that probably wouldn't happen till spring anyway.
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perfect!

That's just stupidity talking right there. No human being can control a car as well as properly programmed ABS and traction control in bad conditions. We simply don't have the sensitivity, senses, and reaction speed of a computer system.

this guy can lol
http://www.nextgg.com/forum/gallery/...ge&pic_id=1738

:D

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:D

Awesome! have you done a 0-60 yet?

Even talented and professionally trained drivers can become surprised and lose control. So even if you're Mark Stielow with mudflaps, when you're juggling a McTaco Supreme in one hand and arguing on the phone with your wife/girlfriend/bookie/whatever and trying to listen to the weather and traffic report guy on the radio and you're coming around a corner and the FedUps truck in front of you starts to jack knife and you drop your McTaco in your crotch and your bookie is yelling WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU DOING LAST SATURDAY?? and you overcorrect and now the speeding Chevy Subdivision that was tailgating you is zipping by sideways outside your side window, those electronics may well be the difference between a good story to tell at the bar later on versus wild off-road tilt-a-whirl impression that culminates in meeting a few friendly EMTs.

I don't understand this juxtaposition wherein hi tech smartphones and power tools and what not are manly, but ABS and ESC are somehow emasculating.

Sorry Chaos, nothing personal, I just felt a good rant coming on and you happened to be there.

Weird Jake

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps1de17ba7.jpg

just saw that a couple weeks ago, one of the new gen camaros that I really liked. :applause:

Maybe.... :devil:

There was one other white one near me for sale that had that kit but it was half black/white and it was soooo badass but he wanted 2 grand more for his car than I paid for mine, and mine has 9,xxx miles and his had 18,xxx so I passed.

I like the color combo dude, nice!





My .02 from the abs/trac talk---> FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE rely on "oh my car does ____________" than drive carefully, and actually pay attention to what they're doing. That's my main complaint, knowing how to do it is a big problem, too many drivers don't, and just use the car's system to assumedly override their lack of skill.

This is very true, kind of like the 'invincible' perception when driving a 4WD.

lol true man, my truck is a 2wd!!!
man, maybe I just have a superiority complex, looks that way anywho :D

4WheelDrive doesn't mean 4WheelStop

Still wouldn't mind having AWD. Seen many STi's pulling cars out of the snow.

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Stoopid snow

As for the assists, the traction control systems in these cars suck. ABS won't save a car from a spin, you're thinking about stability control.

Plus, I've been in the sort of situation where my car spun in the snow, on an un plowed highway with traffic. I knew the limits of my Grand Am, I knew what it would do pushed beyond its limits. When I hit a small snow drift in the road, I felt the back want to come around.

Sure enough, it does. I didn't even panic, despite the car spinning 180 degrees and now facing the car behind me. Front wheel drive cars being so nose heavy, I turned the wheel to the right and the car swung back around 180 degrees. Because of the speed I was going, the engine was cut out, but I was still able to slap it in neutral and pull over.

If you know how to drive, you don't need assists like that.

Some james bond **** right there

Practice doing reverse J-turns in big enough parking lots, panic situations like that won't end with an accident.

For all the hours I spent messing around in huge empty parking lots during the winter with the GAGT, I found the limits of the car and went beyond them to see what it would do. My favorite lot to go to was at the Sears Auto I used to work at. Just a HUGE open space, could get up to 45mph without worry of curbs or light poles. Just yanking the e-brake and seeing how long I could keep a drift was fun. lol

Speaking of snowy parking lot fun, it snowed a good amount yesterday, decided to find a lot and see how the Honda is. The Accord weighs 105lbs less than the GA, different e-brake system (spring loaded caliper versus the GA's spring loaded drum setup) so the back wheels lock up quicker and harder, meaning the car will spin more than the GAGT did. After about an hour, I got used to it. Having much less torque and a stronger e-brake, my mindset for the GAGT's way of driving just wasn't gonna work. But the only lot I found wasn't that big, only got up to 20mph.

It's snowing again today, I may head out to that Sears lot to tonight to really get a feel for what the Honda is like. Plus, it's fun! I know the cops out in that precinct, they honestly don't mind if its just a few cars. As they've told me, they'd rather see people mess around in an empty lot rather than on public roads.

Reminds me of a time when I was in the air force, in texas driving a rented honda with 2 others hit black ice faced one ditch did a 180 faced the other then straighted back and kept going, the others were ****ting themselves and afterword said they were very glad I was from North Dakota lol

Awesome. As long as you're calm and collected during a situation like that and you're familiar with your car, you can get out of most bad situations like that.

I totally agree the trac control blows in the GA, it's why it's parked and the no assist truck is out flying around like there's no tomorrow. I always felt it was due to so many years of driving a box truck with duals and all weather (crap tires, which are the worst thing to drive, they're helpless but that's another story lol) for so long, the fwd just feels wrong to me in slick weather.

But, in general, the traction control/abs/stability control system of the new vehicles works pretty decent, the 4wd(all time auto or manual 4wd mode) borrego(built on truck frame) had all that, and with it on, the thing was pretty capable...with it off, it was ALL OVER THE PLACE. The FWD Sorento(car build) has all it, and it can't get itself out of anywhere to save it's own as$...

My traction control is fine. Dunno whats wrong with yalls.

driven anything else with it?

it blows

Well I'm going to tuneup my car this month, probably next week. My car has 101k and I have no clue what the pervious owner did so my car is long over due for a tuneup. I've been reading around and from my understanding, AcDelco/NGK platinum or iridium plugs are the way to go. I'm probably going to go ahead and use AcDelco iridium plugs for my car, is this the best route to go?

yep Scott, the Iridiums are the OEM replacement, there are some people who are much more in favor of the iridium laser, I just have the IX i think they are, had no issues with them.


*Waiting for Tanner to tell me my opinion is wrong lol *

might be personal preference but NGK's are my iridium of choice

Traction control is a hinderance in the GA. It utilizes the ignition/fuel system to "slow" the wheel spin, so the car just bogs down and does more harm than good. Screw that noise. Turn it off and learn how to actually drive without it.

OEM is iridium, in fact the plugs are made by NGK. They're just sold with AC Delco labels.

Yeah NGK=AcDelco when it comes to these plugs. I'll go iridium. If it's easy enough I may just do it today.

(I am just busting an you again Tanner)


Chaos, what's the difference between the IX and Laser variety though? the Guru over on the other site had it down pat, but I couldn't find it on there if I had to. I know there are differences from what all he had dug up, I don't remember what they are tho

Scott---the extension and a knuckle really help with the rear, but if you've changed plugs in a FWD before, you won't have any issue, it's just changing plugs

I know how to drive. Just because I said mine works fine doesn't mean I rely on it or make sure I drive like a jackass so that it turns on.


Dunno what you're on about coop

We haven't busted on each other for a while, I'm feeling neglected :D

just drink coop you'll feel better ;)

^That

and I drive better then most in the snow. People where going 10mph Friday night when that snow "storm" hit and I was going past them at atleast 40. Not being unsafe at all, I knew the capabilities of myself and my car. It was literally not that bad out there. Someone flashed their lights at me as I drove past them, shoulda flicked them off. Either was flashed because I was "going to fast" or drove to close to them while driving past them. Fact of the matter is I wasn't going fast and he was in my lane hovering over the centerline. Don't see how hard it is for people to know where lanes are even if the snow has it all covered. Cannot stand when people either drive slow when its not necessary or are flying over the speed limit in a hurry to get somewhere.

I know people will say "I know the capabilities of blah blah blah" and then you'll see once you get in a wreck. Fact is I'm here and fine without any slips or slides.

probably busy on their phone not paying attention. i can understand not seeing lanes under snow, but those jackoffs can't find them in broad daylight with their headlights (on high beam) on lol

Should I change the wires while I'm at it?

I personally did, I went with the iridium IX, new wires, and a coil, one of them was rusted. figure it has almost at 100K, I hadn't done them, so went ahead and did it.

I also changed antifreeze too, had the car for about 30K miles at that point, didn't know when it had been done last. It was right before I headed to MN to meet Fabs to get the WS6 hood, so I went to make sure I had given myself the best chance possible lol

Oh ok well I've recently done the following:


Major things i've done in the last year:
-All new brakes (Front and rear, all new calipers, all new rotors, all new pads, SS lines, new parking brake cables, brake fluid flush)
-New sway bars front and rear (SpeedBuilt) with new bushings and all.
-New IAC
-New TPS
-New OEM GM coolant reservoir
-Coolant Flush with Dexcool
-Transmission Flush with Dexron
-New Fuel Pump and Fuel Filter
-All new Motor mounts and All new Transmission mounts
-All new Tires

My car has been getting really poor gas mileage and preforming poorly so I think it's time for the tune up especially at this mileage. I got the car with 83k on it and I'm now at 101k, I drive it, I'm not like sleepy. lol

For spark plug wires, what brand do you recommend to replace them with?

http://customgrandam.com/taylor.htm

Or is it really irrelevant?

I didn't buy the cheap store brand stuff, I got whatever it is that O'Reilly carries that was their best on hand stuff, IIRC they were 8mm, silicone. I was taking a road trip, so I didn't opt for waiting on order in. They're 3 years old now, plus a few months, and mine doesn't get a ton of miles on it, but they've been just fine for me

yep do this NOW coop it works for me..