Ill have to disagree there on that one. The steelers did well against the RUN. They got destroyed by the pass which is what they mostly did. Hasselbeck had 49attempts last night. Steelers have had the best run defense in like 10yrs and they showed it. The reffing was pretty bad, the ben TD wasnt a TD and that pushoff that cost seattle a TD wasnt a pushoff, neither was the illegal block on hasselbeck,if u noticed later in the game ben did the same thing, tackle at the knees lol thats tackling 101

ya seriously...who the **** calls blocking below the knees when hes TACKLING...fags

either way..it was a boring ass game....not worth all the money i spent on the party

1. it was a td, you can obviously see it touch the white line, and thats all it has to do, if you want to say it dint then tell me where you can see indisputable eveidence pointing to it not

2. that was also a penalty, the rule states that a player can not push off a defender while going to the opposite side to catch a ball (or sumthin like that) which was exactly what he did. if you look at the defenders feet, you can see him get pushed and his feet leave the ground

3. that call was horrible, shouldn't have been called, so i agree with all of you on it

^^ I agree 100%
1. All that has to happen is a piece of the ball not even the whole ball has to break a piece of the white line. it does not matter if its on the ground or six feet above the ground.

2. You can clearly see the reciver extend his arms and the DB feet reset after the push.

3. yeah that was BS

All and all the game was better than I expected it to be. I thought Pitt. was going to blow them out the water.

Ward did the same **** the entire game...that was not a penalty, I'm sorry. Both Michael Irvin and Steve Young said it, and adimately...along with almost everyone else that I've talked to today that wasn't a Steelers fan. It was a nitpick call, that like I said, Ward got away with all game.

What about the timeout Ben called that shouldn't of happened, but let the Steelers get the 1st down, and continue their drive?

And Ben was down. He dove, was touched, and his elbow was in front of the ball. This just in. When your elbow hits the ground, you're down. Now, unless the ball took a different shape in mid air and wrapped around the other side of his elbow, that ball did not cross the goaline until AFTER he hit the ground...thus? No TD. ANNNNDDDDD...If you watch the replay, the ref runs onto the field UNSURE OF WHAT TO CALL. His initial call is down, because he doesn't signal TD until he gets almost on top of Ben. It was a ***** call because he had no balls to step up and make the right call to a crowd of 90%/10% Steelers fans...

And? What about the holding call that was TERRIBLE. Wow, without that call, the Seahawks have the ball at the Steelers 1 and a first down to try to take the LEAD! And the Steelers had, or at least from what I'm hearing...0 OFFENSIVE HOLDING PENALTIES........

Granted...the Seahawks blew their own chances away, especially Stephens (who would be cut from my team) and the kicker missing 2 field goals (all be it, somewhat long ones AND in the Super Bowl), but still. The refs should not be the determining factor in the outcome of any game, much less the biggest game of the entire year.

It's funny how so many people can look blind towards an event and only see it one way just because they HAVE to take a certain side. If it were the Lions instead of the Steelers in the Super Bowl, I'd be saying the same exact things....but I've yet to come across a fan that willingly accepts the refs as having done a mediocre or worse job. Not one. Pathetic.

you can see the ball crossing the line right as he made contact with the linebacker...its obvious it was across

o you mean when they had clark haggens around the neck?? i forgot that isn't holding....

I saw several replays of Walter Jones' helmet being pushed halfway off by the facemask....last time I checked that was illegal hands to the face. Yet you call a questionable holding penalty on a key play that changes the momentum of the entire game, potentially. It's like calling a handcheck penalty in Game 7 of the NBA Finals in a close game with little time left. It's a ***** call. The holding was questionable at best, and really nothing that you wouldn't see on any other play in the game, by either side. So why call it then? If you're going to call it TIGHT, call it BOTH WAYS.

I agree with that, but in the world of football , if they didnt call it, it didnt happen so dont b*@#% about it. There are always going to be questionable calls in all sports everywhere. Im not going to say that the reffs called that game perfect, but if you think the reffs. are cheating you take them out the game. Your players have to step up and play like they got a pair so that any call the reffs make that is cheap does not matter. The less mistake that your players make the less the reffs. have to do with the outcome of the game.

i agree with you in calling it both ways....but you cant say that when you have your arm around somebodys neck that it isn't holding

if it happened against the seahawks then it should be called...but you cant deny the call was the correct one

Ok here is your indepsutable evidence that it didnt go over the line.
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/n...berger_412.jpg
Right there Bens Knee anbd Elvbow are down and thats all that counts.
He clearly didnt go over, the ball needs to be over not the person, the ball didnt cross till after his knees hit the ground.
The pushoff wasnt a pushoff, clearly wasnt, every single WR in the league does that, he didnt push at all, he just was checking how much space he had to make a move

omg dude, are you serious....you can cross the line in the and still get knocked backwards, its called forward progess which is what happened


as he made contact with the linebacker WHILE HE WAS IN THE AIR, he crossed the plain but was knocked back...please watch the play




edit: checkin to see how much room he had???? gimme a break, he pushed off in front the of the ref and thats why he got called for it

your a crazy steelers fan...if it was called short on the field and the steelers challenged it it would have stood short.. their wasnt even clear evident to over turn the call on the field.

I think the Steelers are going to play the Seahawks.... Steelers win by 14.




Damn I'm good....

^^ Yeah if you go by when he hit the ground then yeah it was not a TD. When he was in the air right at initial hit the tip of the ball side was bearly crossed the line. and thats all he needed.

No he didnt. I wanted the steelers to win and i know that wasnt even a TD.

As I said three pages ago...whatever it was called on the field was going to stand. Goalline reffing is flawed, when a ref has to run over from the sidelines to see where the ball is it isn't ever going to be an exact science. There is no indisputable evidence that shows squat. The pic you posted is after the fact, we CAN'T see where the ball is when his knee touches but can see he is going forward and gets hit back.
BY RULE that is a pushoff! I mean seriously! Be ****ed when it isn't called then! I didn't see Ward do it, but I wasn't looking for it, either.

It was a td...this coming from someone who could care less either way. The ball came so damn close to the line when ben was still in the air that there was no way they could overturn it on the replay. If it actually didn't cross then it only missed it by about a 1/4 inch which is impossible to tell from a camera view.

you know we can argue about this till the cows come home it wont change what happened, but it is fun though. :heh:

the point is bens HELMET went over the line but the ball didnt. he wasnt FLYING through the air, he did a little dive and got hit back, there was no forward progress at all.

all the ball has to do is touch the beginning of the white line....and that happened, it doesn't have to go into the endzone or anthing like that, it just has to barely break the white line