price actually went up to 380. i just didn't raise the price for the original buyers for waiting so patiently.

personally i think those times are more than decent. Tim ran a 14.9 best before this, and now he's running consistent 14.8's in less than perfect conditions. keep up the good times Tim, can't wait to see what you do on a cool day when you got headers.

hope you have A/C, must make for ****ty track conditions?
btw nice runs xonelith

And 66% humidity is pretty low compared to some of the times when I've run. I've had a few runs with humidity in the low to mid 90s... Bowling Green, KY on a nice August night. 90º+F with 90%+ humidity. Yeah, that was fun. :|

Thought I'd post the best 1/4 time from that hot day.... reaction time sucks, cuz i'm trying to figure stuff out... car sounds totally different now:)

I can also post the 93mph trap and my best 60' from that day too if anyone wants to see those (different runs:))

I typed the stuff in at N-body.net as it is probably easier to read than the time slips.

Not to bust on you, and I know that there is still PLENTY of tuning to be done, but doesn't it suck to know you spent close to $3k and only knocked 0.12 sec off your time? Kinda makes me think the 50-60hp gains is just a tad inflated...

Don't worry though... I've been there several times myself. I'm not knocking Milzy's stuff at all, but people on this site have always concluded that a cam will really wake this engine up. I think your case proves that you need alot more than just a cam and headwork to match to wake the engine up.

I'm still interested in seeing some dyno numbers on the cams though.

(Disclaimer: This is not meant as a flame post, just some comments and observations meant in a neutral manner...)

Yeah, i really think the lack of a larger TB and headers is hurting him, and once he adds a those he'll see a significant improvement.

Stock TB and stock manifolds are DEFINTELY holding that car back. The 3400 wants the additional flow of the 62mm and the headers without a cam, imagine how much of a difference it'll make with a cam and good heads. Looking at the slips, its defintely not breathing that great. I can make 89mph at the traps with a 1/8th mph of only 70, so the top end isn't there yet, I can build more MPH on the second half of the track with the stock cam, probably due to good exhaust breathing. Get it intake and exhaust flowing free, and I bet it wakes up NICE.

Pat is right. I'm not about to start a racing story, but to compare, I ran against an 04 Mustang GT with only CAI and ran even up to 70 on a deserted road. About 2-3 weeks later, he added a cat-back, and I added a 62mm TB, and once again we ran even. Still haven't had time to get to the track though. I work 6 days a week now :( I keep trying to contact DHP and they're tossing me all around the phone system telling me to contact certain people, and then getting tossed back to the number I started. So tuning isn't coming too easily either.

How did your car like the 62mm, backhill?

It liked it a lot *foshizzle

Good to hear, I'm looking for just a little more juice outta mine! Soon as TheShizzy gets his shizzle apart, I should have mine. Ok, back to the regularly scheduled cam discussion.

I agree, the stock exhaust manifolds are killing me. I'm also still running stock timing.

As for the time difference, in similar weather last year, I ran a 15.5, so there is definitely more than a .12 sec gain. My 14.956 was run in 11*C weather. BUT I was hopin' for a little better times than that.

bszopi... i'll definitely be posting the dyno numbers as soon as the headers are on (should be in a few weeks). I just can't justify spending $$ on a dyno before that. BUT a before and after would be interesting:)

I still think that with headers, I can get myself down to the low 14's (hopin' 13.9 :not_worth !!) in good conditions. Maybe I'm too optimistic :blushing:

Post # regardless of the situations ... more than just grand am people are interested ... ya know?

A few other things to note (I'm looking for excuses :eek: )

Running stock Eagle RSA's (almost bald... like slicks right:))

Best 60' 2.195 (3rd run - 14.860)
Best 330' 6.329 (3rd run - 14.860)
Best 1/8 ET 9.687 (5th run - 14.839)
Best 1/8 MPH 75.38 (4th run - 14.854)
Best 1/4 ET 14.839 (5th run - 14.839)
Best 1/4 MPH 93.00 (3rd run - 14.860)

3rd run I bounced off the rev limiter in 1-2 shift (maybe I shouldn't be tuning:))

My other 2 runs were 15.065 and 14.904.

The biggest factor, my big toe on my left foot was a little sore.

cryptnix, I haven't gone to the dyno yet... sorry I guess I wasn't clear. Once I get the headers, I'll go to the dyno and post the number

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bszopi... i'll definitely be posting the dyno numbers as soon as the headers are on (should be in a few weeks). I just can't justify spending $$ on a dyno before that. BUT a before and after would be interesting:)QUOTE]

I will be posting my dyno results after my cam goes in. :whistle: And I'll post my pre-cam ones from last month to compare.

my 9.42 is a faster 8th mile! I hope you seriously improve on that one!!! and dont say heat.... I am in Dallas! the 93mph NA trap is pretty decent though.. but nothing to brag about.

Those are good times though IMO. Good enough for 3rd spot in the top NA times. And he still has yet to tune the car, get headers, a bigger TB, or better tires. I think the 60' is responsible for his so-so 1/8th mile. With a little work I think a cam'd car is going to take the top NA spot for sure this year. I also believe that the cam really was needed to "wake up" this motor. It's like any thing else though on a modern computer controlled engine. It's only going to realize it's true potential with the right supporting parts and tuning. :)

Agree 100%. Anyone who thinks they can go buy a cam and expect really fast times is in for a surprise. The supporting mods are key to getting good times IMHO, the cam is just one of those supporting mods.

My supporting mods are coming, just hafta wait for the money.

Regarding the heat, I still think my toe was the bigger problem.

Someone may want to let the guys at NAIOA.com (W-body Impala club) about these cams as I do not believe any of them know a cam is available for the 3400.

ok what would i need to do sensor wise, to put a stage 1 cam into my GA? i have a 95 GT with a 99 3400 motor. i am about to get ported intakes, heads, and a 62mm tb also.

You have an impala and I assume you are a member of that site. I nominate you... :D.




ace_ga. read back a little, the answer is there. Your car originally had a 3100 but the cam trigger was the same as the 3400 which is why the 99' 3400 works with your pcm. The 3400 used 3 different cam triggers from '95 to '99, '00 to '03, and '04+. The new cam uses the '04 style trigger but will work with both the '00-'03 and '04+ cam sensor. If you have a '95-'99 style cam/sensor/pcm, you will need to change the sensor to a '00-'03 sensor and use a harness adapter that will be available from milzy. Then the cam will work in your car.

Aaron, you need to reread... The years are 93-99, 00-02, and 03+. And 3400s didn't come out until 96. :p

Whatever... I'm sure they were in some cars in late '95 as '96 models. Why argue semantics? The informations was still correct for what he needs.

Caue I just like giving you crap... :D

wow, lots of posts since I read last.

many of you said that the stage 2 cam/heads require supporting mods to see the true potential of the power gain, and i couldn't agree more. some of you may think Tim is making excuses about weather or whatever adversely affecting his times. the facts are this ... he ran a 14.9 in the winter (or atleast winter-like weather) before these mods, and he ran 14.8 afterwords in the summer. granted it may not be as hot as it is in texas, but i think the humidity if more detrimetal than temp. so i guess the real test is what his car will run once the weather cools off some more. great times Tim, and can't wait to see some more. what's the NA record for a GA at this point? what's the fastest record period?

and tim, i really think that 60ft is also holding up your times. i think we can get your car down to like a 2.0 60 ft without too much trouble. that would take 3-4 tenths off right there. what 60ft did you have with your old 14.9 record?

My old record had a 2.136 60ft. Pristine conditions though (big V8's tearin' all the rubber off their car and lots of glue!!).

Note my old time was in November. Not sure if that means anything or not.

2.0 would be good!! With torque management disabled and a stall converter, I think I might be able to get better than that.... (pending traction). Since the car sounds different, I haven't been able to figure out where the RPM's are when launching (hence crappy RT's). I'm thinking I should be able to stage at 3200 rpm, but we'll see. I will be getting some Yokohoma All Seasons for winter, and if I can afford it, come spring, I'll buy some nice summer tires and rims:)

xon

If you are talking 60V6 NA top time, I'm pretty sure it is Colin with his 13.9 run, and that's with a hybrid 3.1/3100 in a J-body.

Pretty sure Curtis has the fastest boosted time with his 12.3s. Should be quicker once he gets it fixed and running correctly again...

Think they're talking for 99+ GA though. Top NA time is 14.79@91 and top boosted time is 13.52@102.

I think Blackrider probably has the fastest N/A time...

14.6's?????? IIRC :nikki: :wow: :cheers: :winner:



you won't believe it anyway!

well the car got dynoed tonight...184 at the wheels. That's 24 more than I had before the cam. A little lower than I expected but I guess I was being overly optimistic. I was just assuming more since the listed specs on milzys website were 30 horse at the wheels for the stage 1 cam and I have the stage 2. Oh well. At least I can keep up with matt now.

Hey Eric, what were your mods before the cam swap, and what all was done with the cam swap? I tried going back to figure it out, and I think I know, but I want to be fore sure...

before the cam was borla, S&S Headers, Heads-LIM-UIM(All done by colin who did blackriders stuff), and 62MM TB. For the cam install I had a CAI installed, cam obviously, and a dyno tune.

Do you have the 2 graphs? Wouldn't mind comparing the curves to see how the powerband shifted.

i'm pretty sure we quoted 30hp at the crank. which 24whp just happens to be

Your store says, for a Stage 2, 50hp or more when used with supporting mods. The only supporting mods he doesn't have would be the PCM (which I'm sure is hurting him). That would mean the PCM would have to account for the other 16+hp, which there is a chance it could...

that should be good for 200WHP..... or 250 Crank.


If you dont put down 14.2's to 14.5's with tuning, I would be disappointed :crying:

our stage 2 heads + our stage 2 cam = 50, sorry for the misunderstanding. i'll get that re-worded to be more clear

already have the tune. Don't need a pcm. Had it tuned out there by mike. I figured at least 200 at the crank assuming I put down 160 before the cam, tune, and CAI. I thought it would at least net me 40 more horse. But as I said I was being overly optimistic. 184 is pretty decent.