nitrous is for vaginas...







just kidding :slayer seriously, you guys gotta take a chill pill.

Ok....let's not elect Pace for senate. his opinions are outragious!

only those with v8's or high horsepower stock cars can be enthusiasts!!! whatever.... go tell that to the 8 billion honda owners and acura's!! i saw one yesterday runnin 12's! with a turbo!

i am sure grand am's will be in the low 13's...... heck you were one of the first to hit 13's period..... time will tell while the market keeps opening up with options and products!

350 Z's are a much more desired "sports car"...that is why it has 285 horses and mucho aftermarket...the Grand Am is just a slow developer!

thanks

you are right... the G35 looks much nicer. and has more power.


i used to be MikeDog on this forum.... i changed it when i lost my password etc....

and i have been around since 2001 or 2002...i am not a noobie! thanks

I'm chill.....just a friendly debate.

I guess I'm just getting old and sick of having to tweak this and that to be fast. My next car won't be one that I have to build if I want it to be fast......It will be one that I will have to build if I want it to be OUTRAGEOUSLY fast :)

And don't worry. I have never been one to fish for popularity points....but I guess thats obvious :)

I'd do you IDB....but what do I know.

Thank god you live far away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

You mean all those sweet nothings you whispered in my ear were.....nothing?! FINE

Don't hate, just cuz I hit it and quit it.

*jumps off clilff* :duh:

most on-topic discussion ever

"You're running high 14's"

That's what you lied about, among other unfounded criticisms, like saying I didn't pull 264HP at the wheels when I have evidence and offer witnesses.

I have more projects that I helped work on than you ever have. Turbo kit, upgraded transmission with a limited slip, working on the mounts and limiters still. I worked with FDP on doing one of their first sets of heads with the LS1 springs.

In the future, I have another improvement to the turbo (not with HPP) in the works. You are nothing to me, I only dispel your lies and accusations. I have more suspension stuff in mind too.

Just because you were on this site longer you had your GA longer and you can't hold a candle to what I have done with this platform. No you don't have any more say on this board over me or anyone else. You didn't help develop anything as far as I know. I don't consider you have a good 1/4 slip as making you an expert of anything other than trash talk.

I haven't seen your dyno slips yet. As matter of fact I haven't even seen a track slip. Who watched you run? Was someone there I can talk to verify that you indeed did the run? See, it's easy to poke holes in stuff. I just assume you are telling the truth unless you have reason to believe otherwise. You think me having a time slip will prove or disprove anything if you don't want to believe it? Point is when I do get slips, it still means nothing to me. Dynos mean more right now because we don't put down enough power to worry about the other items that makes your car just a hair faster, ie weight, suspension, wheel and tires, and so on.

I this, I that. I agree with what you said and congratulations for all you've done, but get off your throne . There are a few that have done just as much with this platform than you, I don't see them parading around here all the time looking for pats on the back and continuing a ****ing contest on the internet

500th post under this username! whooptie doo doo!
 

by the way.... who is the first aftermarket performance company to introduce a turbo for the Grand Am???

who got this started??? so who does deserve a "thank you for your effort and contribution"????

seems like everyone here gives guys like Irate, Spaz, Jaketuff, Aleroboy (John) and other long time users/(MODERATORS) a lot of props and recognition....but i have heard lots of negative talk about others....

(and by the way...the way.... i know the others dont put on gloves everytime someone makes a negative comment like Phantom) but maybe a little appreciation would go a long way, it might just help put a little muzzle on the defensive side of things from him......

I give him mad props..... sorry for the insult but it is true about the muzzle... you need one man! lol

And how many are attacked as viciously as I am. I am constantly challenged by Pace, 95GT, Doug, and now YOU to name a few. If you'll notice I never start these tangents. I have no reason to. I answered his question, then everyone piled on. Why should I get attacked for honestly answering questions? I finish these arguements, I don't let misinformation out. In the other thread I responded because seeing as I am the one that helped them I thought I should straighten him out. I sound like a broken record here, but maybe one day people will take a hint.

The people that have done work on this car are the ones that inspired me to go out and find projects and companies that will work with us. For better or for worse aleroboy (John, APoC) was the source of most of it. And he gets attacked from time to time also. See a trend here? He defends himself. I've taken a lot of heat lately, and that's fine. But you tell me that I shouldn't, that is a load of horse**** and you know it. I've told John many times in the past how grateful I was for his efforts. Lately I've been a little harsh, but that's because we didn't see eye to eye on the whole SC vs. Turbo thing. ;)

BTW, don't bother worrying about assisting me on the limiters. I'll have the shop rent a car if necessary. We were going to generously compensate whoever was willing to help, but now I'm thinking that generosity and kindness gets me nothing but flames (and I'm not suppose to attack back or defend, I'm suppose to just take it right?).


These boards are no source for encouragement for anyone. I don't look for that here anymore. People get bigger props for installing headers than I do for busting my ass and spending hard cash to get better and better stuff you all of you ingrates.

Why don't you start worrying about the jerks that start these flames instead of me? Huh? I you put out the match before the fire starts then you won't have to listen to me gripe, bitch, and moan. If I have the mods assurance that outright lies and attacks will be delt with accordingly, then I will have nothing more to say.

WTF. I think all of you have it a little backwards. Go back and read how every one of these fights starts. Someone attacks ME. Not the other way around. I think you need to look a little closer at who starts this. Just because I put on a much stronger and harder fight and get MY ATTACKERS on the DEFENSE doesn't mean I STARTED it.

The first company to offer a turbo for the Grand Am was ITS. Though the project went to ****, they were the first company.

I HOPE THAT 1ST LONG SPILL WAS NOT DIRECTED TOWARD ME.... IF SO YOU DONT TAKE APPRECIATION WELL AT ALL?

and this one may be justified... maybe they do jump on you.... but man... i gotta say you defend yourself well.... but you might be a little ****y sounding?? maybe not...it is a computer.. sometimes what we type doesnt = what we say! it can be misrepresented??!! ..... again congrats, thanks and all the rest.....

cant wait to see the slips! that will shut all of them (and myself) up!

you are as analytical as myself... never stick a bunch of analytical know it alls in a room.... that is when blood gets splattered! :wow:

I said I'd help out, but you never followed through. You have my phone number, I helped you with some DHP questions you had IIRC a while back.. I never said I expected to be generously compensated or anything of the like. I don't expect ONE thing out of it but to help a member of the boards out. That's the difference between me and you I suppose - I don't expect anything in return for helping someone out. Having the satisfaction and someone saying "thank you" is plenty of compensation.

Again, congratulations for what you have done and what you are doing. But don't expect everyone around here to kiss your ass for it. Whether or not you see it, I have the utmost respect for you, your projects, your car just not your attitude sometimes. God knows I'd do some crazy things to my GA, but it's not practical for my life right now. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are trying to say through a computer.. but god damn calm down. No don't sit back and take flames, but relax a little man.

Brent (sp?) had the first ITS turbo, yes the end project ended up failing, but I didn't see him soliciting for kudos everywhere.. He did his own thing and showed us along the way and that was that. Didn't expect anything from anyone else. He got crazy props along with everyone else here who's done something new.



As far as starting this mess on this thread.... what did you expect with a statement like this??
Looks like discussion material to me ??

they sure as hell dont count! i said aftermarket performance companies....not some shadetree rip-off company!

But the efforts by the member trying to get the kit made mean nothing ???? I don't think so ... He's in the same boat as Tom - wanted a turbo setup then went and got one made.

No, my comments weren't directed at you specifically, but I wish some would realize that...

Anyhow, I have always thanked people that have helped. And I still do. We didn't fall through on the limiters. I was trying to move too fast and between DP and myself decided that we wanted the tranny done and the mounts done. Then we would get the limiters done. Personally I wanted them done sooner, but sometimes you have to deal with other people's schedules. If it were up to me I would have the tranny in, tuned and ready to race.

That was my point. There happens to be more aftermarket support now to make the turbo production more feasible, hence why the HPP project actually came to be what it is today. Either way, both efforts deserve merit.

PHANTOM: Congrats, you've done a lot for the community, and I am thoroughly impressed. Go to the track when it's done and post times, I'll congratulate you again if you beat my fastest time :wave:

:woowoo ... kudos to him

but he should have found someone with a better track record and some sort of qualifications and reliability. ..then again you are talkin to the guy that is/was tryin to get a homemade sc kit produced from other companies parts! lol

hypocrite huh

Hmm... sounds like a line of BS to me. And yes, I might have help insigate it some, but this is what started it. Someone that gave up and moved on (which is fine) is talking trash AGAIN.

I was responding to that.

Werd

Heres for forteen3 :cheers:

and one for Tom :cheers:

and Andy :cheers:

and J :cheers:

When will your car be race-ready? I'm honestly excited to see what comes of all this.....even though I don't have the Grandma any more I'm really hoping to see someone break into the 12's....and I think you might just be the first one to do it.

hallalujah! ..i hear the church bells singing.....never thought i would hear these words come out of your keyboard!!! wow.....i am speechless!

wheeping with tears....

what about PACE??

Group Hug........ (and dont grab anyones ass!! you ghey f'ers!) lol

I've always appreciated what Phantom's done. He really needs to post track times though....

I can remember John (Aleroboy) always posting times during his projects...and that's very appreciated in the community. It shows his progress, and gives other people a goal to shoot for....all around promotes good healthy competition and most importantly progression in the aftermarket for the vehicle.

I'm honestly thinking more and more every day about selling the Xterra, buying a pos'd '00 SE with high miles, building a motor and tranny for it, boosting the snot out of it....given the right work the car has more potential than most will give it credit for, I miss that aspect of it.

I'm working on it. I just punched it and the way home... and the transmission just ins't up to the task. I'm sitting on 7 psi of boost (after the cam and head install it started making only 7 psi.... I didn't want to increase it again until I hit the dyno) and I'm just spinning at around 4000 RPM and not really accerating, then booom.... I'm hauling ass all the way to redline. The torque converter is shot, either that the clutch packs are. I'm not sure what. I PROMISE that as soon as I can get that new tranny and and program I WILL go the track at the EARLIEST possible chance I get.

And guys, don't think I don't apprieciate this type of discussion. It ****es me off when we get someone slamming me or anyone that is expanding the market. I have good dyno numbers, and that is the best I can provide right this minute. Although, I do have to say that HPP kit borrowed some design tips from the header companies. I will never deny that we got help from numbers of sources, such as DHP, TOG (indirectly), APoC, if you recall, many members of this board had feedback information on injectors, spark timing, etc. I by no means did this all myself, but I did put up the capital and spent a lot time on research.

I have always given my thanks to those who deserve it.... such as Bzopi, Pat, John, Seth, and a few others.... just don't burn my ass on defeatist comments like a "GA's can't be fast."

And last but not least.... Pace you are right on one thing... with my current transmission it is a dyno queen. I know it. That's why I need a new transaxle, so I can put all that power where it belongs. Hence why I haven't been to the track.....

WOW...you really know your stuff...... most people dont even refer it to it's real name anymore... .............................................. just a little sarcasm intended

i hear:
tranny
transmission
etc .....

nice to see someone that is on top of things.... a little automotive understanding goes a long way in my book....as far as respect that is.

the people on this board that drive me nuts are the ones that say
" what about a awd twin turbo supercharged grand am?? " ....im like go thru all the previous 4-5 years of posts....learn something, then start your blabberin! lol

:banghead :banghead

been there done that. Time for a new tranny. :)

You open the trunk and there are instructions on how to fit 2 golf bags in the trunk of a 350Z. I'm not exactly sure how much it was really designed to race with a feature like that. It still is a much better starting point than a GM FWD car though, thats for sure. They definitely look sweet though.

For some reason i think any car with instructions on how to put anything in the trunk is a car meant to race! They obviously didnt design it to be easy to use the trunk and didnt really give a damn what is going in it, spent to much time designing the drive train and suspension!

Considering there's two 350z's in the 10's, and plenty on the road race courses right now.....I think they were built to race.

you guys tryin to say that a naturally aspirated car that out performs its previous twin turbo version sports car is not built to race.... just add boost to the 350Z.... you are gonna see 12's and 11's! a 13.6-13.9 second car with a 3.5 ltr v6! wow.
they may not look pretty as the G35's but they run great.... i saw one smoke the dog doo out of an s2000! from a dig and roll! (track of course)

did get beat by a small block gmc jimmy with slicks...just barely.

built to race..... yeah...just like the vette, and the cobra, and the wrx...... built to mod? naaaah.... the grand am is a modders car... it takes mods and runs with them....unless you drop some cash a 350 will not gain from the usual heads, intakes, exhaust etc.... you need boost. The motors are pretty much maxed out. UNLIKE THE GRAND AM GT"S!!!!! Keep modding!

Looks like you girls fought all weekend about this crap lol

Bla bla bla. They amount of money you spend does not impress me. What you have done for the community does not impress me. Only one thing impresses me and that's TIMESLIPS.

Good luck.....congradulations. You're doing a super-dooper job. Group-hug....circle jerk...bla bla bla.

We are all here to impress you.....lol
lets look at your contributions....... "letting everyone know you can juice the **** out of a 3.4 and run high 13's once! thanks" let us know when your motor blows up!

do us all a favor...stop looking at this thread! you are an A$$ & Teh J3RK

I made lots of 13 sec passes you clown. 13.86 was just my best. You are really hurting my feeling by using your computer slang to call me names.....:rolleyes: All I was saying is that you don't earn props by spending $. You earn it by running timeslips. Once you do that I will make a thread specifically just to congradulate you- and it will be sincere. I'm just sick of hearing "I'm going to do this and that....." Got off the focking internet and just do it then you focking clown.

just curious... since ECAP no longer exists... what mods did you have??
other than nitrous.... a 13.86 is nice.... stock w/ borlas i ran a 14.3 with an 85 dry shot......

i am sure if i removed the dhp and put the kit on i would be running comparable times. but i really dont care what my top nitrous et is....

i would rather have a fast streetable car .

mods?