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MECHANICwannaBE
03-17-2014, 10:59 PM
Hey guys long time no see. I have been doing work on my car. I have a 00 grand am se 2.4.... converting this into a GT style. only because i have too much into a rebuilt engine and honestly i hate the 3.4 engines. Ideas need... I also want to add high flow injectors followed by more performance parts. Please share ideas.

PS: Getting brand new paint in a couple of months... Color ideas... Leaning toward black or gun metal silver.

MECHANICwannaBE
03-17-2014, 11:03 PM
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MECHANICwannaBE
03-17-2014, 11:07 PM
Sorry this is under the hood...

nothing too special custom intake...

99ga
03-17-2014, 11:31 PM
I've always though having an SE converted into a GT with a 4 cylinder its a FAIL lol dont get me wrong just my 02cents, if you hate LA1, swapping an Lx9 is worth the timE & effort. As far as Exterior, your gonna need to get the GT lower rocker panels and door moldings, nice job on the Sct hood, might wanna get an sct spoiler as well, btw i have one FS.

sleepyalero
03-18-2014, 12:10 AM
3400 and 3500 are basically the same engine...


As for you not liking the 3400.. why? Its got so much more power then the 2.4. I hated driving my buddies 2.4 alero. So slow you basically have to gun it to meet up with traffic merging onto highway (70 mph) my 3400 is cake and takes no effort.

Pontiac_guy99
03-18-2014, 01:28 PM
Haha much more progress than me...

But if you want it to be almost a genuine gt, then you will need:

GT front and rear bumpers,
rocker panels (below the door),
door moldings,
black window piece,
quad exhaust,
gt seats (at least the donut headrests),
rear disc brakes,
Gt wheels,
Obviously the 3.4 engine (idk why u dont like it... but to each their own)
Gt transmission (will only work with the 3.4 I think)
Gt speedometer
Different suspension? (Not sure on this one)

That is all off the top of my head... Not trying to rain on your parade, but that's everything about gt's that I know.

ItsMeScottG
03-18-2014, 03:12 PM
Haha much more progress than me...

But if you want it to be almost a genuine gt, then you will need:

GT front and rear bumpers,
rocker panels (below the door),
door moldings,
black window piece,
quad exhaust,
gt seats (at least the donut headrests),
rear disc brakes,
Gt wheels,
Obviously the 3.4 engine (idk why u dont like it... but to each their own)
Gt transmission (will only work with the 3.4 I think)
Gt speedometer
Different suspension? (Not sure on this one)

That is all off the top of my head... Not trying to rain on your parade, but that's everything about gt's that I know.

Suspension is the same on a GT and an SE.

The headrest was an option on these cars, my SE came with the the leather headrest with the hole in the center.

Ajaxus
03-18-2014, 05:23 PM
You forgot the RAM AIR!!

[ChaosweaveR]
03-18-2014, 05:39 PM
Try the better car mod.

Pontiac_guy99
03-18-2014, 05:47 PM
You forgot the RAM AIR!!

It's useless anyways... Right? Just buy a cold air intake.


And Scott - I didn't know that se's came with leather. I thought it was only loaded gt's.

bricooper78
03-18-2014, 05:49 PM
The transmission is geared differently in the GT also, but with a 4 banger that's a moot point.

Aren't the sway bars larger by a bit in the GT? Thought that was a suspension difference

AleroB888
03-18-2014, 05:50 PM
Back-seat backs fold down from the trunk?

[ChaosweaveR]
03-18-2014, 05:55 PM
The transmission is geared differently in the GT also, but with a 4 banger that's a moot point.

Aren't the sway bars larger by a bit in the GT? Thought that was a suspension difference

The suspension is the same, the GT has bigger sway bars.

Yes, the 4T45E has a less aggressive final drive in SE models, whether you have the LA1, LD9 or L61.

bricooper78
03-18-2014, 05:56 PM
it all bolts together, it's part of the suspension IMO lol nit-picky



Oh oh OHOHOHOH!!! the tails don't have stripes on the GT :P

Pontiac_guy99
03-18-2014, 05:56 PM
Back-seat backs fold down from the trunk?

Nope my SE has the 60/40 split bench.

sleepyalero
03-18-2014, 06:13 PM
;1243445']Try the better car mod.

How about no.

ItsMeScottG
03-18-2014, 06:36 PM
;1243451']The suspension is the same, the GT has bigger sway bars.

Yes, the 4T45E has a less aggressive final drive in SE models, whether you have the LA1, LD9 or L61.

Actually GT's and SE's have same thickness sways. GM changed them over the years though from my understanding.

ItsMeScottG
03-18-2014, 06:41 PM
It's useless anyways... Right? Just buy a cold air intake.


And Scott - I didn't know that se's came with leather. I thought it was only loaded gt's.

Mines an SE2. It's got all the premium options.

Ajaxus
03-19-2014, 08:23 AM
It's useless anyways... Right? Just buy a cold air intake.


And Scott - I didn't know that se's came with leather. I thought it was only loaded gt's.

A rocker panel is useless too..jeeze.

AaronGTR
03-19-2014, 10:08 AM
To clear up a little confusion... the V6 SE's and GT's had the same suspension. At least they have the same springs, struts, and sway bars. I had my dad look up the part numbers for me and they were the same. The 4 cyl SE's had different suspension... or different sway bars at least, I forget if the springs were the same or not (it was a long time ago I looked it up). You can always check your RPO codes under the spare tire cover to be sure. If it has FE3 in there it's the sport suspension, and likely has the same parts.

All SE's had a 3.15 final drive ratio compared to the 3.29 in the GT. There was all the obvious body parts, the different muffler (one outlet on the SE vs two on GT), and the SE had a lower mph on the speedometer and a lower speed on the governor as well. GT has black window trim vs chrome on the SE. Both V6 SE and GT had rear disc brakes and your 2.4 SE has drums, so you'd need to do a rear brake conversion (not that hard).

In the end though, the final piece is the engine, and the VIN number (which you can't change) that still will say it's an SE no matter what, so why bother? I'd sell it and buy a real GT. Better car, better engine, less work.

99ga
03-19-2014, 10:32 AM
SE. Both V6 SE and GT had rear disc brakes and your 2.4 SE has drums, so you'd need to do a rear brake conversion (not that hard)
Not all v6 SEs came with rear disc brake ,actually I think all SE's in general came with rear drums instead

ItsMeScottG
03-19-2014, 10:55 AM
Not all v6 SEs came with rear disc brake ,actually I think all SE's in general came with rear drums instead

All SE's came with rear drum brakes. All GT's came with rear disc brakes.


My V6 Grand Am SE2 came with rear drums from factory just like every other SE that's out there.

I converted my SE over to rear disc brakes.

99ga
03-19-2014, 11:09 AM
^yup

AaronGTR
03-19-2014, 04:39 PM
Hmm, I thought it was only the 4 cyl's. Oh well. I haven't worked on a SE in a long time.

ItsMeScottG
03-19-2014, 04:47 PM
Hmm, I thought it was only the 4 cyl's. Oh well. I haven't worked on a SE in a long time.

I was going to do a SE to GT conversion but then I realized that with how OCD I am with my car that it would cost a lot to go through with it. Then I started thinking to myself that I really want to get a RWD car and so I'll be moving on to another platform in the near future. Probably an e46 330i. I just figure that if I'm going to spend all the money I really should get myself into another car that I will enjoy more.

TDavis
03-19-2014, 05:11 PM
I'm sure when someone says SE to GT conversion, they go by the basics, i.e the appearance, not that in detail about final gear ratios and everything.

So yes if you're wanting to go complete, transmission, engine n all then yes it would be cheaper just to have gotten a GT, but just bumpers and side cladding, you can do that with an SE.

sleepyalero
03-19-2014, 06:15 PM
Plus... 2.4 to 3.4 swap is a PITA. I know a guy who did the swap and has numerous issues he can't seem to clear up. Id just trade in for a GT