hey btw milzy have you decided on a cam install kit price list yet?

the mandatory cam install kit will sell for $65 and include upper intake gaskets, lower intake gaskets, timing cover gasket, and valve cover gaskets. the complete cam install kit will cost about $145 and include the mandatory kit plus cam bolt, crank bolt, timing chain, timing chain dampener.

The only one being owned in this thread is you (it's what I do best, lol)... try responding with some dignity instead of acting like a child. I never said the block couldn't be made to get a displacement of 3.4 liters. I said it couldn't be bored big enough to do that. You'd have to stroke it which means a custom billet crank as well as block machining to clear the con rods which all equals a lot of money. Of course GM has plenty of that... do you?

The aluminum block weighs half of what the iron block weighs, but thats not a whole lot. On a race car like a sprint or midget or a outlaw dirt track car (the kind of thing this engine block was designed for) the weight makes a difference in handling since the race car is fairly light weight to begin with. On a heavy street car that weight reduction won't make much difference and you won't gain much in acceleration. Most people are trying to get power out of these engines, and for that purpose the stronger iron block with more displacement is obviously a better choice.

Also if you know sooo much about cams as you claim, you ought to know that you are very limited in what you can get with a reground stock cam and getting a custom grind with a core from cam motion would give you much better results. Based on your response here I don't think you know half as much as you claim though. And I'm the one who needs to study up on these engines? :rolleyes:

If you really want to learn something you should go to 60degreev6.com. Thats the best place for accurate engine info and it's where I learned all about that aluminum block. Let me warn you though, if you can't reply with more maturity than you've shown here, you won't last long over there either...

Own-age! by AaronGTR!!! lmao.......... he is right. what you were stating doesnt make sense.

back on topic boys..... Brad keep us posted.

Umm Gm claims you can't get it to 3.4 but you can. GM didnt' use a different crank. they used a 3.1 crank. If they used a custom crank I am sure it would have been in all the spec sheets. however not one mention.

**** dude GM also says you can't fit a 3.1 crank in the engine but you can. I mean how else are you going to get it to 3.4 without fitting a larger stroke crank in? I mean you can't bore it out enough right? But GM also says you can't fit a 3.1 crank in it. So tell me oh wise one if you can't fit a 3.1 crank in it because there is too much stroke, and you can't overbore it to a 3.4 bore, then how the hell did GM get it to 3.4? Answer me that oh wise one. Because according to GM literature its absolutely impossible!!!!

I mean if GM was wrong about what cranks will fit, think they can also be wrong about how much of an overbore it can get?

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You guys are right of course... it just irritates me when people do this stuff. I pm'd him (and he's owned again I might add).



I anxiously await my cam, and will post some pretty pics of it when it gets here. :)

I am interested in one.
 

6 month to 1 year

Oh yea and Milzy I read that all the cams have been spoken for.

DO you plan to make more or was that it?

i've never heard anyone say owned so many times and ber serious.... is this clown for real?


...anyways, i just wanted to say thanks to the work on the cams, the effort is greatly appreciated

Ah, that delete button never gets old :)

If you guys need to get info or talk about cranks, displacement etc., please go to 60degreeV6 because you obviously can't talk about it in an intelligent manner here.

Oh sure, send them my way... thanks! And just to clarify my mistake, it was a stock crank. I was thinking of a different engine and got them confused. But I didn't feel the need to butt into the arguement. :)

i'll have to check again, but most of the cams have been spoken for. there might be 1 or 2 extras. which one are you interested in? stage 1 NA, stage 2 NA? i will be making another order, not sure exactly when, but this next one will be a much bigger order, and therefore a much bigger investment.

I already deleted most of your posts, including your last one. Enough with the off-topic banter between you two.

And milzy I dont' know which one I want. I dont' know how radical each cam is. A stage 1 might be enough for me but then again I might want a stage 2. Its hard for me to tell wihtout having any sort of data.

I guess I will try and break my power goals down so you can make a recommendation based on the engine and goals.

Low end tq is not a big deal to me. It will be mated to a manual tranny and its going into a lightweight car. Yes this is not going into a GA.

I would like a strong midrange and a good top end pull. I have ported my own heads runners, bowls, pockets and intakes, 5 angle, SI valves. If I can get my hands on a 62 mm tb that would be great. Around stock gen 3 compression maybe even as low as 9:1. I would like to have around 230 hp n/a with good idle. Specs below should have no prob as far as idle goes.

Anything around 204-206 int dur @ .050 and around 214-218 ext with around 470 int lift and aroudn .500 or so exh is somewhat in the neighborhood of what I am looking for. These would be with 1.6 rockers.

Thanks

Oh and for the chochebag that says I dont' know how to read cam cards in the pms you sent me, I think that is sufficient proof. Now paypal me my $10

based on that, stage 1 is what you want.

thank you IrateWS6!!

What is the average Install $$$ for the stage 1 ????? How many are left??

I'll be the first to say it..... NICE site!

so I take it you have no problem with the cam supply... you are capable of filling all the orders you recieve off the site??

also how do you have numbers on "stage 1" 25-30 crank hp and "stage 2" 50 crank hp without dyno testing... or am i missing something here??

it would be nice to have a write up on the site of the cam install instructions as well.... along with an install kit with all the necessary components.

also after you recieve a few orders.... i would suggest you become a sponsor so you may continue to discuss your product offering without any reprocussions. :)

very nice man!! i love the site..

Nice site. Questions though.

"Upgraded springs" and "Even further upgraded springs." Care to be more specific?

These are NOT regrinds, right?

How much testing went into this to determine how safe they are on a stock PCM?

Specs, man. You might as well make them known now that you've released the cams. How hard is it for someone to buy a cam and steal the specs if they want anyways?

Cam install kit?

Cam Motion..... not regrinds IIRC.... and yes he will sell a kit.

Um, yea...... might not have to think about this. If its any consolation his stage 2 heads netted good numbers with Buckland's Monte. It did great on the dyno, but track he's still getting used to it.

Holding 10ft pole on the cam though :whistle:

65-145 in parts depending how much you want to replace. labor most places will be 500-800. i'll do it for 400, maybe 350 if i need the money that day.

i believe there is 1, maybe 2 left, if you want one, now's the time.

how many more are you ordering... and about the hp ratings?? where do you get them.

we will do what we have to do to keep up with the orders. in the beginning there might be a slight delay, but this shouldn't be an issue after a few sales. it's really a matter of deciding which bank i want to rob to come up with the money needed to order 50 custom cams at once.

i'm sorry about the hp estimates on there. i've been through the site so many times to make sure veerything is right, i guess i forgot to read through that one more time. i'll be sure to note that those are the "anticipated gains". as soon as i have something more concrete i will put it on there.

we have some cam install kits that i mentioned i think a page or two ago in this thread. i will have to figure out what we won't to do about the instructions, but i'll take it under consideration. maybe we'll include it with the install kit?

i wasn't aware that this board had rules for vendor's selling products on the site. since this board will be where most of my 3100/3400 customers are, it would definately be a priority to get setup on this board to be a sponsor.

what info do you want on the springs? install height, seat pressures, spring rate, wire diameter, number of coils?

we have no physical testing on these cams on a stock pcm, so we're basing how safe we think they are based on the stage 1 specs that we designed around a stock pcm and stock headflow.

specs - be patient, they will be on my site soon.

cam install kit is mentioned in the post above.

Pressure is what I was getting at. If they fit, they fit.

A cam is a pretty big mod to not test on first.

good point... how many cars have this cam??? zero????

i install stage 2 heads and cam on a GA this weekend, and i'll be doing several more installs in the weeks to come.

Sounds good. We have rules in place for vendors and we would love to have a sponsor who is capable of offering cam shafts to our members! :)

Feel free to PM either Jeremy or Ryan and they can give you more than enough info.

Closing thread til I hear from MilzyZ34. PM me or email webmaster@grandamgt.com

Thread reopened by me. Milzy's a sponsor now.

sweet.

we finished the install this weekend on sunday, scanned on monday, and the customer drove the car home that morning. the car flies for an NA 3400. the customer got a stage 2 package, and is very happy with it. he'll be posting up some vids as soon as he can. can't wait till we get some track results, but the buttdyno is off the charts. that stage 2 cam has a nice stumbly idle to it :metal:

bring on the dyno!

also.... you still need to update the site with a cam install kit.

yeah i know.

my website builder has his last final today, i'm gonna bug him after that

I absolutely can't wait to see the results of this. It will defintely be the deciding factor in whether to stop modding, or go much deeper. Bring on the dyno numbers, and videos of course.

Milzy, what other mods did this person have done to compliment the cam? If the Buttdyno is off the charts, it has to be a big gain! How long did it take for the install?

what year car was it installed on?

2003