Yes, that's right, noone can see that the '03 Cobra performs as well as a Z06. Maybe because it doesn't?? Show me an '03 Cobra that can handle as well as the Vette stock to stock and I'll give in. Hell, try to find a suspension modded '03 Cobra that can do it and I'll give in. Then try and find one that can hand a Z06 it's ass in the 1/4 stock to stock and I'll give in. I'm so tired of this $ per hp crap. When you bought your grandam, did you only look at $ per hp. I hope not cuz you prolly got ripped compared to the allmighty '03 Cobra. :rolleyes:

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Vtec, I think you gave them a 1% margin there... See, it's one thing to be fast, but then to have the handling on top of it... Yeah...

Show us a Mustang that can do BOTH, then we may look up :)

But then they might point out the 1999 Cobra R. But that's just something to laugh at right there. Ford made a N/A engine with 390 hp that couldn't keep up with the regular C5 0-60, in the 1/4, or top speed, and it prolly cost whoever bought one more money than the C5 and it had NO A/C and No radio. I think it may have outhandled the C5 by a little, but later the Z06 would be made which was and still is even faster in all those respects and handles better than the Cobra R.

So Ford's very special limited edition attempt to truely mimic the Vette failed in all ways, price, speed, and handling. And you expect us to believe that the mass produced (well, moreso than the Cobra R) '03 Cobra is better than the Z06 just because it responds better to mods and costs $20,000 less? There's a reason it's less.

Do you think now is the time to bring up the 99 SVT Cobra? :D

oh one thing we never brought up on here is the saleen S281E. considered factory stock as well... just like the ss camaro done outside of fords plant but still a factory tuner car. will outrun a Z06 and handle as well if not better... how about that and a more comparable price to the Z06???? now whatcha gotta say?

But then again....I forgot that this is AMERICA....the home of drag racing, not sissy track racing.

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So, 95, you think the LeMans, or similar sport is for Pussies? Yeah, okay... whatever you say. Pass the crack pipe this way please.

Besides, the Vette has the best of Both worlds.


Oh, and '93, how much would one of those Saleens run?

Cause you know what? Lingenfelter can be considered Factory Option too...

S281- $39,000.
S281E Class- $57,000 - 425 Horsepower.

I am also from MotorCity where dragracing is the biggest thing VTEC and Pan. Out here in Michigan, I dont know one person who likes track racing and everyone loves drag racing. Like in my sub, we have a viper, a 1900 horsepower SuperBee, a 69 Original Shelby Cobra, about 4 mustangs that fo 10's. A 9 second street legal monte carlo and more.

Hmmm... I would take the 03 Cobra over a Z06

I have to bust these out. Factory Freak Cobra: http://www.cybergeorge.net/mustang/500-MTIDyno.mpg

452.9 RWHP
432.8 RWTQ

12.1 @ 119 MPH

http://www.cybergeorge.net/mustang/T...lcartmanHQ.mpg

ZL-1 600 hp / 575 tq

what about that boss mustang a few years ago with the 600+ ci motor... something like 750 hp or so..

95 GT what is done to that Cobra? that is a nice car!

Its just a bone stock cobra. He is pushing about 550 RWHP now with a Magnaflow Catback, Magnaflow Catted X pipe, Nathaniel's Cold Air Kit, Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, Nathaniel's Subframe Connector's, Lightning Upper Blower Pulley

damn!!!! do you know the guy? thats a freak stock ford for sure

So just because I live in Illinois means I heard sheep? Just becasue you live in the Motor City doesn't mean crap. It takes little skill to drag race. Sure you have to have quick reaction times, but that's about it.

It takes a hell of a lot more skill to road race. You have to be able to think ahead, adjust your speed at the last second, judged distances, etc. etc.

by the way Panacea i used to compete in SCCA SoloII in my 88 GT stang... what credentials do you have again?

I'm an Astro Physicist...

What's credentials have to do with anything? I mean, look at Bush... He's president is he not? Just because you have credentials doesn't mean you're fit for the job or know what you're doing :thumbs:

true... but you sit there and say all this stuf about real driving like you know how to do it! when you may be the worst person behind the wheel......... i dunno i am going back to sleep now since i am starting to even confuse myself! lol

It doesn't take an Astro Physicist to know that it's more difficult to go around curves than it is to go in a straight line.

If you don't believe me than ask Matt Fuller... He road races all the time, and well, I'm pretty sure he'll agree w/me.

i never said it wasnt harder............

If I had my choice of a Cobra or Vette, I'd take the vette. All for the simple reason of the interior. The vette's interior is designed far better (IMO) over the mustang's.

What you Ford people like to overlook is the 2002 35th anniversary F-bodies that run as fast if not faster than the new Cobra. They do this with a 45 HP less than the Cobra and naturally aspirated.

You brought up a Mach 1 that was 600HP, well we can bring up the ZL1 Camaro w/an 8.4L making 770HP and 683 lb/ft. You wanna bring in the Saleen, well what about Berger Camaros w/ 380hp & 400 lb/ft tq (runs low 12's easily); or the Mecham F-bodies that can be had in engines from the LS1 to the 6.5L engine. These are cars that can be bought at a dealership w/all the warraties etc.

check this one out w/442 HP from an LS1 and under $20000. http://adcache.collectorcartraderonl...6/48755666.htm

Buy your $35000 Cobra, but when a stock engined naturally aspirated F-body (not necessarily an SS or WS6) out runs you with a $500 mod ( the cost of a rear gear + installation) then you'll understand. Think about it. There are Z28's and Formulas running low 13's w/2.73 gears and an automatic. These are cars rated at 60 HP LESS than your vaunted 390 HP supercharged all so wonderful super fast dual overhead cammed hi-tek modular engine that are going to be hanging with you if not out running you.

Anyone remember the Mustang II, or was that a Pinto GT or something? There has yet to be a GM pony car THAT ugly.

As for this being America and the home a drag racing, it is also the home of NASCAR, which just so happens to be the most watched motorsport. Still think top speed and handling doesn't matter to Americans? As for one taking more skill than the other, I'd disagree. It's apples and oranges. You try driving a topfuel rail with those bicycle tires to steer in a straight line in under 5 sec at over 300 mph w/out lifting the front end or lighting it up on the take off or red lining. Both racing types require certain skills.

Like i said also, i am from Motorcity...where we all here LOVE drag racing.

how about the Saleen SR? the only thing is the price 150G's. i will get performance times tomarrow








ALL-NEW 2002 SALEEN SR PROVIDES ULTIMATE PERFORMANCE

SR Blends High Performance With Race Technology

The 2002 SR from Saleen takes "street performance" to its ultimate.

With an energizing 505 horsepower from its 5.8 liter Saleen Centrifugal Supercharged V-8 engine and a Saleen Racecraft designed independent rear suspension, the SR takes curves with the same force as it does straightaways.

"We've used our racing experience on the track and adapted this technology in the engineering of the SR to create the ultimate street performance vehicle," said Steve Saleen, president and founder of Saleen Inc. "The SR goes from 0-60 mph 'very quickly' and hits a quarter mile speed 'very fast.'"

The 2002 SR is highlighted by Saleen's 5.8-liter Ford-based engine producing 505 hp and 500 lbs of torque mated to a Saleen six-speed transmission. A custom Saleen drive shaft leads to an IRS differential system at a gear ratio of 3.55:1. Braking is through 14.4" front rotors with four-piston calipers. Rear brakes are 13.0" metallic discs with four-piston calipers. Unibody construction features a complete roll cage and suspension reinforcement system. A refined Saleen Racecraft suspension includes independent uneven length double wishbones with Saleen N2 triple adjustable shocks and adjustable sway bars in the front and a Saleen-designed push-pull Independent rear suspension. The SR also includes power assisted rack and pinion steering. Additional features include race inspired seats and a white instrument gauge cluster with a 200 mph speedometer.

The Saleen SR boasts exterior aerodynamic refinements beyond the base complete body panels of the Saleen S281, including a specialty-designed composite hood, composite rear bodywork and underbody tunnel. The SR was wind-tunnel tuned at Lockheed-Martin's full-size tunnel in Marietta, Georgia. The SR comes standard with 18" wheels and Pirelli P-Zero tires. Every body part is unique to the Saleen SR, with the exception of the windows.

The Saleen SR is available as a coupe only. The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000. Like all Saleen vehicles, the 2002 SR is available only at Saleen Certified Ford Dealers nationwide.

Saleen manufacturing facilities include complete research, engineering, design and assembly capability. The Saleen SR meets all the same Federal government regulations as those of large automobile manufacturers, and come with a full factory warranty.

Since the company's inception in 1984, Saleen has produced over 9,000 vehicles, more than any other specialty manufacturer. The company's line includes Saleen Mustangs, and Saleen Performance Parts - a complete line of performance and appearance products for Mustangs.

John Lingenfelter. Nuff said.

That's what I'm saying VTec, what's up with Ford and their numbers? $150,000 for 505 HP... You know what? I'll just spend that and get the Lingenfelter TT 800HP Corvette, with supsension mods, etc. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, and (I BELIEVE) a 1/4 of 9-10 seconds... Nuff said!

There are videos of it going in the 1/4 at 8.98 I believe. Dunno what kind of tires tho.

Meh, haven't seen that one. Just saw the segment on Motor Trend. But it'll kick that saleen's arse, no doubt about it.

For $150G you could get a Hennessey Motorsports Viper (Venom 500 or 600). They even have the Venom 1000 that can pump out 1123 RWHP. :wow:

http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/...?cart=BhirxRtD

that Hennessey is bad a$$ my old boss trade his venom 750 for a Diablo SV........ dumb a$$!

by the way there is one running around my hometown that was done by hennessey it has something like 850 horse then he went and put a 250 HP NOS kit on it.... awesome. its never been to the track but he loves messing with impo's especially RX7's and Supra TT's

Alot of which car you prefer comes down to what you like, and whether you are cheap like me. I honestly place a lower price over how the interior looks and suspension/steering performance. I mean Car and Driver dubbed the SVT a great car for someone that wants nice straight line speed. They probably should have mentioned that it also can be geared towards tight wads like myself that pinch pennies. And I would love an F-body, one of the nicest looking cars in my opinion is the WS-6 Firebird, I can't stop drooling over the hood design. I only have GM to thank that I can't buy one new any longer. The prices on used ones in Auto Trader are a little steep for the mileage usually. My biggest problem is that I was quoted a higher insurance price for an '00 Firebird than an '03 SVT Mustang. My insurance is through a private company so I can't say what another company would do, but thats a factor. On the issue of drag vs circuit racing they are quite different like Greed4Speed said. My personal high is way better though when I launch just right and accelerate at near perfect in a straight line. That's me, others may get their better buzz hitting the apex of a corner just right and coming out hard.

BENCH RACING IS GHEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



From my personal experience....(about 20 times at the track).....it seems that mustang owners have the hardest time pulling the 1/4 numbers that are expected of them. It's easy to say that a mustang SHOULD be in the 12's...it's another thing to ACTUALLY run it. Just tonight I saw mustangs with bolt-on's galore (even an '03 cobra) and a s/c '01 GT (most with drag's).........none of them broke into the 12's. On the other hand.......I saw a new stock Z-O6 run a 12.7 on street tires.

very good point Lash..... the car is only as fast as the driver, as well as its traction limits.

Why the hell is everything about straight line performance? How often do you seriously need that kind of crap anyways? You buy a car for everything it has to offer. The Corvette simply looks better, handles great, has some decent speed, has prestige, and EVERYONE turns to look at one. Most people wouldn't even care if a Cobra drove by because it resembles the crappy Mustangs too much. If you are paying that much money to drive in a straight line for about 12 seconds, and you are sacrificing everything else for it, that is when you know you are making stupid purchases and you are throwing your money around.

Ok, now you say its a crappy mustang....when I've seen more vettes broken down in my area then stangs. I dont look at any vettes, cause i personally think they are ugly. And i loved watching the one get spanked all over the road by a svt earlier today...had to have about a 20 car lenth's on him. And plus with a stang, you can sit 2 more people then a corvette. You also say it looks better, but then again, it doesnt to me. Thats YOUR opinion and your implying that it overall looks better then the SVT for everyone. Go over to a mustang forums and tell them that...they will all say the svt is nicer - because your on a ford forum and not a gm forum. And how are you throwing your money around? You save $20k when you buy a mustang over a z06.