until recently the only thing that was offered were regrinds. the only place to currently get off the shelf camshafts is through milzy motorsports/cammotion.

kyle any capable shop can change one, and believe it or not they probably already have instructions. lol this isn't anything new, ppl been swapping cams forever, just because its a 3400 instead of a SBC doesn't mean anything.

Because they are flat-tappet cams, not roller cams.

What would they need any special instructions for? All they are doing is replacing one cam with another. Other than the amount of work involved to get it out, it's really no big deal. Basic engine work... only thing you'd need is a manual with the torque specs and stuff. Any place that does engine work can do this.

I don't know... I was up in amish country yesterday. Some carry Cell phones now. You may be surprised ;)

Yeh I guess you are right. I know that the engine has to come out for it to be installed. Do you have any idea what is involved in doing that.

Quite a bit.

by the way... how many hours of labor should you expect to pay for??? most shops charge between 50 to 80 per hour. FYI

According to AllData, a 3x00 cam replacement is set for 13.6 hrs, so at $50/hr look at $780.

Am I gonna need any kind of special tuning for a stage one cam?

Also do I have to get that special cam sensor for a 2000?

It wouldn't hurt to get some form of flash programmer to modify your PCM. At the least you may want to end up disabling the code P0300 so you wont get the SES for random misfires.

Yea I got a DHP pcm now but I will probually have to get that code dissabled. Do I need that special cam sensor for a 2000?

any professional shop should be able to handle the job.

you'll need the standard 2000-2002 3400 cam sensor.

oh and by the way guys, judging by the last 99 GA we did, and 2 96-99 monte carlos, i would say most of you will not need the cam sensor adapter harness that Casper's is making for us. all you'll need is the sensor

Ok so does that mean I would have to get a new cam sensor if I put a stage one cam in? I can't use the one that is in there already?

you have a 2000. you're good to go (as long as you don't damage the stock one taking it out.)

You might not need to dissable that code either if you get a stage 1. If it runs smooth enough at idle there will be no problem. Thats why I recommend stage 1 to most people. If you don't really know what you're doing as far as tuning's concerned, then it's much cheaper and easier than doing a higher lift and duration cam (ie stage 2).

Yea but with a stage one it will not ideal anything like stock right?

it will stumble like a cam should, but it won't stall out like a stage 2 cammed car with stock pcm will from time to time.

how streetable is the stage 2?? any issues with the engine running hot while idling?

Perfectly streetable. I drive my car around 150 miles each week. If anything, my engine runs cooler, but I think it's because of the t-stat I installed.

Also, gas mileage remains the same (if not better) if you're not at WOT. I drive mine daily as well ( approx 600 km's per day ). I plan to drive in winter as well. YOU NEED TO INCREASE YOUR IDLE. I bumped mine up to 950 and it still sounds cammed, but not like it is ready to stall.

The only problem I have so far is my power steering fluid seeps out by the filler cap. This, I think, is because I'm shifting (at WOT) at about 6500 rpm (with transmission slip, I'm hitting 6800). I assume the power steering pump is not made for revs that high. I'm guessing an smaller underdrive will cure that problem.

every car is different, but on Tom's car, we left the idle around 750 rpm's? i just did some pcm work for him a week or so ago, and asked if it needed bumped up, but he said it was cool where it was.

you may have stumbled upon something with the p.s. pulley. i haven't heard of rev's being an issue with one, but not many people are taking these cars to the limit. if rpm's do play a factor, than a underdrive pulley will definately help. if that doesn't fix it, it's something else.

Miltzy... how many cams do you have currently??

that's not a good question to ask right now :hammer: . i've got a stage 2 on the shelf, and i placed another order a few days ago. shouldn't be too long before those come in. if any of you are considering getting a cam say within the next 3-4 weeks, i'd appreciate it if you could let me know and tell me what cam in particular you're thinking about, and i'll make sure to have enough in stock. it's just tough to keep cams in stock at this point, which isn't a bad thing, we'll just need to order more and more as demand goes up.

so is the demand what you expected??? better or worse... do you see it picking up?

I am curious who all is modding these cars??? :taz:

here's how i think the demand is ...

basically there were some skeptics, and now we have good solid results of gains on a dyno and at the track, i would say most of these skeptics have been convinced, although i don't deny there may still be some. anyways, now that these skeptics have seen what these parts do, i think they now have these mods on their wish list. after these very positive results, in this aftermarket, the demand will not instantly go up. some of these parts are expensive and require some saving up, so i would anticipate a 1-2 month delay before the demand really hits us. so yes i think the demand is there and increasing, but right now people are just saving up. that's my opinion, and i could be wrong.

as far as being what i expected, yeah i think the project is going well. i'm getting to the point where i need to think about how fast i can sell 50 cams if i make a bigger order, and/or how much more i want to invest into the project.

as far as my goals for the season, my first was 13's NA in a GA, then once we do a cammed 3400 w-body, i wanted to put one of those into the 13's NA. not to be too confident, but i think we're close on the first goal. Tim is a good 60 ft away from completing that one.

Did you sell any stage one cams and do you have any in stock?

Yes, did you sell any stage 1 cams yet and if so any word on the #'s they are putting out? I am kinda holding out to see the differences between the stage 1 and stage 2.

getting ready to install the last stage 1 cam at the same time i do a 3400 swap in a 96 monte carlo ls. should be done within the next week. Kyle if you order a stage 1, i can have one probably within a week or two.

i sent a couple out, but i don't think they've been installed yet.

I am going to order it but I have to save up some still.

I'm not sure what it idled at before, but its still higher than before.

Hey I was just wondering if you installed the stage 1 cam yet and how it performs, I am still torn between the stage 1 or the stage 2 cam.

put the motor in the car today. i will probably be starting it tomorrow. the owner will pick the car up on tuesday, and i'm sure he'll post about how the cam performs.

Any word yet?

car starts and runs good, idle is actually not as lopey as i thought. of course with the massive exhaust leak, it might be hard to hear it. the last guy who worked on it cracked the crossover at the flex, nice big puffs of exhaust coming out. tonight i'm going back overthere with my laptop to scan it, install the new crossover, and make sure it's good to go, then drive it back to my house for the owner to pick it up. he's not coming till this weekend now i guess.

Cool, is there any way we could possibly get a sound clip or vid clip of the stage 1 like there is of the stage 2 cam, and you might also want to put those Vids up on your site, it might help move more cams.

yes yes, let me hear/see my car ;) Im so anxious, I cant sleep

but it sounds like everything is going good so far. I didnt want a huge lopey idle, just something stuble and mean. Cant wait to embrass the local r1ce

why is r1ce "****" 'ed out

we will have a vid clip within a week up for the stage 1 cam. the guy who posted below you is Matt, the guy responsible for my website. i've been bugging him to get that stage 2 vid on the site for a while now, but he's been busy. i'm sure he'll get to it pretty soon.

Matt, i put the new crossover on, and the exhaust leaks are gone. car seems to be running even better also. I haven't really got on it that much, but we drove it from the shop 1/2 hr to my house, and it went great. we do need to talk about what you want to do to that tire though.

I have a video done of the Stage II at idle and at the track. I'll be posting it once I figure out how to get the analog video (ya, i'm old school) to my computer:)