Yeah i was gonna say that too but i felt nice... (although my previous quotes say otherwise)

That car has been the basis for a lot of inspiration for me from time to time.

@ Spyhunter


yep it is indeed a sick ride.


but in my honest opinion. and the way i see it. I would say that your car has more potential. Your horsepower to torque ratio is a LOT better then his. Sure you have 120 HP less then he does on your motor, but your torque rating is the same. So if you were to reach his horsepower numbers but in your own way, your car would have a lot more torque and, as such, be faster.

So, for sh*ts and giggles, id like to see you push your project further. The results could be interesting.

Interesting thread, and a pretty bad ass car too. Check outpost 73 on page 5 though by this guy "n-body". Apparently now Spy lives on the west cost and has an automatic transmission now. lol

Oh and as for inspiration

I have to say, since ive joined this website and read your posts, we could say you have become my inspiration lol..

Inspiration to find myself some budget and build a high powered V6 alero to to take the crown away from that 4 banger of yours :P hehe


I've already got ideas of what i need to do. I just need some funding, which im working on of course, not easy when your a college student lol.

Spy does live on the West Coast!? lol

hey dont diss automatic transmitions.

when you face terrible traffic like in my area, you thank your lucky stars your driving an automatic LOL.

West Coast asploded manual tranny crew!



Spy leading member of jackstand racing 2008.

I got my jackstand racer right here. Complete with a junk motor being stored in the engine bay, and a getrag in the trunk.

my eyes, they bleed!

yea i messed up the lingo, my bad. im an :asshat

what's all this about size and fighting? Who cares. I don't waste my time on these things. I get paid to do worse than fight.

spy, I owned up to that, and I also told you, that crap was meant to stir up the Aleromod folks to get some courage up and try for the challenge. Had to use names they know. That still stands.

So who's the speculation for the most likely contender so far? Inquiring minds wanna know :D

I nominate my setup as a likely contender.

I second his nomination.

My car will not be in the running...well at least not by my hand. ;)

both blackjack and I when running will be strong contenders, although his will probably be running much before mine, but i have been toying with just completing the bottom end and then doing a direct port 200 shot just to take the prize, we'll see........

i seen that car last year at carlisle and it was sweet as h3ll and sounded awsome!

Dont do it just to get the prize, keep on going with that whipple. I could throw a big ass shot in my motor right now, but that ruins the competition aspect of it. The original idea of this contest was to inspire some more people to mod their cars to levels rivaling spy, schweppe, aarongtr and the like. As well as the advancement of the grand am and 3x00 aftermarket to keep these cars around longer.

i QUALIFY IN ALL AREAS AND I SHOULD DEFINATELY SHOULD BE IN THE 12'S THIS SEASON, BUT I DUNNO IF IM GOING TO BE THE FIRST?? TRACK OPENS 3-7-08, I GUESS WE WILL SEE THOUGH??

I think you have time. Not to many people are stepping it up all that fast.

Good luck, mod list?

*MMS P&P Upper and Lower Intake Manifolds
*MMS 65mm TB
*MMS Chromoly Pushrods
*MMS 42.5lb injectors
*MMS Billet Trans Mount
HP Tuners
HP Turbo Manifolds (Old Version)
ALL TURBO PIPING AND EXHAUST DONE BY ME..
Stock MAF (Blow through)
T3/60-1 Garrett Turbo, 63AR Hot, 70AR Compressor (Wet Floating)
Tial 38mm Wastegate
Greddy RS BOV
NGK TR6 Spark Plugs
Taylor 8mm spark plug wires
MSD coil packs
Snow Performance Meth/Water injection
NX Intercooler Spray Bar
Precision Turbo A-A Intercooler
3" from turbo to Flowmaster 40's catback, SLP Tips
Turbo XS 2-Stage boost controller (7 AND 10PSI)
Autometer Sport Comp Gauges

ONLY RUNNING 7PSI RIGHT NOW BUT IM GOING TO UP IT TO 10-11PSI AND TAKE IT BACK AND GET IT FINE TUNED, WITH THE METHANOL.. AND SPRAY BAR FOR S**TS.. I WILL BE RUNNING QTP SLICKS ALSO.. HOPEFULLY RUN A 12 IF I CAN HOOK..

Id say that is about high 12s low 13s territory for sure. Heads and a cam would help you out a lot as well im sure. I think schweppes 12 sec run was on 11ish lbs of boost. Your best is around a 13.4 isnt it? Build up that motor a little more with some rods, pistons, heads and a cam. I could see you hitting 11s with all of that and slicks+ a trans that wont explode.

Yeh im worried about the trans but 1 or 2 passes and ill be ready to pack it up cause ive flirted with enough disaster.. Business is slow at toyota so when it picks up i already have a build sheet and hoping it puts me at a 12.0 or high 11's?? ~400whp?? Just guessing..

remember you have to back up your run, and have visuals of everything.

Fixed for ya. ;) Milzy doesn't make the injectors and TB. He's a reseller of those items. Anyway, I'd ditch the stock MAF for an LS1. Even at 7psi it's going to be a restriction and if you're upping the boost it may even max out the stock MAF. Milzy can load the LS1 MAF table to your pcm for you.

At 10+ psi you'll definitely make some nice power, and its possible trans won't break, but it will definitely be slipping. The clutches won't hold even one run at that power level. Because of that, I definitely would NOT use slicks! Without the upgraded clutch plates and LSD you will not be able to put down the power to take advantage of slicks and you'll just be more likely to break something. Drag radials should be enough.

Agreed. Once it happens it will be interesting though.

Dont worry i will.. I drive it to work everyday and i have full interior also, with a/c, with me in it and a 1/4 tank i belive its 3540lbs? I cranked the boost up to 10-11psi today with the meth injection and well, yeh i think i wounded the clutches a litte bit so no more rompin till the track.. I have spots marked, round about, a 1/4 mile mark and i was +107mph trap.. spinning :) I do want a little softer tread though cause the g-force sports spin badly. Ill try the qtp slicks @ 34-38psi and lower the t.p. as necessary.. I challenged my friend with a auto 2006 mustang gt to race me so it should be a a decent vid. and if i dont hit 12's ill be real close or ill have a vid of a gagt blowing his tranny out at the track :D

Please be carefull, it's easy to mistake tire spin and clutch slippage if you're not familiar with it.

I definitely don't want you to smoke your trans. That's a big ouch on the wallet, trust me on that one :)

With his power level it's just a matter of time before the trans goes anyway. It's inevitable.

It slips worst on the shifts. It will feel normal during part throttle driving, but if you're at WOT and hold it during shifts (like in a racing situation), it will shift into the next gear and seem to hang there for a bit before it accelerates but the engine will be up around 4-5000 rpm. The clutches just slip and let the engine spin and waste all your power until they finally grab and then you only get about 1000 rpm of usable acceleration.

Thats exactly what happened to me. I went from 190whp to 235whp but my track times stayed the same. I had more power in a single gear pull on the dyno, but the extra power was wasted and time lost on every shift.

and this is where torque management settings come in really nicely. Might not have that problem quite as bad (you'll still have some on stock clutches) if you increase line pressures to max on the upshift, decrease shift time, and drop the timing a couple of degrees on the upshift point. (said the guy that already burnt his transmission up...hahaha).

I know this will be my second blown tranny if it goes :)
Look at my cardomain (rambizzle in search) and you can see my od clutches..

I already had my transmission settings reprogrammed by DHP during that time and the clutches still burnt up. There is a limit to how much line pressure you can run. Bottom line is, stock clutches can't hold the torque.

Ive got a suggestion for this contest in order to make it more fair IMO. Right now its the first person that can get to a track and run a couple of documented 12sec passes.

I say it should be the same requirements as far as verification, but the fastest time at the end of the season or predetermined deadline is the winner. It gives some more people a chance to get in on the action and have a fair chance at the title and pot.

Yeah i think i was like 10.5-11psi on my 12.6 runs...turns out fuel pump was running out on those runs though died a few days later. Replaced with a walbro and got the thing tuned for 14 psi...

ya but your car is slow :p

Hey man, long time no see. Hows the car running anyway? Haven't heard anything in a while.

Wow, schweppe is here! Is your car still in one piece?

Are you still running stock pistons??

Interesting...... however, I will say people have had plenty of time to get something put together to compete.

It is a nice suggestion.

It would have to go to a vote.

Anybody else interested in having the rewards awarded at the end of the year? To the fastest guy doing 12's or better?

I honestly think it will make for better competition, allowing some people to get in a little later in the game. Even though tracks are open by april in most places, people have other obligations that come before their car and making it to a drag strip. Fastest verified time takes the pot and the bragging rights.