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I have a Stage 2 Flux Capacitor! 2.42 Jigawats!

I beat Stage 2 in NFSU2 a few weeks ago...

bzopi makes a good point, RSM's stage 2 heads are not the same as ours. i don't know a whole lot about their product, but i would assume that they do no clearancing for more lift. send me a pm with the specifics of your setup, and i'll see if i can put together a special valvetrain set that will allow you to run the high lift of the stage 2 cam.

This is good info to know for people who want to do there own heads.

Hey AaronGTR, now that your going to get that cam put it, along with your blower and all your other mods, how much power you think your going to be running? Brag away! I wanna know!

Just an FYI, rsm doesn't offer heads in stages. They just offer one ported head, and I wasn't impressed with them. They did a decent job of smoothing them out, but they could have been ported larger, especially the exhaust side. As it was the area around the valve guides was untouched so I smoothed those by hand, as well as putting a smoother finish on the exhaust ports. I could get more flow by sending them out for a more aggresive porting job, over size valves and valve bowl enlarged, etc and I may someday when I get the money. For now I'm just putting in the cam and stepping up to a stiffer valve spring from the LS1's I'm currently running.

I'm making no power predictions at this time as I really have no idea how the car will be running after it's back together. Also I won't be able to tell if any power gains are directly because of the cam. I've moddified the transmission so that could throw it off a little, and I will be switching injectors and tuning with the DHP powrtuner. If all that goes well I may be upping the boost to 11psi as well.

which one did you order? stage one? How much are they going for?

any updates on this. still waiting for mine.

whats the dizzle nizzles?

We have specs yet?

Yeah wow, its been sometime folks....I wanna see some cam action in your GAs now. Even though I don't have one anymore...

what's the status bro?? You were supposed to be shipped to on April 5th. Did ya get it? If so when should we be getting ours?

i called last week on the 5th, and there was another hurdle they had to overcome, and said they would now ship them to me on wednesday or thursday (this week). i will call and see what's going on. i'm sorry for the delay, but these will be worth the wait. i'm as anxious as you guys to see these in action, and don't want to see any delays, but this is how custom production stuff goes sometimes.

AOhell is giving me problems at my house, so if you don't see me on here right away, don't take it personal. all the people on the order have my phone number if they need to contact me.

Are we going to be seeing any dyno numbers for all the different "staged" cams? It would be nice and helpful.

It's cool, I understand how production delays are. I wish I didn't have to wait so long, but not much I can do about it. The real problem is getting my parents off my back. ;) I need the cam so I can get the engine back in the car and get started on the rest of the work I have to do to get it on the road again. My mom keeps nagging me about getting the garage back 'cause her C5's outside under a cover.

ok so its now 8 days past the 5th. Cams show up yet?

And when do you get some F'ing specs!!

Try reading.

yea I did read.

but I still see nothing about specs.

When do we know specs?

if cams are shipping then specs must be known. So when does everyone else get to know what they are?

I want a roller cam but I also want to know what I am buying.

Will the cams be sold at after they are finished
ie pfyc, rsm,.......

FYI, your stock cam is a roller cam.

Thats because he's not releasing the specs duh... all this info is earlier in the thread. If you bought a cam, he will tell you certain information about it so you can determine what kind of grind you want. Since this is a small run of custom cams they can grind almost any profile you want. When the people who ordered cams get theirs they will come with a cam spec sheet. Otherwise he's not releasing information because he spent a lot of time and money flow testing cylinder heads and doing other testing to determine the cam profiles and he doesn't want others copying his specs. (also like clark75 said our stock cams are roller cams)



izayn... these cams will not be sold anywhere. It was a group buy of a small run of custom cams directly thru milzy and manufactured by cam motion. All of them are already spoken for (and paid in full). If there is interest he may do another run, who knows. In the mean time comp cams is supposed to be working on a cam as well, but it will only be available in one grind to start off, and no one has any idea when it will be done.

ok I had no idea these were a small production run.

I thought that these were going to be mass produced. I mean I guess Cam motion can get cam blanks now which means they can now make these cams whenever they want.

So I guess we will have to wait untill someone who has bought a cam releases the specs if they so choose?

All I have seen is people talking about "stages" of a cam.

That does nothing for me if thats all they have been told as well.

I have an aluminum block. I have no cam yet. I want a roller. Not some Flat tappet POS.

^ Did you miss Clark's post? Stock are roller. You think he's going to make a crappier than stock cam?

If you know you want a cam, buy one, and he'll let you pick your grind from there. If all you're doing is window shopping, he won't release the info. It's pretty simple.

The aluminum block was produced (well, designed) before a roller cam was stock. Therefore telling him a stock cam is a roller isn't exactly correct.

I dont' know. It probably wont' be "crappier" but how will I know if its what I really want?

Not releasing this stuff is fine. I guess I will wait untill someone who buys one tells us whats going on. I mean hell people have paid up front for these right? So Technically they have been told what the specs are right? So is there some sort of hush hush on this whole thing with the people who bought one not to release the specs?

This is like me wanting to buy a shirt that a guy is holding across a parking lot with someone standing next to me saying that if I want the shirt it will cost me X amount of dollars. So I ask the man what size the shirt is and he says he will tell me after I buy it. Umm hello. See a prob with this? THe shirt might not even fit me so why would I want to risk buying something that might not fit me?

I guess I will go back and read all 10 pages again to see if these are custom one offs per person or if he did batch of several different specs. If its several different specs then he should release them because I am not about to plunk down $350 to find out none of hte grinds are what I am looking for and then be stuck.

This is all fine and dandy with me. if I dont' know what I am buying then I am not buying it. Its that simple.

Maybe I will just call Cam Motion.

ok I saw on page 7 and 8 that people have gotten the specs of the cams

Instead of publicly listing them here PM me so I can see what its all about so I can go about choosing.

I am tired of this stage crap.

PM ME!

Why dont you PM THEM!?

Here it is Shaun. If you really are interested. And intend on paying if it's what you want. PM Milzy about the specs. He'll get them too you.

Its called intellectual property. If you worked your a$$ off developing something would you just give it away for anybody to have?

Ever heard of a copyright or a patent? Its along those lines.

Are you kidding me?

This is nothing like a copyright or a patent at all.

its like the only people that get the info are the ones that plunk down the money. So I have to plunk down the money before I get the specs and then if I don't like them I am out $350 and have to find someone else to buy teh cam but then I can't tell them the specs unless they give me the money first? Umm right.

Thats like me going to Best buy and getting the New Eminem CD and then you asking me if I think it is good. But of course I am going to say "well I dont' think Eminem would appreciate me talking about his music since its you know copyrighted and all. Just go buy it yourself and find out. If you dont' like it then oh well tough"

See how stupid that sounds?

Look if Milzy is giving otu the specs then there is no great secrecy there. I mean whats to stop someone from posting the specs after buying one? Nothing is. I mean does the buyer have to sign some contract stating they wont' let anyone else know the specs on the "stages"? So how come the people htat have paid haven't come forward to state what the specs are?

I can understand if he doesn't want to post the specs on a public forum but damn if someone is interested then send a pm to them or something. I mean I am not the only one in this thread that feels the same way as I do.

But whatever someone said all the cams are spoken for so I guess I will call cam motion and just ask them. I am sure they will have no problem telling me.

You're right... it's called a trade secret and it just as important as a copyright or patent, it's just easier and isn't as legally enforceable.

...the reason people don't tell is out of respect. Someone is going out of there way to help us out and is asking that we help them out by keeping thier information confidential. I don't see anything wrong with that and I respect Milzy's approach to the whole thing. I also respect the people that are keeping the information to themselves.

I doubt cam montion would tell you either, for the same reason. I'd be surprised if they did.

any shipping info??? Hope they shipped them out.

Basically it comes down to you wanting the cam bad enough. Specs or not, there are no other cams out as of this moment except for the ones 3x3 speaks of, but they are also still in the production phase.

WTF kind of comparison are you trying to pull with the Eminem CD? It's copyrighted so you don't copy the CD and sell it. Everyone is free to talk all they want about the songs. Same goes for the cam, no one is allowed to copy the specs so they do not make copies of the cam while Milzy takes the hit for the cost of development.

how do you know the specs won't be what you want? What makes you think you know enough about this engine to know what kind of cam will work and what won't? Milzy did the testing and developed the specs to fit engines with certain kinds of modds or for certain kinds of uses (ie mainly street driven or a track car). You are obviously missing some important knowledge if you bought the aluminum 60 degree block from gm performance parts. That block was designed off an earlier smaller displacement engine. Not the 3.4L thats in your 2002 Grand Am. You can't bore it out big enough to get 3.4L of displacement out of it. You'd have to stroke it to even get close and that means a custom crank... and that's on top of other custom machining thats needed. :rolleyes: If you intend on building an engine for your GA on that I hope you're prepared to dump a load of cash.

most of the cams are on their way to me right now as we speak, we will have the rest of them about mid next week.

as for the specs, they will be on my website soon enough

as for dyno runs, we are doing what we can to be able to afford that. we will have spent about $8500 this month, so we're kind of hurting for some cash.

sweet, so i should have something pretty to put on my coffee table until i can afford the heads and everything else!!!!!

Shaun, i'm not trying to ignore you, as i said, my computer was giving me trouble for a while, but it's fixed now. i'll PM you my phone number, and we can go from there.

Dont mean to hijack this thread but Milzy, have you been able to start the headers for the pre 99s yet?

waiting on people to pay up :)