If that is what YOU call research than that is what you should do. lol



Miniature Doberman. If my engine were a dog it would be this one.... a miniature bad ass.

....and I probbably will buy a mini doberman in the near future.

fo44rd what are you blabbering about? We all know that you hate GM products, maybe you have a valid reason, maybe not. Get this through your thick skull, the new Pontiac GTO IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL GM product. Its comfort level, ride quality, fit and finish interior is vastly superior to any current GM products. Some say that its surpasses many european brands with double the price.

There is no need to troll the used car lot. Compare the features of the 04 GTO and the 05 GTO. For nearly the same amount the new GTO has more features, a new engine (the same as the vette), duals, stlye and bigger brakes.

Your arguements are useless. We are talking about the GTO here. FACTS are 1) Holden have been the market leaders in the sedan, coupe, utility, large car segments 2) Holdens factory now runs 24hr for 6 days and 12hrs on the 7th day (3 shifts) 3) demand far surpasses their ability to build the car 4) The vauxhall monaro (similar as the GTO) sold out within 3 months in Europe 5) there is a waiting list for Australian and arab monaros 6) Holden is the most successful GM division and is now regarded as the center for RWD R&D

Finally your proof is a bit sus. theres alot of pos out there using second hand evidence i.e. my mom, pop, brother, friend or sister FILL IN THE BLANKS. We owners of the GTO/monaro absolutely love the car. Look in a GTO dedicated site, there are plenty of guys with 2 04 GTO's. Owners buying their second GTO (because they love it) as a weekend car or for the wife speaks volumes for the great qualities of the GTO.

Again look at the sales of Holden cars...........Ever since 97 Holden have been braking its own record, month after month.

Too bad the GTO is not a poor prodyct.

Look at many import or euro forums, they all acknowledge the GTO as the best pontiac product (in terms of build quality, fit and finish and performance). A certain VW forums is currently in a GTO frenzy, with many members buying GTO's.

Total production world wide for both GTO and monaros (saudi, UK, NZ and Aust) would be in the region of 27K per year. This car is therefore very exclusive, many areas are already running out of 04 GTO.

The GTO is a halo car for pontiac. It is the first pontiac for a very long time that could actually challenge european maques. The car is therefore important for pontiac not because of the # sold but because it can change future direction for pontiac and GM. Even now, Holdens quality control, structure, design and innovative manufatureing are being adopted throughout the GM world.

WHY is holden important? because they produce cars quickly, adaptable and using little resources.

Name the dealers and provide their phone numbers......this might be helpful to GA-GT forumers. Otherwise I call BS on that.

Funnily enough many GTO owners dont regret buying the GTO at sticker. Many are now taking advantage of the discounts and buying their second goats. Their plan have always been buy an 04 and buy the new generation 07 GTO.

I second that motion.

Lets talk about you dream ford GT (in your sig). Its also a DOA = damaged on arrival. Say what, its been recalled twice already? Talk about for cutting coners and offering an inferior product at supercar prices.

Horsepower @ 300hp is far lower than the GTO at 400hp, its a bit pricy for a common car 25K for a bare bones GT and 28+ for an optioned GT. Factor in the dealer increases and the new GT offering is a downright pricy vehicle. Would you get the same quality as the GTO? probably not since GTO's use similar type of leather as top BMW's , GTO's are more comfortable (for both driver and back seat passengers), actually have a modern IRS and have a great german audio system.

Good, more the reason to buy the new GTO. Since holden has never kicked dirt in your face.

If we had the same deal as the US guys i.e. $27K then you would have seen me go down to the dealer and get 3 more monaros.

GTO's are good buy many aussies including myself loved the flowing/classy lines of the normal monaro. What many are doing is buying a normal monaro and modding the Sh!t out of it, that way we get the styling and the power (usually for a lower price). ULTIMATE SLEEPER.

NO we love the car just as it is.

You really enjoy talking to yourself. Do you work for Holden? :whistle:

This thread has gone as far as it can- all opinions expressed. Please lock it.

14 posts over himself? (monaroCountry) Holy cow!!

No I dont...........FYI I actually like the ford V6 engine over the holden V6. Best car I guess.

Motortrend is reporting that plans for a RWD coupe for Pontiac are dead.

one sold on ebay for 18 or 19, something the other day...it was yellow.

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/gto28e_20050728.htm

- Detroit Free Press

It's basically saying the same thing, but there was another article on cnn.com about the GTO:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/07/29/new_gto/index.html

hopefully in the process GM doesn't put their typical cheap ass interior in it and destroy what they have now. In fact...how about they contract Holden to design that part!!

............ :iconfused :thumbsdow

Oh no, they're gonna give it some ugly ass make over. :nono:

I'm afraid it will be retro. Look forwards, not backwards!

What... a 1997 Cadillac Catera 2 door with a 6.0 V8 wedged in?

Yeah, that would suck if they updated it.

alllllright there's wayyy too much info here. So they're not killing it afterall?

I spotted an article in my GM High-Tech Mag. It says that they have a GNX concept by Dean Hodel for an 07' model. It looks GTO/Monaro with a monochromatic black finish, 18'' Rims and classic Buick Portholes. The engine would be a 3.6L DOHC twin turbo V-6 pumping out 450 horses and 465 ft. lbs. of tourqe with either a 6 speed manual or a 6 speed auto not to mention an ALL WHEEL DRIVE PLATFORM.

This was in GM High-Tech for August. IMO I wouldn't hold my breath for this ride to be developed.

GM will most likely ditch the whole GTO platform and replace it with a 4-cylinder, 4-door hybrid economy car with bland looks in hopes of appeasing 98% of the US.

[edit] Forgot to mention it will have bench seats with a 2-speed automatic. Here's the concept photo from GM insider news (its on the right)

http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/online/box/box.jpg

the jokes are getting real lame and tiresome, especially considering that attempt made zero focking sense because you took that from a sentence I was talking about interiors in.

But hey, you have a Cavalier, whoa is me.

Latest info...
 

All-new all-American Mustang fighter

http://motortrend.com/future/spied/1...peid0101_l.jpg

By Editors of Motor Trend
Photography by Marc Cook
Motor Trend, May 2005

This one's a winner -- The design for the new GTO coming to Pontiac showrooms in 2007 as a 2008 model. The big, rear-drive sport coupe will be designed and built in the U.S., possibly at GM's Hamtramck or Wilmington plants, and it's likely to show up in concept form at a 2006 auto show, probably Detroit in January.

The new GTO looks more muscular than the today's model, with a fastback roofline and strong tension in the profile and pumped fenders. Overall length is down 0.8 inch to 189. The only retro nods on this car are the wide-track Pontiac-style front end and the twin hood scoops. Ironically, the design is being done under the direction of Australian Mike Simcoe, who designed the current GTO as a Holden Monaro in 1997 and is now responsible for all GM North American cars.

http://motortrend.com/future/spied/1...peid0103_s.jpg

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GTO Regeneration: Next-gen Pontiac muscle car reportedly will hit market in '08

http://www.autoweek.com/images/news/102907
Not the actual car, it's a photoshop

BOB GRITZINGER
Posted Date: 8/3/05

What you see in this illustration is a fairly close rendition of what we can expect when the next-generation Pontiac GTO hits the market in 2008. We say “fairly close” because we’ve seen the super-secret spy photos upon which it is based, and the actual shots show a sleeker, wider, lower and, frankly, far more appealing car.

That’s the good news.

The bad news is General Motors’ Aussie division Holden reportedly may not start cranking out these future Goats until 2008, a full two years after production ceases on the 2006 Holden Monaro-based GTO.

One more tidbit: It’s not shown here, but we hear GM is considering doing this GTO as a four-door coupe, using rear-hinged rear-access doors without visible handles

4 Door Chargers and now possably a new 4 door GTO? WTF might as well come out with a 4 door Camaro. I'll pass on that concept and the wheels along with it.

ugh I'm tired of hearing "4 door coupe" design. Why cant anyone just make a plain COUPE!! There are plenty of 4 door sedan cars for people to choose from.

That's one hell of a photoshop! The overall design isn't too bad, as long as they don't make radical changes before it hits production.

meh I dont get what everyones beef about having a "coupe" is its still gonna be a badass ride, coupes are annoying with their heavy doors and inconvience for getting passengers in the back seat. Plus I think they're talking about doing a Saturn like door not a true 4 door

whatever greg, go buy an 80's minivan :homo:

4 door's yeah good thinking GM :farz:

Someof us dont mind the 4 door option... I personally have been told by my wife that the next car I buy has to be a four dorr to support having kids and places to put them, so I was happy to see the charger come out as a four door, but still a powerful car. The GTO, as speculated here, would be just as perfect for a guy like me, although they should develope 2 and 4 door models to support different people's styles.