of headlight type, put your ballasts'?

I got 3k HIDs for my fogs and if I'm happy with their business I'll get some 5ks for my heads. I most likely will regardless since HIDs in my fogs will dull/drown out my headlights and make them look dim.

xalteph
12-02-2012, 10:50 PM
What exactly does the resonator look like?

[ChaosweaveR]
12-02-2012, 10:59 PM
What exactly does the resonator look like?

A TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBE!

No seriously, a tube.

With baffles.

Baffles, y0.

MAC the KNIFE
12-03-2012, 11:16 AM
What exactly does the resonator look like?

look under the side of the GA. it's right behind the 3-bolt flange. just an enlarged section of pipe.

Kayaus
12-07-2012, 06:50 AM
So the original SC/T was red with a black kit - how do we think a black car with a red kit would look? I was tempted to make this a new topic but felt this was a more deserving place.

geldartb
12-07-2012, 07:04 AM
maybe with a darker red and not something bright like fire truck red.

Kayaus
12-07-2012, 07:16 AM
That's what I was thinking like the Maroon the GA came in I think could look good. Because I want the kit come tax time (if I have anything left) I'm grabbing either the SCT kit off PFYC or a Borla. But the kit I don't know if I'd rather leave it white or do an inverted SCT idea.

thapunisha333
12-19-2012, 10:32 PM
do 12v hid fog lights need a ballast?

TDavis
12-19-2012, 10:52 PM
All HID bulbs use ballast's.

young gun
12-20-2012, 11:11 AM
Will "regular"(duralast cheapys with a warrenty) brake pads cause drilled and slotted rotors (rotorsonline.com From that deal like 2 years ago lol) to make a noise while braking? All I did last time was take a file to the edge of the pads and grease the moving parts back up and it went away for awhile. The problem is back so I just went and got new pads under warrenty..

xalteph
12-31-2012, 06:54 PM
How do you fix the hazard switch instead of replacing it?

klokworx
12-31-2012, 07:55 PM
Have you seen my baseball?

DrFabulous
01-01-2013, 10:29 AM
Have you seen my baseball?

Please take questions like this to another thread... Trying to keep this one somewhat helpful.

Mad Scientist
01-15-2013, 06:53 AM
Hello all, brand new here (but I've been lurking for a while) and boy do I have questions!

2001 GAGT, 129,500 miles. Just got it at an auction, it was a state of California car which seems rather odd but it's true. Went there to buy a 2002 V6 Stratus, ended up with this one instead. I'm beginning to think this is the better car! This thing handles better than even my second gen V6 SHO Taurus did! And no 2.7 24 valve V6 Stratus has this kind of throttle response!

In no particular order:

My traction control seems to allow a good deal of wheel spin on a WOT launch. Is this normal? Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a T.C. system that errors on the side of too little intervention rather than too much intervention like most T.C. systems seem to do. Just wondering if this is normal. I just bought brand new "V" rated tires for the car, just like what it's supposed to have and that helped a little, but not much. (The old "V"s were bald.)

I'm scared to death of this little 4T45E trans. I'm very disappointed that this car has that trans seeing as how 96-98 N bodies came with 4T60s, even smaller engined ones!:amraam: This car will receive mild breathing mods (exhaust, intake) and see some drag strip action to test the results of those mods, as I do with all the cars that I own and drive (I'll link some videos of my other races later), and I'm wondering and worrying about this trans. Just how durable are they? Please be brutally honest! I'm 51 but I drive like a 21 year old. (It's my one vice, I'm allowed one vice!:angel) I need this trans to hold up! I can't stand having to baby a car!

Is there any tell-tale way to tell if this car has already had the LIM gasket replaced? Like maybe the stock gasket edge hanging out of some corner on the engine is one color and the newer improved gasket is another color? I'd obviously like to know if this issue has already been addressed or not on this car.

I have more questions but I need to go for now. I'll be back tonight. Thanks to all who answer the questions I have already posted!
Regards,
Eric

Mad Scientist
01-15-2013, 07:57 AM
I'm back again for a few minutes with another question:

Some N bodies of this generation apparently came with aluminum lower control arms on the front from the factory, but my car doesn't have them. Why? I would think that the most performance oriented car on the N body platform would have the trick arms. What N bodies had them stock?

Wife's gonna be here again for a while, I'll be back tonight with more questions (in the true and intended spirit of this thread).

Thanks again!
Regards,
Eric

geldartb
01-15-2013, 08:06 AM
pretty sure those were only available on the 99 year grand am's.

bricooper78
01-15-2013, 09:12 AM
Traction control doesn't "work" much on dry pavement. Or wet.. Get it in snow and you'll be cussing it like a sailor, I do anyways.

If you're not burning coolant, and you have that many miles, I'd assume your car has had the LIM changed. Losing coolant, and a film that looks like a cappuccino on the bottom of the oil fill cap are a couple of dead giveaways that you are leaking, and coolant is getting into your oil.

The tranny-- sealed for your trouble. Open it up and change filter and fluid. It's still an issue of basic maintenance, for all the threads I've read in here, very very VERY few are about the tranny blowing up, compared to the random million other problems. I think you should be okay with it, just
DO NOT GET A TRANSMISSION FLUSH. EVER. IN ANY CAR.
it's bad for them. Open it up and change it the right way. The pump through the system just stirs a bunch of crap up and kills them.

TDavis
01-15-2013, 09:48 AM
I got a question about cold engines.

Lately its been probably around single digits-10s low over night and when I go to warm up my car in the morning I'll start it and it'll make like a "errrrrrr" noise for like a second on start up. This happens only when the engine is cold because I start it up any other time when its decently warmed up and it doesnt do it.

What could be the problem? If it is a problem.

sleepyalero
01-15-2013, 10:17 AM
Is it like a grinding noise? Most likely the starter, mine does it sometimes. Is it right on start up like turn key hear it crank vroooom errrr?

TDavis
01-15-2013, 10:52 AM
Is it like a grinding noise? Most likely the starter, mine does it sometimes. Is it right on start up like turn key hear it crank vroooom errrr?

Ya kind of like that. Im guessing its not an issue since it only happens when the engine has been sitting overnight in the frezing cold. Every star after that is fine.

WidbyJ
01-15-2013, 11:26 AM
Power steering pump makes that sound with cold/thick fluid....

Smithkid21
01-15-2013, 12:46 PM
I got a question about cold engines.

Lately its been probably around single digits-10s low over night and when I go to warm up my car in the morning I'll start it and it'll make like a "errrrrrr" noise for like a second on start up. This happens only when the engine is cold because I start it up any other time when its decently warmed up and it doesnt do it.

What could be the problem? If it is a problem.

It's the starter. It's a common problem with the GA starters. Every car that comes into my shop always has that same complaint. We replace the starter, boom problem gone.

TDavis
01-15-2013, 01:17 PM
It's the starter. It's a common problem with the GA starters. Every car that comes into my shop always has that same complaint. We replace the starter, boom problem gone.

How much is the starter?

kzulfic
01-15-2013, 01:38 PM
Post a video, I'm almost positive its your powersteering pump. Mine does it too only when It's cold. Your starter would do it no matter the temperature.

strings
01-15-2013, 01:44 PM
Hello :) I have an '03 GAGT, and I want to replace the rear, bumper mounted, backup lamps. Does anyone know how they come off? Do they need to or can they be angled when installing? or does the natural shape of the bumper control the angle of the beam? Thx in advance :)

rocketfast123
01-15-2013, 03:23 PM
Power steering pump makes that sound with cold/thick fluid....

Then the fluid is old and crappy and needs to be changed.

bricooper78
01-15-2013, 05:29 PM
Hello :) I have an '03 GAGT, and I want to replace the rear, bumper mounted, backup lamps. Does anyone know how they come off? Do they need to or can they be angled when installing? or does the natural shape of the bumper control the angle of the beam? Thx in advance :)

There is a single screw/bolt behind it, on the inside part of the bumper, take that out, and it'll come out with a little bumping on the bumper to get it jiggling and moving.

And they pretty well sit where they sit, there is a tab back there and they're all just, well, made to fit one way

Smithkid21
01-15-2013, 06:04 PM
How much is the starter?

It varies really. Up here you can get rebuilt ones for like $40 and brand new ones for about $90-100. It's not thaat bad, just depends which route you wanna go.

kzulfic
01-15-2013, 06:35 PM
Then the fluid is old and crappy and needs to be changed.

Could be, but I replaced mine with an new OEM pump, and had the system flushed. It still does it for a second or two when its real cold.

bricooper78
01-15-2013, 07:19 PM
I know I need to be slapped for asking this, but I seriously can't find that 1 thread that actually gave a good explanation lol

the GMRC-01 harness for the monsoon stereo says it is for "non amplified", as does the 02, that was the OnStar harness iirc.. the GMOS-04 was also an OnStar, but I don't see it saying either amplified system or non-amplified.... omg.

So anyways, I have that 01 monsoon system, and the factory head is just dying, it's going to have to go before long... which danged wiring harness do I need? lol sorry for anyone who gets a migrane!!

TDavis
01-15-2013, 07:40 PM
It varies really. Up here you can get rebuilt ones for like $40 and brand new ones for about $90-100. It's not thaat bad, just depends which route you wanna go.

How efficient are rebuilt ones?

kzulfic
01-15-2013, 07:42 PM
I know I need to be slapped for asking this, but I seriously can't find that 1 thread that actually gave a good explanation lol

the GMRC-01 harness for the monsoon stereo says it is for "non amplified", as does the 02, that was the OnStar harness iirc.. the GMOS-04 was also an OnStar, but I don't see it saying either amplified system or non-amplified.... omg.

So anyways, I have that 01 monsoon system, and the factory head is just dying, it's going to have to go before long... which danged wiring harness do I need? lol sorry for anyone who gets a migrane!!

Haha, don't feel bad I forgot too.

kzulfic
01-15-2013, 07:43 PM
How efficient are rebuilt ones?

Rebuilt ones are fine, but I still think its you PS pump making all the racket.

bricooper78
01-15-2013, 07:47 PM
Well, I found 1 of the threads that had it mapped out to just bypass the stock amp, so I may as well just nab that cmos-01 and do that. Time to get all that factory stuff out of it anyways I suppose, and there is one about to finish on ebay, new in package, for dirt cheap! Have to get all sneaky and try to nab it from someone else :D

kzulfic
01-15-2013, 07:50 PM
Well, I found 1 of the threads that had it mapped out to just bypass the stock amp, so I may as well just nab that cmos-01 and do that. Time to get all that factory stuff out of it anyways I suppose, and there is one about to finish on ebay, new in package, for dirt cheap! Have to get all sneaky and try to nab it from someone else :D

Haha, ninja style, or should I say ninjabread style.

Smithkid21
01-15-2013, 07:50 PM
How efficient are rebuilt ones?

I put one on my 01' GAGT about a three years before I sold it, and my friend owns it now and it still works A-Okay until this day. It's more of personal preference as to what you want to go with. Rebuilt ones sometimes come with a warranty too, pending upon where you get it. It's only like 30 days or something like that, but it's better than nothing.

bricooper78
01-15-2013, 07:53 PM
My starter is a new guts in old casing (refurbished/rebuilt) I got from O'reilly. It's been just finer than a frog hair!



Neeeeenjabread!

Mad Scientist
01-15-2013, 11:44 PM
Thanks Brendan and Cooper!

Another question:
My power driver seat won't raise itself up. Motor spins but nothing happens. Whats wrong? Is it hard to fix? Is this problem common? Are the ones in the J.Y. likely to be bad too? If it's too big a PITA to fix, can I just reach under the seat and somehow spin something to raise it manually? I did a search and all I could find on the subject was a "...the gears are probably bad". Is this true? What are my options if it is? What else could be wrong?

As promised, a few videos of my previous track exploits:
(This first group features my 400E Benz)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-YSBvjvO_4&list=LLKvCYZOS1mA_Z2KBOu0BKDA
(I won this first one because of a quicker reaction time. Awesomely close race!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t28ZYdfrMVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sXi2uvF7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7QYOa0xzW8

My 300E making an M3 really work for it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDtIV-N7dI&list=LLKvCYZOS1mA_Z2KBOu0BKDA

Regards,
Eric

Mad Scientist
01-16-2013, 01:09 AM
This is the original listing for my GAGT at the auction. http://theauctioncompany.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/27/lot/12857/
Don't know how much longer this will be posted since the car is obviously already sold. It's really interesting how this car, which, again, was a state owned car, didn't have "Calif Exempt" plates. Then on top of that, when I went to register it, the state had absolutely NO RECORD of the car! This despite the fact that I was holding paperwork showing that the state had just sold the car! Weird! Must have been some kind of undercover car.

It's really cute how they showed a picture of one of the good back tires when the front two tires were stone faced bald. Don't let the "winning bid $1,100" fool you. By the time that crooked auction house added in all of their nonsense fees the tab was $1,600! Add in two brand new "V" rated tires and registration, and I'm into the car for $1,950. I'm not complaining too loudly though as I could probably get a minimum of $2,500 for the car tomorrow if I wanted to, correct? (That's another question for this thread BTW. Yeah, I was going somewhere with this post.)
Regards,
Eric

Mad Scientist
01-16-2013, 05:25 AM
Another question:
I'm getting conflicting info on the LX9 cranks. Are they forged or not? If not is there still a strength improvement over our 3400 cranks?
Regards,
Eric

sleepyalero
01-16-2013, 06:50 AM
why all these questions? arent you a "mad scientist"? lol just kidding.

only a number of the 3500 cranks are forged, some motors have them forged, others dont. i dont know how to tell other then tearing into a motor and looking at it. I'm also not sure if the 3500 crank will go with the 3400..

yeah you didnt get a terrible deal on your car either, 1100$ for it and a total of 1950 is pretty good.

Mad Scientist
01-17-2013, 12:30 AM
Thanks!

Anybody else know about the forged LX9 cranks? Like what years/applications they can be found in?

That log masquerading as an exhaust manifold in the front of the engine bay is really bothering me, but headers aren't an option for me because of Cali's stringent smog inspections. The LX9's exhaust manifolds look like trick high performance racing pieces by comparison. I did a search "LX9 exhaust manifold swap" that got me nothing. Hasn't anybody done this swap yet? Is there an issue that prevents it? Edit: I just did a broader internet search but still didn't find much. Found this though: http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85766

Anybody have any info about the power driver seat issue that I posted about above?
Regards,
Eric

kzulfic
01-17-2013, 12:38 AM
IIRC, they're a direct bolt on. The block is the same just improved upon, better heads, crank, UIM, LIM, and I believe 9.8:1 compression ratio, compared to the 9.5:1 the LA1 has. there's probably a couple more improvements I'm forgeting, but you get the point.

Best bet is to just swap the LX9 for the LA1, and be done with it.

Mad Scientist
01-17-2013, 06:04 AM
I agree but an engine swap is out of the question right now. Too much on my plate already. Just trying to find some low hanging fruit to pick to improve the performance enough so that this car will be able to continue to hold it's own for a while longer in the road rage wars of So Cal. After I repair the trans in my 400E, finally find a way to permanently fix the constantly reoccurring fuel delivery problems of my 300E, Do some badly needed basic mods to my L67 powered GS Regal (which at this point is barely quicker than the GAGT), fix this power seat in the GAGT, complete our relocation to North Cali, and providing that nothing else bunk happens, THEN we can talk about a LX9 swap. (I'm definitely open to it! I'd also want to do something about that weak kneed little 4T45E too at that point!)
Regards,
Eric

sleepyalero
01-17-2013, 06:10 AM
You have a regal gs? Mmmmm.

TDavis
01-17-2013, 04:54 PM
Started the car up at 6:30 this morning before work and it was pretty much the same conditions that it was when it made the "errrrr" sound and it didn't make the sound this morning when starting it. If it was a bad starter or even the starter wouldn't it always do it after the car has been sitting overnight?

Smithkid21
01-17-2013, 05:21 PM
Started the car up at 6:30 this morning before work and it was pretty much the same conditions that it was when it made the "errrrr" sound and it didn't make the sound this morning when starting it. If it was a bad starter or even the starter wouldn't it always do it after the car has been sitting overnight?

It's the starter solenoid IIRC. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't. It's weird.

kzulfic
01-17-2013, 06:07 PM
Started the car up at 6:30 this morning before work and it was pretty much the same conditions that it was when it made the "errrrr" sound and it didn't make the sound this morning when starting it. If it was a bad starter or even the starter wouldn't it always do it after the car has been sitting overnight?

Yes, it would. It's your PS pump. Nothing is wrong with your car, it just may be time to flush, and replace your fluid.

Mad Scientist
01-18-2013, 12:47 AM
You have a regal gs? Mmmmm.

Yes. It's the "Family's main car" but it's still gonna get modded too. It needs to better my 400E's best E/T of 14.200 if it is to be deemed a worthy replacement.

The GAGT needs to better the 300E's best E/T of 15.925 if it is to be a worthy replacement for that car. (It ought to be able to do that fairly easily.) The 2 Benzes have been great cars, but the years are catching up with them, so they are going to become weekend only cars.

I really do want to eventually do an LX9 swap to the GAGT, and even though I'm not ready to do it yet, I'd still like to be able to quickly tell forged crank LX9s from cast crank LX9s (without actually having to peek inside their oil pans), so that I'll know what LX9 to grab when the right one comes along. I rather grab one a little early and have it ready rather than be in the position of trying to find one in a hurry cause I blew up my LA1. So how does one quickly spot a forged crank LX9? What vehicles are they in?
Regards,
Eric

sleepyalero
01-18-2013, 01:38 AM
you have to tear the motor down to verify i believe i dont think it has markings on the motor

intrigue has the lx9 i believe and sone others idk off hand.

TDavis
01-18-2013, 08:02 AM
Yes, it would. It's your PS pump. Nothing is wrong with your car, it just may be time to flush, and replace your fluid.

Dunno who to believe lol. I've looked around on the internet on other forums and they say its the starter and/or tensioner.

Smithkid21
01-18-2013, 09:43 AM
Post a video. It'll help alot with identifying the exact problem.

geldartb
01-18-2013, 10:05 AM
Started the car up at 6:30 this morning before work and it was pretty much the same conditions that it was when it made the "errrrr" sound and it didn't make the sound this morning when starting it. If it was a bad starter or even the starter wouldn't it always do it after the car has been sitting overnight?

i don't know about the starter. with the one on my subaru it was like russian roulette whether or not it would start or not.

the cold affected it more but it still did the multiple key turns to get the car started when it was in the 40* neighborhood..

also with my starter it would even do the i don't wanna start crap even after the car had been sitting only 4 hours..

Dunno who to believe lol. I've looked around on the internet on other forums and they say its the starter and/or tensioner.
the only thing my tensioner ever did was make the engine sound like i had rod knock. this is even when i started the car after sitting for months in a below freezing garage.

Mad Scientist
01-22-2013, 09:52 PM
Another question. Why do the non-Ram Air, non-bigger diameter exhaust equipped LA1s in the same era mini-vans make 5 more horsepower than the LA1s in our GAGTs do? I understand that our "Ram Air" system isn't the source of big power improvement that Pontiac would have had us believe, but 5 less hp than the mini-van version? Why? What do those mini-vans have that we don't have? I want those 5 horses! That's half of a car length in a 1/4 mile drag race! The first and last races that I posted on the previous page were decided by less distance than that! Where did those 5 horses go?
Regards,
Eric

MAC the KNIFE
01-23-2013, 05:04 AM
what are you talking about? the old brochures from pontiac, which i memorized long before i got my car, said the SE grand am made 170, and the GT's made 175.

and the exhaust diameter on the van wouldn't affect the rating it was given, b/c the HP numbers published are usually from an engine dyno, where the motor isn't hooked up to a restrictive factory tail-pipe.

but for the price, you could just buy a minivan and find out for yourself lol

Mad Scientist
01-23-2013, 08:53 PM
What I am talking about is the fact that the mini-van 3400s of the same time period were rated at 180 hp! The GT has a 1/4 inch larger diameter exhaust system plus the cold ram air system, yet it's still rated at a lower power level than the 3400 in the mini-van. Why?

The engines ARE rated with the exhaust system in place. EVERYTHING is in place when an engine is rated using the "net" method. What you are describing is the old "gross" method that was used by the OEMs prior to 1972.
Regards,
Eric

bricooper78
01-23-2013, 09:02 PM
Um....


Paging Aaron... Paging Aaron, we need an answer lol

stewartfn18
01-23-2013, 09:21 PM
the exhaust manifolds were different.

bricooper78
01-23-2013, 09:27 PM
Okay, you hang with him, you'll have to do lol

headers made a 5hp difference, really? wow.

*first to head to junkyard to look for van exhaust*

stewartfn18
01-23-2013, 09:34 PM
Okay, you hang with him, you'll have to do lol

headers made a 5hp difference, really? wow.

*first to head to junkyard to look for van exhaust*

iirc, yes the manifolds on the vans were less restrictive, only by a small amount. its been answered before for sure here sometime ago. back when this forum was productive. it would take some digging to find it

bricooper78
01-23-2013, 09:44 PM
you didn't see my earlier racial slur about productivity, did you? lol

so then i'm nabbing van exhaust, AND moving to puerto rico so as to avoid winter blend... and learn some spanish, i am apparently lacking in that department as well..

stewartfn18
01-23-2013, 09:47 PM
you didn't see my earlier racial slur about productivity, did you? lol

so then i'm nabbing van exhaust, AND moving to puerto rico so as to avoid winter blend... and learn some spanish, i am apparently lacking in that department as well..

coop, you dont need to move to puerto rico, just move to miami. its the same place anyways. and no i didnt see your racial slur about productivivty

bricooper78
01-23-2013, 10:01 PM
idk where it was, just said productivity was for asians, was more a knock against americans tho, now that i think about it.

one of these days i'll be in daytona, i've always wanted to see that speedway, maybe be down for the 24 hour race, and some speedweeks stuff.

plus i wanna see the lizards everyone always talks about that just wander into houses and are all over the place

stewartfn18
01-23-2013, 10:06 PM
idk where it was, just said productivity was for asians, was more a knock against americans tho, now that i think about it.

one of these days i'll be in daytona, i've always wanted to see that speedway, maybe be down for the 24 hour race, and some speedweeks stuff.

plus i wanna see the lizards everyone always talks about that just wander into houses and are all over the place

im going this weekend....and the lizards, yea they are everywhere

Mad Scientist
01-24-2013, 02:11 AM
Do those lizards look like the one in the insurance company commercials?

I'm working on getting a set of LX9 exhaust manifolds as we speak. Those should be even better than the van manifolds! Combine these with a freer flowing exhaust system and a better cold ram air system and maybe I'll be able to get the low 15s I'm looking for, yes?
Regards,
Eric

drtrdr_716
01-24-2013, 04:26 PM
i have an 01 grand am just bought 6mnt ago or so and it seems that when the fog lights are on they are blinking over bumps and turning, i know this is a short some where in the wiring im just curious to know if anybody has had this issue and if so where abouts to start my search. thanks

TDavis
01-24-2013, 05:48 PM
Do zinc plated rotors not rust like they are advertised?

bricooper78
01-24-2013, 06:50 PM
i have an 01 grand am just bought 6mnt ago or so and it seems that when the fog lights are on they are blinking over bumps and turning, i know this is a short some where in the wiring im just curious to know if anybody has had this issue and if so where abouts to start my search. thanks

You need to start at one end and work your way the back. Wiring problems SUCK, and are hard to track, will make you cuss like any 8 sailors, and you can look at the problem area 3 times and not catch it.

I myself would start at the lights themselves, just turn them on, get under there and start wiggling. *the wires, you can lay there and wiggle if that makes you feel better about doing it however*

Actually, just kind of bend the wire back and forth, the less movement you can make, the better idea of what area you're looking at. A mad wiggle will shake the whole wire, where the bend will be more of an inch or so from your finger in each direction.

Breathe, drink a beer, and just be methodical... Check the grounds while you're down there!

bricooper78
01-24-2013, 06:52 PM
Do zinc plated rotors not rust like they are advertised?

http://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-suspension/501312-zinc-coated-rotors.html
Sounds like a bunch of malarky too me.

TDavis
01-24-2013, 06:55 PM
http://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-suspension/501312-zinc-coated-rotors.html
Sounds like a bunch of malarky too me.

My only worry is rust getting into the slots if I get slotted rotors, but from reading those will stay protected since the pad doesn't not directly touch them.

bricooper78
01-24-2013, 06:59 PM
yea, I see your point. I didn't catch that I guess lol my bad, i wondered why they'd coat rotors in something when the pad would just eat it right back off.

I would think (think anyway) that if they're not being contacted by pad, then it's still covered in zinc, and that should keep it from rusting tho. but understanding the basic premise is all I can offer :heh:

WidbyJ
01-25-2013, 11:16 AM
In most cases the slots in your slotted rotors will get filled with pad dust anyhow and look dark/black most of the time. When cleaned however the plating in the slots should look nice...

TDavis
01-25-2013, 12:03 PM
In most cases the slots in your slotted rotors will get filled with pad dust anyhow and look dark/black most of the time. When cleaned however the plating in the slots should look nice...

Yeah all I care about is that they're not filled with rust because it looks like sht when the rotor itself is clean then the slots have rust in them.

I don't mind them being black but I'll of course clean them every now and then.

DrFabulous
01-25-2013, 05:34 PM
*first to head to junkyard to look for van exhaust*

Only on a Grand Am forum would owners do minivan engine swaps to INCREASE performance lol

bricooper78
01-25-2013, 06:33 PM
lol whatever works man!! any old port in a storm, as my old man says

geldartb
01-25-2013, 06:41 PM
What I am talking about is the fact that the mini-van 3400s of the same time period were rated at 180 hp! The GT has a 1/4 inch larger diameter exhaust system plus the cold ram air system, yet it's still rated at a lower power level than the 3400 in the mini-van. Why?


the ram air setup on these cars was the biggest pile of crap.. you can't have ram air when there are multiple 90* bends before the air ever hits the throttle body.

DrFabulous
01-25-2013, 07:49 PM
the ram air setup on these cars was the biggest pile of crap.. you can't have ram air when there are multiple 90* bends before the air ever hits the throttle body.

$25 Pep Boys Civic intake + filter > "Ram Air" setup

Mad Scientist
01-25-2013, 09:40 PM
Yeah, I'm going to try to improve that situation a bit but I have to be careful and remain as stock looking as possible because anything that doesn't look stock invites undue attention and scrutiny from the smog inspector. This means that anything I do will have to be able to be undone easily every 2 years.

I also want to keep it a COLD air system, and keep it a RAM AIR system. Too many set-ups I see are neither.

I get that that stock "Ram Air" intake system is nothing to write home about, but surely the same can be said for the mini-van's set-up as well, which brings us back to the original question: How can the mini-van's engine be making more horses than the engine in our GAGTs? Do the rest of you concur that it was a difference in the exhaust manifolds?
Regards,
Eric

Mad Scientist
01-26-2013, 05:48 AM
And speaking of exhaust manifolds, as mentioned previously, I want to swap on a set of LX9 exhaust manifolds, since stringent smog regulations out here prevent me from running headers. They are very clearly and obviously an improvement over the LA1 exhaust manifolds. Why are there no write-ups on this swap? Is this a taboo thing? Why?
Regards,
Eric

TDavis
01-26-2013, 07:52 AM
You may be a mad scientist but you drink your lunch when it comes to cars.

TruGreenGAGT
01-26-2013, 09:54 AM
speak of 3.5 swap.
I saw mention that you can take the 6 speed from the G6 and mount it in the GA since it bolts to the 3.4
my question is since the 3.5 bolts to stock trans in the GA, and then 6 speed bolts to the 3.4, is it possible to just swap in the whole 3.5 and auto trans into a GA?

my trans is starting to slip and I was looking into a 3.5 swap and new trans since the motor needs to be pulled to change the trans, just figured it be perfect time for 3.5 swap since its out. but if the G6 trans will work I'd rather just do that then I have a motor and trans with matching miles

kzulfic
01-26-2013, 10:08 AM
speak of 3.5 swap.
I saw mention that you can take the 6 speed from the G6 and mount it in the GA since it bolts to the 3.4
my question is since the 3.5 bolts to stock trans in the GA, and then 6 speed bolts to the 3.4, is it possible to just swap in the whole 3.5 and auto trans into a GA?

my trans is starting to slip and I was looking into a 3.5 swap and new trans since the motor needs to be pulled to change the trans, just figured it be perfect time for 3.5 swap since its out. but if the G6 trans will work I'd rather just do that then I have a motor and trans with matching miles

Yes, the 6 speed will bolt up to the block, but there's a lot more modding to get the trans to work, mount, intermediate axle, different cv's etc.

The LX9 doesn't require to much. You'll need a crank trigger relocate some sensors(can't recall which ones ATM) EGR adapter etc.

You can find everything at milzy's.

TruGreenGAGT
01-26-2013, 10:10 AM
i know about the 3.5 swap.
im curious if the auto trans from the G6 will work in the GA.

kzulfic
01-26-2013, 10:16 AM
i know about the 3.5 swap.
im curious if the auto trans from the G6 will work in the GA.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the manual trans.

TruGreenGAGT
01-26-2013, 10:17 AM
ya no, im curious if the 3.5 and auto trans from the G6 will drop in and work for the GA.
cause if so I'm sure the G6 trans has to be better than the GA

kzulfic
01-26-2013, 10:27 AM
i know about the 3.5 swap.
im curious if the auto trans from the G6 will work in the GA.

ya no, im curious if the 3.5 and auto trans from the G6 will drop in and work for the GA.
cause if so I'm sure the G6 trans has to be better than the GA

Ya, they made 2 different 6 speeds for the G6, the 6T40 and 6T70. I don't think it will just bolt in, but I don't know honestly. Wiring Will probably be the biggest task.

TruGreenGAGT
01-26-2013, 10:34 AM
ya IDK why I posted in here lol

kzulfic
01-26-2013, 10:40 AM
ya IDK why I posted in here lol

Because you had a question you thought was to stupid to ask?

TruGreenGAGT
01-26-2013, 10:45 AM
blah darn you grammar...
ment
ya IDK, why I posted in here...

ya IDK (refering to your previous comment)
why I posted in here (refering to wtf am I thinking)

kzulfic
01-26-2013, 10:56 AM
blah darn you grammar...
ment
ya IDK, why I posted in here...

ya IDK (refering to your previous comment)
why I posted in here (refering to wtf am I thinking)

Ah yes, that biotch grammar.

bricooper78
01-26-2013, 05:44 PM
that question certainly went downhill quickly lol

EJ01GAGT
01-26-2013, 08:23 PM
so my CEL is on P0446 temp gauge doesn't work the fans com on when she starts, The fuel gauge has been on the fritz oh yea and i need an outer tie rod end another glorious day of being a grand am gt owner. Any advice on any of the many problems with my heap.

TDavis
01-26-2013, 09:26 PM
How hard is it to wire up 3 gauges from a 3-pillar pod?

And what are the most useful gauges to use when you don't have a Turbo/SC?

The ones I was thinking of was Oil pressure, Voltmeter, and Oil temp.

TruGreenGAGT
01-26-2013, 09:33 PM
well volts is simple pos and neg
oil pressure i think is a pigtail near the oil pan
and I'd prob do trans temp as oil temp should be about the same as engine temp....
but then again not to sure just guessing

drtrdr_716
01-26-2013, 10:26 PM
right on thanks for the heads up i went out there today to try no luck yet but ill keep looking. agian thanks

TDavis
01-27-2013, 11:09 AM
Is there any simple way to take out the 2 or 3 stage door stop thingy thats in the door hinge that stops the door at certain points?

Dunno if it would be a good thing to take it out but I always liked the cars which you could open at any angle without having to find a stopping position.

Mad Scientist
01-28-2013, 12:40 AM
You may be a mad scientist but you drink your lunch when it comes to cars.

You couldn't be more wrong. I've been at this game since the late 70s and I could school most folks on this site in a lot of car related stuff.

When it comes to LA1s and N-bodies though, yes, I'm a newbie. So please be kind, because we were all newbies at some point.

Can anybody please enlighten me about the LX9 exhaust manifold swap?
Regards,
Eric

TDavis
01-28-2013, 05:58 AM
I was being kind lol

[ChaosweaveR]
01-28-2013, 06:04 AM
You couldn't be more wrong. I've been at this game since the late 70s and I could school most folks on this site in a lot of car related stuff.


No, you wouldn't.

As for the LX9 swap, the LX9's heads, LIM and UIM can work on the LA1's block. The LX9 had a drive by wire throttle body, so you'll need an adapter to run a normal throttle body on there, IIRC.

WOT-Tech.com has all the parts you'll need for the swap and then some.

Mad Scientist
01-28-2013, 06:39 AM
Thanks for the post but I'm only trying to swap the LX9 exhaust manifolds...... nothing else. Just trying to ditch those awful stock LA1 exhaust manifolds for something a little better. Those LX9 exhaust manifolds look fairly decent by comparison. (Stringent smog inspections prevent me from running headers.)

The thing I am most interested in learning is how would one route the exhaust pipe coming off of the front manifold?

I have too many other projects right now to attempt a swap of the whole engine. Maybe later. Just trying to pick some low hanging fruit..... Get this car's acceleration to match it's handling. I'd be happy with uncorrected low 15s in the approx. 3,000 foot D/As that I often have to tolerate at my local track. A low 15 would be good enough to spank the 3.2 Benz of one of my buds who is ridiculing me for getting back into American cars. So this is for a worthy cause!
Regards,
Eric

TruGreenGAGT
01-28-2013, 08:50 AM
you keep bringing up smog....
my uncle has headers and a Borla cat back exhaust on his 03 Z06, he passes just fine
hell even me my car was built in Michigan, sold in Northern Chicago. and I pass Cali smog ever time

Mad Scientist
01-28-2013, 09:54 AM
Headers just jump right out at a smog tech when he opens the hood, and out here, if those headers don't have an "Executive Order Exemption Number", it's an instant flunk. I doubt that anybody supplying headers for N-bodies has gone through the time and expense of getting one of those E.O.E. numbers. Most outfits supplying headers for Z06s have.

Besides, I like the sleeper effect of stock manifolds.

They don't have a problem with cars from out of state unless it's brand new and a person is deliberately buying it out of state to get a car that is built to a less stringent smog standard. A sort of interstate "Gray Market" car if you will. That's not as much of an problem as it was in the late 70s/early 80s, when there was a measurable difference between the performance of Calif market cars vs. 49 state cars. In fact, there were even certain desirable powertrains that weren't even available out here during that time. Trans Ams, for example, lost their genuine Pontiac 400s out here several years before the rest of the country's Trams Ams did. Ours got Oldsmobile 403s instead. While Trans Ams could be purchased with either engine in the rest of the country, we could only get them one way out here. Trans Ams lost their 4 spd option out here during that time period as well.

It's super ironic that both of our GAs are GTs, are both Green, are both 2001s, and we both live in the I.E.!
Regards,
Eric

TruGreenGAGT
01-28-2013, 10:07 AM
I highly doubt a smog check place will flunk you just because they see a pair of headers under the hood...long as you have the correct cat, and muffler the emissions will be no greater than stock.