even if you do this to the tables, and a few other things, some torque management still remains in certain situations.

DHP 1.0 has some torque management setting changes IIRC....... PowerTuner is going to be a must for you cammed guys.

I would go in and raise the line pressures.... remove the Timing/Fuel cutoff's....

leave the other settings the same. and like he said... dont spin the tires in a turn where it is not able to grab traction.

that should remove some of the KR.

yea....LATE afternoon is pretty much the only time youll get decent track conditions

Still doesn't shift at 6800rpm... so your point is? :)

Thats what it reads on my tach when I shift. Either you are wrong, or the needle is.

Or, you may want to get your tranny checked. Could be shot accumulators and clutches ;) WOT shift should be at about 5700RPM. MPH is a variable in this too, not only RPM. I suppose it could be possible in a normal scenerio, but I would be concerned... Perhaps the 1.0 has much higher shift points than the 1.5.

http://groomlakelabs.com/albums/smil...annyfocked.gif

EDIT: Had to make a smilie for this one ;)

I don't think it's messed up currently. Everything runs smoothly and I've had no codes thrown yet. The car only has 28000 miles on it, with about 1000 miles after the h/c

This didn't throw any codes (until all the fluid came out, lol):

http://groomlakelabs.com/albums/tran....highlight.jpg

Nor did this:

http://groomlakelabs.com/albums/Diff...1802.thumb.jpg


Point is, you shouldn't wait on the idiot light. It may not be a bad idea to change the fluid & filter to see if there is excessive clutch wear, metal debris, etc.

we'll be able to see what's going on when i check it out this weekend.

How much knock was there on the dyno runs?

14.9 with torque management, 0 without

Damn.. I wonder if my car would not have sucked with TM off :(

The needle may be off a little, but more than likely the clutches are slipping between shifts. Even so, the engine should not rev that high regardless. DHP does not and would not put the rev limiter that high on a generic pcm program that's mass marketed to people with mostly stock engines. You would require an engine with balanced internals and valve train modifications to rev to 7000rpm without blowing up in short order or lasting any length of time. They know this... you'd have to get a custom program for that high a rev limiter.

I would get a scanner on it so you can get an accurate rpm reading from the crank sensor instead of what the tach is showing you.

This was the scenario I had.... thought it was real KR until I removed the TM.... funny little thing the computer:)

I've set my shift points to around 6400 rpm with a rev limiter 6800 (spark retard 6800, fuel cutoff is at 7000).

I have hit the rev limiter. I shifted at 6400, but apparently the gear didn't catch until 6800!! I was using a scanner. Tranny slip????

On another note, I just got my headers put in yesterday (pics on my website). I'll be hitting the track on friday where I will be messing with my timing. I'll post my results (unless they suck:))

what shift point rpm are you commanding in the pcm?

I didn't touch the rpm section, only the speed section since "both Shift Speed and RPM must be exceeded for the transmission to shift" (from the manual).

I modified the Normal shifts only from 87% TPS and up to match the speeds at WOT.

Did you get my scans & bin????

See the attached shots:

i dl'd them, but had trouble getting them on my laptop. i used a floppy disk that i knew worked, but when i tried to copy to the laptop, said it had to be formatted or something.

Well, went to the track last night, this time with headers. First the excuses:

Stock weight plus 5/8 tank of gas
Bald Eagle RSA's... can't go any further on these things...
Tuning... I'm slowly figuring it out, but it's taking a long time. Still having some shifting problems.
Stock timing.

My sig has the time (14.527). It's getting better!! Going to the track again today to work on my tuning.

Wow, good job Tim :thumbs:

with some slicks/tuning/weight red. you could break into the 13s.

that would be great. I have bought a cf hood, it's just not on yet. Not sure if I'll go slicks or not, but we'll see. Tuning for sure....

Well, I went to the track again today and did 10 more runs. The temperature was a few degrees cooler and I removed the tire and jack from my trunk. I changed my 2-3 shift up by 1mph and added 1 degree of timing.

My first run was a 14.780@95.54. I was pretty happy with this since it was earlier in the day than last nights runs and it was a better time!!

I then ran a 14.318@96.67. I thought this was going to be my best time.

The following were the remaining times for the day:

14.372@98.90
14.312@97.81
14.222@98.02 - I was going to quit after this one figuring this was lucky :)
14.211@97.46 - glad I went again!!

14.195@97.84 - this surprised me...

14.225@97.79
14.308@97.36
14.289@97.84 - Last run... thought I could beat the other!! NOPE

Thanks Milzy and HPTuners..... this surpassed my expectations! Now for a trip to the dyno to finalize my tuning. Maybe 13's arent' that far off in stock trim:)

Most impressive. Congrats. :thumbs:

Damn boy. F'n A! Much props. For all those in doubt of the cam, behold the results. Very very impressive. Imagine what a converter and final drive ratio change would do.

I installed the 1.5 over my 1.0.................. shifts are identical! feels the exact same. I was afraid of losing the advantages of the standard 1.0 on the GAGT.... nope..... seems like the 1.5 is a copy of the 1.0! those who are considering the 1.0 should just buy the powertuner! :slayer

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a consistant 14.2 car with bad tires and warmer weather. you probably have a 13.9 car with slicks, no front passanger seat (sucker weighs about 40 lbs!!, race gas, and more timing! do you have any logs of the runs???

this is making me reconsider trading the gagt in!!! heck... i will be nuts to have 3 pontiac cars and a ford truck!!

very VERY nice times.. how much do you think you've spent on engine upgrades total?

Well, I haven't spent as much as some, but probably more than most. Including my Alpine CD/MP3 player and CF hood (just picked it up today), I've spent around 7000 Canadian (that's like what 4 dollars american??). Engine upgrades alone are probably around 2500 Canadian. Exhaust around 1200 Canadian. And headers (not quite sure which category to place that in; exhaust? Engine?).

Anyway, still alot to buy.....


I think tires are first. The stockers are really worn. Probably go with a Yokohoma All Season for now, since I need the car for winter. Maybe next year, I'll get some flat black rims & summer tires.

Next would definitely be an engine mount and a pulley. I've noticebly lost torque and I hope these things will help.

I'm not sure a larger TB is going to do anything for me at the time. I hafta hit the dyno to see if enough air is getting in. I think it is since I have to run rich right now (o2's are 930 - 960 at WOT). Maybe once I get the tuning figured out, it will be apparent that that is what I need. Probably bigger injectors if I need a larger TB. My biggest problem is the price of these TB's.... hard to justify.

The main thing that I think is needed is tranny work..... not sure on the $$ or what needs (or is available) to be done, but I don't think it will last.

I think Milzy is definitely on the right track with his work. I would recommend this setup to anyone looking for a gain. Even stage I I'm sure would help. My gas mileage still remains pretty much the same (except when using alot of WOT; expected). If you don't like a lobey idle, then this is not for you

You'll loose even more low end torque with a larger throttle body.

Congrats xonelith, those times are awesome.

Well I posted my dyno results in another thread. 203.41HP and 193.83 Torque. Not bad for 99* temps.

Tim, your car never ceases to amaze me. Congratulations on some awesome ET's, and your dyno runs are equally impressive. keep up the good work, and good luck on your quest for 13's. you're not too far off.

32 pages????? wow!! whats the record?

Did anyone get there cam installed by anyone other then milzy?

My cam from Comp, should be going in next week as long as I don't get held up on anything. And I believe Aarongtr did his own as well. So far all of the cam'd cars running around here have been done by Milzy, why do u ask?

yuor cam is a regrind?

nope, custom billet job here.

I was just wondering because Ohio is too far for me to travel to have milzy put it in.

No prob, almost any shop can do this, but it takes the amish ones a little longer :)

I hope a shop can do it because I know that it don't come with instructions so I don't know if they would do it or not.

Just a question about cams

Why dosen't the off the shelf cam kits from places like comp, crane, engine-parts.com.....etc not work with the 3100 and 3400?

I tried searching but I couldn't find anything that answered the question directly.