MB Quart has dropped a lot in quality compared to what they used to be, hence why they've been bounced around and RF recently sold them to maxxsonics. kenwood is not an "sq" company although i can agree that boston acoustics is.

similar (or better) subs for less:
soundsplinter 10" rl-i $169
these: http://www.oaudio.com/TC2_PLUS.html
adire audio shiva $158
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take a look at kenwoods 25th anversary stuff, and tell me there not a sq company.

link me?

regardless, one particular line does not make the whole company a sq company.

You guys have been so helpful with helping me find a great setup, I just thought I'd throw that out there. I appreciate all the posts you guys have made to make this an 8 page thread to help a noob out with his car audio/visual.

What are you guys' opinion on Alpine Type S, R, and X sub woofers??? I recently re-watched F&F with my brother for kicks, and we noticed something we never picked up on before... Alot of product name droppping. And not even good stuff either. I saw a pair of Type S subs (I think) in the back of "Torretto's RX7" and thought they looked pretty nice. I remembered someone mentioning that those were made by Alpine, and got the ol' curtiosity itch to research 'em, was just wandering what you experts have to say about them. Right now, I'm trying to find as many reviews on them as I can.

~Ryan

i heart type r's. well, not really, but they are a lot of fun. very good sub for the money. the type s, not so much. a friend of mine is doing a 149.xx with a single 10" type r, which is pretty amazing considering he bought the sub new for $107 and it still sounds decent. of course, when he's using his enclosure with which he's hitting the 149.xx, it's more of a one note wonder, but he's abused the hell out of it and it's still sounding good.

http://www.kenwoodusa.com/PDF/Car_Excelon_2005.pdf

its the first 4 items. also the 13" sub is the one i was talking about. the best all around sub that car audio mag has ever tested. i think kenwoods excelons stuff sounds great. again thats just me talking.

not a big fan of alpine. never have been. but alot of people are. i just cant figure out why.

I'm having huge trouble trying to find a suitable amp(s). I'm going to go with the Pioneer Premier DEH-770MP head, and a set of Alpine Type R subs (cant find any better reviews than these have) and I'm still looking, but am getting confident in purchasing a set of Pioneer Premier 6.5"s for the front and 6"x9"s for the rear. also going to get the Pioneer tweeters for the front. Now, I'm looking to run from my head, to my amp, and out to my speakers. I'm also looking to run from my head to a second amp and then to my subs. I just don't know what I should be looking at, RMS-wise or even brand-wise. I was looking into MTX amps, but apparently they're going down hill (as stated in another thread). I was also looking into MB Quart, JL, and even Pioneer and Alpine for amps, but I'm completely baffled.

Help?

~Ryan


PS... Specs.

Post make & model numbers or links to the items from the manuf sites.

hahaha, the best sub car audio mag has ever tested?
http://caraudiomag.com/testreports/0312cae_kenwood/
have you even read that article? i mean, 13mm xmax? brutal. 11.6 bl? again, not great. mms isn't bad, although a tad on the large side for my liking. all of this for the wonderful price tag of $850. i read the entire article. oddly enough, no mention of it being the best all around sub that car audio mag has ever tested. hell, just look at it's subjective scoring it got: 36/50. that's a "B" for those who aren't good with math ;)

i'm not trying to bust your balls, but you continuously mention that it's the best sub cam has ever tested and i just wanted to prove to others to take your info with a grain of salt.

Whoa... I'm like, not planning anything near that powerful... That's just insane in my book, ludacris even. I'm only looking to through 500w at each Type R, and that's "at most" I want.

~Ryan

The pioneer 6x9's are pretty good but why not go components all the way around the car. We all know 6x9's are not the best speaker to produce acoustic sounds. A set of 6 1/2 components all around would be a great sound and around the same price range. But if you are truly trying to go for sq I would not go with the pioneers they are harsh at loud volumes and don't produce the music well at max volumes. But if you are planning on listening to these speakers at a moderate volume then I would suggest them for there price range. Look into some Boston acoustic components you can find them around the same price range and better sound. But this is your car so do what you want experiment! I am sure whatever you wind up with you will love because it's going to be so much better then stock. As for the pioneer 770 I absolutely love that radio. It's a really good deck to run mp3's off of because of the mp3 list option. Alpine type-r subs have always rocked they just love to be thrown in any enclosure and sound great.

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_product_line.asp

theres bostons website. it wont hurt to check it out.

i will have a responce for you punkorama, its been a long day and right now all i want is some shut eye.

alrighty you have proved me wrong. the kenwood did not get the best rating ever in car audio mag. in that case it must have been car sterio mag. see if you can find a link to that because i cant. what i remember of the article is the guy saying that this was the best overall subwoofer he had ever reviewed. not in output but in overall sq. i read it man i swear to god i did.

yes i know your not looking for a sub that big or expensive. i was just trying to make a point about kenwood.

i gave you bostons website to check out there g2 subs. i have a pair of g5s and live them. my buddy has one g2 in his crx, and all i can say is wow. the good thing about boston is they sound awsome, you can get a g2 on ebay for about $110, they have a small rms, and they mount in 1 cubic ft. there worth looking into. i highly recomend them.

like i said, not trying to bust your balls, but even if it was another company, it proved my point perfectly: a magazine review is not something solid to go by.

anyways, good luck shopping around and update us when you've been able to at least get it narrowed down to definite decisions, lol.

I'm going to try my hardest to hear some Boston Accoustic speakers as soon as possible. You guys are making them sound like heaven, lol.

The only thing i am in need of, is suggestions for an amp. I'm looking for one 4-way for head and speakers, and one 2-way for head and subs. Since I'm planning on the Type R's, I really want to push like 400-500 watts to each amp, I read quite a few reviews that say these amps love the juice!

~Ryan

ryan buddy let me help you out here. you dont need amps to power you hu. you need them to both power your speakers and get really good sq. also you dont push power to an amp, you take power from it.

amps are about my weakest subject, so i really cant recomend any. well, probley not in your price range. no offence man. i would just stay away from kicker amps. also going cheap on amps scares me. it shouldnt but pushing 1000 watts out of a $50 amp from wal-mart doesnt give me the best feeling in the world. thats just a example i know they dont have 1000 watt amps for $50 at wal-mart.

on bostons website there is a store locater. type in your zip and they will give you the stores closest to you. then call the stores and see what they sell. i mean the full line or just a select few pieces of it. i hope i dont hype them up to much for you but i have never, nor has anyone i have ever talked to not liked boston. i take that back i had one idiot say boston sucked and his 2 xplods would kick the sh*t out of them. then i popped my trunk and he shut his mouth. the kid is retarted. any way you shouldnt be disapionted.

i know your not trying to bust my balls punkorama. its cool. you caught me on a mistake and called me out on it. thats cool to. just dont call me a liar and we should be just fine. it does show that mags are just as opinionated as people. and it all depends on the reviewer. good piont.

...Not yet at least...

I'm completely avoiding Kicker and Audiobahn amps at all costs. I was looking into Inifinity possibly MTX, but I don't get good feelings from them like I do the other components I've selected. I was thinking possibly some JL Audio amps, I've never heard anyone talk much about them.

~Ryan

i'm not sure why you would avoid kicker amps.... they're fairly famous for being underrated and good build quality, and the SX line is fairly attractive imo.

it's hard to pick out amps without knowing what subs you're going to get, because if you pick one company, they may not have an amp in their line that would do what you're looking for depending on which sub you were going with.

Hell, to be honest, I don't even know how to pick out an amp to match my subs. Right now, sub-wise, I'm wanting two 12" Alpine Type Rs, however, I may get two 10"s instead, seeing as alot of people say 10"s hit harder for rock, and since I'll have a controll on my head, I can turn it up for techno and stuff. Not too mention it will free up space for the tank in the back to support my future air-ride system.

A good friend reccomended I get a Kicker 2 thousand watt amp from CC, and if it blows, take it back with the warranty. However, I think I may just go with MTX amps, as I planned to begin with. I just want to throw as many watts as I can at these subs, seeing as alot of people say they sound amazing like that.

~Ryan

Getting stuff from Circuit is not as big of a rip off as people think because of the protection plan. Blow it up, and get new ones for free...simple as that. Only thing is doesn't cover is theft and personal damage. Other than that, you can pound on your stuff all day long, and if it blows just bring it back for new stuff within 2 or 4 years. If you ask me, it's not a scam at all. I don't get how they don't end up losing a crapload of money by doing this, but w/e. And this isn't b/c I work there, cuz it's not like I benefit at all if sutff is bought at a Circuit City in Cali or something, + we don't get any kind of comission anyway. My advice: get whatever stuff your interested that they actually carry at Circuit...get the extended protection plan on it...use it until you get sick of it...crank the hell out of it til something pops, fries, melts, messes up, etc...bring it back and get new stuff.