down pipe would do nada
because headers replace everthing right up to the front of the car so essentially there is no down pipe after headers

Any updates from TOG do they have a guesstimate to when they can send the headers? :D

Production is back logged
rough guess he says is a few weeks.
honestly thats fine because I've still yet to collect from a few people.
as soon as they are finished we will be under way
as soon as they reach the coater I'll let everyone know
and by that time we will close the group buy and everything will be finalized.
If you do not get in on this you may have to wait till the next production run to get TOG headers!

i know people have thier own reasons for not being paid up but i hope at least they are in contact with you aleroboy.

Yeah that really blows when everyone's in on a group buy, and there's like 20 "confirmed" but half don't come up with money. Come on guys just fork up the cash and help everyone out that's paid already!

Now A guy form aleromod wants to cancel.
this has brought up a valad issue.
no cancelations on group buys!!
this screws everyone.
as soon as headers are ready they will be shipped to everyone that has paid.
as soon as I know whats going on with production so will you guys.

Once you pay your in and cant back out
its only fair to everyone else.

You tell 'em Aleroboy. Only makes sense, if you ask me.

I agree with aleroboy, Once you're in, you are in. Cause it is unfair for others who have to wait a long time. Plus think of aleroboy the stress of all these PM's and paperwork, give the guy a break.

If you are still debating about whether to get in on this or not...

Just Do IT!

cause you will appreciate them once they're on! :cool:

glad you guys agree. :)

The headers will ablolutely change the sound of the SLP. However, while your down there you may want to change out the Cat. If your opening the flow, you might want to consider a Random Tech. This is exactly what I went with.

You have to have the Cat cut and welded anyways, why have a restriction?

The exaust will seem a bit raspy, and quite a bit louder.

the cat is not really a restriction
and with the random tech you cut away most of what your paying them for.
a universal will do the same job for way less cash.
but thats just my opnion

A universal will work fine. Are you referring to the ones sold by PFYC? What I have seen is a noticable difference between the stock cat and the R.T.

I just recommended the R.T. due to the fact it has a pretty decent catylist. Never set a DTC yet, and other folks seem to need an O2 simulator due to the catylist not functioning properly. IOW, the cat is a waste of time, and you may as well have welded a straight pipe in its place.

This was just a recommendation to someone with a similar setup. From my expierence thus far, it has worked pretty well. You will gain on the top end, but the loss of back pressure hurts a little on the bottom end (Although my 60' is 2.258) [I also have added in P&P Heads, UIM, LIM & TB along with a few other things]...

The headers are great, however I did not inspect them well before I installed them. There was a pinhole in the weld where the pipes join together and form the down pipe. Although I realized this after the cat was welded and everything was installed. I was not quite willing to remove everything all over again to send them back. I have since plugged the whole, but you may wanna lok them over _before_ you install them.

any updates?

Looks like they will be shipping in september according to TOG.
some people that said they would be in have yet to pay.
if anything changes I'll let you guys know.
oh and this will prolly be the last TOG buy I do so if you want to get them at this price you have to get in on this buy

To add, yes this will be the last group buy they will allow. I sent them an e-mail about a week ago and one of the questions I asked was " Do you normally do group buys and how many have you done?" They informed me that this is one of the first and will be the last. So just to add to Aleroboy's post... This is the LAST Group Buy TOG will allow.

Wow i might just be getting my headers and Cold Air Intake around the same time. Wont that be the hook up!!?

its been a week since the last post.. do we have a date in sept yet? i'm getting very excited to get ahold of them and september is almost here!!

Think these headers are going to arrive sometime before I get rid of my car ???

Come on whoever hasn't paid... $800+ locked up for some of us for months is NOT COOL.

ok John at tog is pushing production to hurry it up.
also he said he will try to get me a heads up when they are almost out of production.
as soon as he lets me know I'll let you guys know

I'll have to include a TOG header coupon to the new owner at this rate.. :(

you can transfer it to somone one else if you get a buyer before htye are ready.
just let me know who I'm shipping to

Im nwe but im down with some discount heads.
mike

you mean headers right?

Any updates John ? Early or late Sept?

no updates yet looks like mid to late according to TOG
I'll call and bug wednesday morning.

LOL 20 sets could have been prototyped since then and now, and now that they "rushed production" nobody's allowed to cry when they leak or don't fit right. Enjoy!

Hahaha...that's awesome. I doubt they'll leak, TOG's known for high quality. Besides, either TOG or John will back you up I'm sure if there's quality problems....John's known for high quality with all of his products. IMO he's got the highest quality stuff out there, hence why there's sometimes a wait.

ok....
They have fit fine in all previous batches so why wouldn't they fit right this time arround?
they are cnc mandrel bent so they are all made the same.
TOG also has other headers going through production ahead of the 3400 ones. this is why its taking so long
I'v only seen one set of TOGs that could of had a leak but they are being replaced for free under warranty so no biggy.

Thats not good, I hope they get these out soon, I am holding out on my engine swap so I can do the headers at the same time.

Oh well, time to go stare at pictures of other peoples TOGs :(

What engine you swapping in/out?

This is what everybody gets for trying to save a few dollars by going with a group purchase.... having to wait to get enough people in on the deal, and have to deal with people dropping out of the deal at the last minute. Just think, if you would have just spent that extra $50 (or whatever it is), you could have had the headers installed for a couple months now!!

oh please, some people havn't had headers since they bought the car in 1999. If they lasted 4 years without headers, I'm pretty sure they can live for a couple more months without them too.

I totally agree. Although my stupid self bought these without cash so now the headers are part of the reason im stuck paying a credit card off thats got me in not the greatest situation, and i have nothing to show for. I can agree with both sides really:cool:

I am not one to talk to about waiting... I waited (with payment complete) for 8 months for the S&S headers, only to find out that they wouldn't fit in my engine bay. I am just referring to the people that continue to bitch and moan about if they are ever going to get the headers that they paid for.

That sux, but I'd say they're worth the wait.

Even if we didn't act on the group buy.. I don't think any of us could have gotten them anyways.. aren't they all sold out? And our production run will be the next available? I dunno I could be wrong, but thats just what I figured.

Tony

I think so
the last set was just recoated for a warranty.

So John have you gotten all the money needed for these from everybody.

nope I'm still waiting on some people
but the group buy will go through either way.

it doesnt matter to me cause im not in on the buy, but its been 4 months, why the heck arent these people coming up with the money. the faster the money, the faster the headers get done.......correct?