RSM Warm Air Intake for 3.4

[GroovyGT]

Hey, I saw this on gaupgrades.net the other day, and I was wondering if anyone has it? There's nothing about potential gains from it on RSM's website. You experts have any thoughts on it?

[iceman]

I'd save your money for a cold air intake, there's no point in sucking in warm engine bay air.

[Blackrider]

When ist 30 below zero and you are doing 60KPH there is not such thing as warm engine bay air lol But when summer comes its worthless

[GroovyGT]

So wouldn't even be a step up from the ram air huh?

[iceman]

Originally posted by Blackrider
When ist 30 below zero and you are doing 60KPH there is not such thing as warm engine bay air lol But when summer comes its worthless

I'd have to disagree..

on a 15 degree night I autotapped a GA with a cone sitting on the MAF, when moving the intake temps dipped to about 40-45 degrees, then shot back up to 60+ at idle. My car was about 15 degrees moving, went up to about 20 still. The engine bay is sealed pretty well.

You'd do better off with a stock airbox and a drop-in than a WAI temperature wise.. Sound wise tho, anything besides a stock airbox sounds mean :)

[GroovyGT]

Well, I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but the cone on RSM's is extended away from the center of the bay, it just doesn't curve down into the wheel well like a CAI. I guess you'd still need to be moving the keep the temp down though

[Blackrider]

With the amount of air that comes in when you are doing 60 the filter is cold. But if you stop for more that 10 seconds the heat will overcome the filter. I was being sarcastic. Saying that it has to be very cold out and you moving at a good speed for the filter to even cool off a bit.:thumbs:

but you are right the CIA is the best form of Induction for our cars right now.

[iceman]

Sorry black a little slow today :(

[Blackrider]

LOL No problem dude:thumbs:

[mjhurley1]

I have that intake.http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=97575

[X-ception]

according to gaupgrades that intake costs more than the cold air from apoc.

[GroovyGT]

Hey mjhurley, how do you like it? Was there any change in the feel of the car performance-wise?

[mjhurley1]

Originally posted by GroovyGT
Hey mjhurley, how do you like it? Was there any change in the feel of the car performance-wise?

I cant really say because I did other mods at the same time.
Definatley sounds better though.

[Nikki]

Originally posted by GroovyGT
Hey mjhurley, how do you like it? Was there any change in the feel of the car performance-wise?

I use to have that lol (thanks Mike ;) ) but I do want to add that I did notice a difference in power and sound, it actually sounds louder than the APOC CAI. I didn't know that was a warm air intake tho :confused:

[mjhurley1]

Originally posted by Nikki
thanks Mike ;)

You owe me!!! jk
Your welcome.

[DeuceGT]

i was looking into buying that set-up as well. ( i was inspired by mj, as my PM to him said) but i decided to go with the APOC CAI instead, just because it seems more beneficial, there were no power gains listed on RSMs website. however, there is also a product by Ram Air Technology (ramairtech.com) that is very similar and much less expensive (like 40-50 dollars). but as it was said earlier, the CAI is our best bet for now.

~steve

[Craig99SE2]

I had the RAT (RamAirTech) on mine and then switched to a Civic CAI. Now I am back to a RAT! Yes, the CAI will give you cooler air and theoretically more power. My only complaint about the CAI is cleaning the filter. I had to remove the wheel, fenderwell skirt, then I could get to it. After the first cleaning, I went back to the WAI. I guess I'm just lazy ... :p

FWIW - RAT no longer sells to the public. They do have 1 or 2 intakes left last time I talked to them. When they are gone, that's it! If you do decide to go WAI, get the RAT! Almost identical to the RSM and you save a few bucks!

[GroovyGT]

So Nikki, you did feel an increase in performance? I'm getting the 65mm TB, Ported Upper Intake Manifold, and having heads done eventually, so I thought an intake would be nice first.

I have to agree with Craig, I already know the cleaning of the CAI would drive me nuts, so that leaves me with the stock Ram Air and a WAI. Just wanted to know if the WAI was better than the Ram Air I guess.

[mjhurley1]

Originally posted by GroovyGT
Just wanted to know if the WAI was better than the Ram Air I guess.


I would say a WAI is definatley less restrictive than the stock air box.

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by mjhurley1
I would say a WAI is definatley less restrictive than the stock air box.

I'll second that! If not in surface area of the filter alone, look at the twisted paths the air DOES NOT have to travel through now! Most auto manufacturers make the "pretzel" paths just to keep the noise down.

[Pacman]

you could spend $60 (to the most) at Autozone and pick up the 95 civic intake. that would increase your car's potential (giving you some of the best hp gains from intake), save you a alot of money, and give you the true mean sound of a 3.4

[Chaotic Reality]

Originally posted by mjhurley1
I have that intake.http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=97575

So, your Ram Air isn't even hooked up right? Because I'm looking to do the same thing, I just want a K&N cone instead of a drop-in, but I want to keep the Ram Air, so I have to keep the bottom part of the air filter box and basically sit the cone inside the box...is that right? I think that'd look kinda tacky unfortunately but I'd prefer a cone over a drop in.

-Jon

[CDW00GT]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
So, your Ram Air isn't even hooked up right? Because I'm looking to do the same thing, I just want a K&N cone instead of a drop-in, but I want to keep the Ram Air, so I have to keep the bottom part of the air filter box and basically sit the cone inside the box...is that right? I think that'd look kinda tacky unfortunately but I'd prefer a cone over a drop in.

-Jon

I had the bottom of the airbox in when I first had my cone filter on. Since the Ram Air system isn't really functional anyway I just removed it all completely. Yes it looks much better with the factory airbox completely removed.

[Chaotic Reality]

From the looks of it, not if you want to keep the Ram Air, because the Ram air is connected with the bottom part of the air box, which makes me wonder if a cone is even an effecient filter... But I'm not real positive about this either..

-Jon

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Pacman
you could spend $60 (to the most) at Autozone and pick up the 95 civic intake. that would increase your car's potential (giving you some of the best hp gains from intake), save you a alot of money, and give you the true mean sound of a 3.4

But do yourself a favor and buy a K&N cone to go on the Civic intake! Some of the cones supplied with those "off-brand" parts are pretty bad!

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
From the looks of it, not if you want to keep the Ram Air, because the Ram air is connected with the bottom part of the air box, which makes me wonder if a cone is even an effecient filter... But I'm not real positive about this either..

-Jon

Jon, I would venture to say you'll get more gains from a cone (K&N) filter than you ever would with the Ram Air. It has been discussed here several times and it is more of a marketing ploy than anything else.

[Chaotic Reality]

Wow really? Hmm...I'll have to keep that in mind...so what's this civic intake you're speaking of?? I don't know a whole lot about cars..I know the basics but this is my first opportunity to actually do anything with my car. I hear a K&N cone is around $120 or so, is that right? What size is the cone in the picture? Thanks guys.

-Jon

[CDW00GT]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
Wow really? Hmm...I'll have to keep that in mind...so what's this civic intake you're speaking of?? I don't know a whole lot about cars..I know the basics but this is my first opportunity to actually do anything with my car. I hear a K&N cone is around $120 or so, is that right? What size is the cone in the picture? Thanks guys.

-Jon

The K&N cone for my Spirit R/T was around $50. So I would think around $50 or so.

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
Wow really? Hmm...I'll have to keep that in mind...so what's this civic intake you're speaking of?? I don't know a whole lot about cars..I know the basics but this is my first opportunity to actually do anything with my car. I hear a K&N cone is around $120 or so, is that right? What size is the cone in the picture? Thanks guys.

-Jon

Go to http://www.n-body.net/tech/index.php select 1999-2003 Performance, look at the Cold Air Intake Install. This is the step-by-step pictures of installing it on my SE. The GT would be the same with the addition of removing the Ram Air.

APOC also sells a CAI for our cars (see banner at bottom of page). The 7" cone will fit TIGHTLY ion the bottom of the stock airbox. S&B also makes a nice cone (which I have). You can get part numbers at http://www.gaupgrades.net

A K&N cone would only set ya back about $40. You are thinking of their FIPK kits and they don't make one for us anywayz.

[mjhurley1]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
I hear a K&N cone is around $120 or so, is that right? What size is the cone in the picture? Thanks guys.


The K&N number is RF-1016. $40.00-$50.00.

[Chaotic Reality]

Well shoot, if I'm doing away with the Ram Air, I can do a CAI. :)

-Jon

[Chaotic Reality]

Originally posted by mjhurley1
The K&N number is RF-1016. $40.00-$50.00.

Yeah, I asked my roommate about how much he paid for the filter and he probably told me the price of his whole intake.

-Jon

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
Well shoot, if I'm doing away with the Ram Air, I can do a CAI. :)

-Jon

If you go CAI, I'd recommend APOC's. The Civic is cheaper, but you have to hack the body away to install it.

[Chaotic Reality]

Originally posted by Craig99SE2
If you go CAI, I'd recommend APOC's. The Civic is cheaper, but you have to hack the body away to install it.

Yeah I was taking a look at that link...I don't wanna do that. :/

Thanks for the help. :D

-Jon

[SilverEcstasy]

I'm starting to get mixed suggestions from this.

Mike Hurley, a guy running a gagt with some serious engine mods, prefers the WAI.

And others with less mods (not including some like Craig, and a few others), choose the CAI..

You're not helping my decision here! I am just gazing at RSM, absolutely drooling at the idea of that supercharger. If IrateGT's tranny stays put, I am going to stop spending and save up for that. At 6 psi, I don't think there should be a problem.

Nikki..did you have that WAI at the TDM Dinner? Notice any differences from the stock Ram Air?

Only thing i'm worried about with a WAI is summer. My dad explained to me that, with the WAI, you're going to be sucking in a sh*t load of hot air, and your sensors are going to say its hot, so it'll make my engine run really lean. True?

[shawn2ktats]

yea id like to get some of this info to?

[gagt2002]

I also have the WAI and I think it's great. The CAI is the best choice but a few factors made me choose the WAI. Cleaning is a snap (Lazy - yep), which was a big deciding point for me over the CAI. Sounds great, looks not bad under the hood and definitely an increase in performance (not much, but I noticed some). I guess the problem is with the summer. I didn't have much problems last summer with it. Only when I get caught in a bad traffic jam, I'm a little worried, the temp starts to increase, but most all other times, I'm moving. ;) Just my two cents.

[Craig99SE2]

As gagt2002 said, CAI is better as far as performance. I had a CAI, but got tired of taking the wheel and wheelwell out to clean the filter! I plan on building a "cold air box" as soon as it warms up ... I HATE WINTER! I'm doing a setup similar to the AEM Jeep Wrangler CAI kits. I'll just fab a sheetmetal box with a rubber gasket to seal on the hood and fenderwells. Then I'll keep the end towards the openings into the fenderwell open so fresh air can enter the box via those existing holes. Right now, I am looking at Walmart, Target, etc. for a baking pan with the proper dimensions so I don't have to do a custom fab. I'll post pics when it's done ...

[gagt2002]

Let me know if you do end up getting something put together Craig99SE2. I'd like to see what you come up with. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[jsos431]

I ran my car in the 1/4 with stock ram air and a WAI and I actually went slower but barely slower with the WAI. I ran a 15.5 with the ram air and a jet module but I ran a 15.6 with the WAI and it was the same temperature and the same conditions. I have the CAI on order and I expect it to be much better than both WAI and stock ram air.

[Craig99SE2]

Originally posted by jsos431
I ran my car in the 1/4 with stock ram air and a WAI and I actually went slower but barely slower with the WAI. I ran a 15.5 with the ram air and a jet module but I ran a 15.6 with the WAI and it was the same temperature and the same conditions. I have the CAI on order and I expect it to be much better than both WAI and stock ram air.

Just curious ... was that with stock filter or K&N drop-in?

[jsos431]

I ran the 15.5 with a jet module and a drop in K&N and I ran a 15.6 with a WAI K&N and the jet module.

[Nikki]

Originally posted by MikeNT256
Nikki..did you have that WAI at the TDM Dinner? Notice any differences from the stock Ram Air?

No, I didn't...Its back in Mike's car :) I had it in my old GA...yes I did notice a difference from the stock ram air...both in performance and sound.

And, from what I understood from Mike, with all his engine mods, the WAI would benefit him more than the CAI.

[Licit]

Just wondering from all the WAI users or former users, did you disconnect the negative terminal on the battery before you put just the cone or whatever setup on? I bought a 5 inch cone for $20 from a friend a couple weeks ago and disconnected the negative terminal first. After two weeks now it performs nicely, plus that turbo-like sucking sound above 2500 rpm kicks ace. I have ordered an S&B Quickcold setup with 6 inch cone that is the reverse of the CAI, it comes with a hose you can run down where the CAI metal tube runs, the cone sits up in the airbox area. The big advantages are in the cleaning ease and no chance of weather elements getting to the cone(not that I've seen many on here). Plus if you want you can do what I'm trying and still contain the air from the straight Ram Air tube that comes in also. Someone mentioned fabricating a box out of steel, please post when finished. From talking with others about this the best setup would bring as much air as possible while containing it like an airbox does(also keeping the temp down).

[shawn2ktats]

Originally posted by jsos431
I ran the 15.5 with a jet module and a drop in K&N and I ran a 15.6 with a WAI K&N and the jet module.

how can you say the wai made you slower did you ever think YOU were just slower?

[buzzzam]

Originally posted by MikeNT256
Mike Hurley, a guy running a gagt with some serious engine mods, prefers the WAI.

I'm pretty sure his hood is functional and runs air right to the filter, now we must wait for a conformation.