newbie just saying hi

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 05:42 PM

hi my name is michael krusmark and i am from theilman, mn. i go to rctc in rochester, mn. and am starting on a 02 grand am gt project. i just need some info and insight. i am wanting to put a 3.4l DOHC in a run a five speed, and then if it will work i want to put a supercharger from a 3.8l on it in the future. i have alot of intelligence on superchargers, and suspension. but i don't know about any of the performance parts for the 3.4l

Rich · 10-07-2008, 05:52 PM

if you want the 3.4 DOHC why not just buy a monte Z34 and go from there? seems silly to do all that work for really no reason. you can throw a 5 or 6 speed onto the 3400 and turbo it. anyway, i dont think this board would be good to get info for the DOHC because no one here has that engine.

though, one of our sponsors does have some parts for said engine.

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/

Elderas · 10-07-2008, 06:50 PM

keep ur eco or 2.4 and boost it, ull make more power and have less headaches probably spend less too

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 07:29 PM

ok thanks for the info but i just wanted to do something that no one else has. i don't know what kind of six speed fits in the car and what kind of cv shafts does it use? what about just using a stock 3.4l and then using a 3.8l supercharger? i don't like side mount supers because you still have a little bit of turbo lag.

Rosado · 10-07-2008, 07:55 PM

Better to take the little bit of lag instead of headachs. IIRC you can not use a charger from a 3.8 on a 3.4. Totally diffrent motors. Someone already did a 3.8 SC in a grand am already.
There is also a 5 speed running around on the boards already..
There is also a LS1 V8 in one too, incase you decided to do something like that. Work with what you have. Less cash and time.

GL

Nick-G · 10-07-2008, 07:56 PM

A 3800 sc will not fit on the 3400. Their is only one sc available for this engine and they only made 18 of them (pic in my avatar). Also their is no lag at all with these blowers the air only has to travel a few inches farther than it would if it was mounted right on the manifold.

Rich · 10-07-2008, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02DOHC

ok thanks for the info but i just wanted to do something that no one else has. i don't know what kind of six speed fits in the car and what kind of cv shafts does it use? what about just using a stock 3.4l and then using a 3.8l supercharger? i don't like side mount supers because you still have a little bit of turbo lag.

HOW TO: Intstall a 6 speed in a GA GT

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 08:06 PM

about the supercharger not fitting- ot a problem i hace guys that can cast an intake and i can make a custom intake on cadd. that is not the problem. and about the lag, a side mount supercharger creates boost exponentionally, and twin screw or a roots blower makes a predetermined amount of boost before a side mount will, because if you make a side mount create as much boost down low in rpm like the other ones then it will go into "surge"(which happens to over spooled turbos) and it will not make the power or keep the intake temp low. does anyone know about the six speed. make kind of tranny is it? thanks for the info

Rosado · 10-07-2008, 08:17 PM

Well if your going to cad and build a custom intake, I have a question for you.
What is it that you are trying or want to accomplish?

The tranny I belive is from a G6.

Nick-G · 10-07-2008, 08:24 PM

Its not the intake that's the problem people have done their own before. The problem is that the 3800 is a 90* engine and the 3400 is a 60* engine which means the 3400 is a lot taller than the 3800. If you want to mount a 3800 sc on this car prepare to cut a huge whole in your hood to make it work.

Their are much better ways of making this car go fast though IMO putting a 3800 sc on it is just a waist.

Also I have driven around quite a bit with my grand am supercharged and their is no lag at all with the m62. Compared to my parents 07 gtp their is no difference at all.

Anyways what kind of power are you looking to get out of your car? Depending on what you want a supercharger is not the way to go.

3800 =

Rich · 10-07-2008, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02DOHC

does anyone know about the six speed. make kind of tranny is it? thanks for the info

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosado

The tranny I belive is from a G6.

yep.

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 09:14 PM

yes the m62 is the way to go, sorry i wasn't trying to rip on someone that has a intake mounted super, but i do'nt like the rsm side mount one. there is no lag with the m62. and about the 3.8 super swap to 3.4. the hood thing was one of the things that i was looking for, now that i know the hood clearance will not work then i will have to find another way to do this. is your intake super intercooled or not. the only other thing that i wnated to know is if the 3.4l DOHC motor will fit between the front and back of the engine bay. on the supercharger thing i could see if i could maybe mount a twin screw down in the lifter valley. i have seen that before, but that could only be with the 3.4l DOHC. what are your guy's opinion

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 09:16 PM

oh and does that tranny just bolt in or does it take modifying, just wanting to know how much time it might take before i get in deep

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 09:19 PM

i have a question for rosado. where and what baer brake kit do you have and where did you get it? cost?

Rich · 10-07-2008, 09:22 PM

as far as i know, no one has done the 3.4 swap so that might be some uncharted territory. id email/pm milzy. he works with both engines so id think hed know.

i think most people would say stick with the 3400. going turbo would be learning something knew. or try to make some SC setup work with it.

as far as the baer brakes, i think he got them from www.pfyc.com but they dont sell them anymore. you might be able to get them directly from baer. there are some cheaper options tho:

http://www.mpracing.org/store/index....ewCat&catId=66

02DOHC · 10-07-2008, 09:28 PM

thanks rich. i will see if i can get a hold of him. i have delt with turbos and superchargers and nitrous all my life. i come from a long line of engine builders and general mechanics, making an engine make power is nothing i just wanted something different. and for the brakes does the corvette brakes bolt right one or not? and i heard something about using camaro stuff for the rear well i have a third gen camaro and if the parts work then that would be cool

Rich · 10-07-2008, 09:45 PM

ah, you said you knew a lot about superchargers. i think a V8 or something would be more different than the 3.4.

HOW-TO Install Corvette brakes on a 99+ GA

that should answer most of your questions. theres tons of info around here. take a look around.

eve · 10-07-2008, 10:27 PM

Hi Bewbie.

Elderas · 10-08-2008, 02:14 AM

one of our sponsors offers a big brake upgrade i cant remeber who tho

might be Mpracing. its not baer tho

PhantomLover007 · 10-08-2008, 05:35 AM

^^^ It's MPRacing.

10-07-2008, 05:42 PM	#1
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	newbie just saying hi hi my name is michael krusmark and i am from theilman, mn. i go to rctc in rochester, mn. and am starting on a 02 grand am gt project. i just need some info and insight. i am wanting to put a 3.4l DOHC in a run a five speed, and then if it will work i want to put a supercharger from a 3.8l on it in the future. i have alot of intelligence on superchargers, and suspension. but i don't know about any of the performance parts for the 3.4l

10-07-2008, 05:52 PM	#2
Rich Moderator AKA: Rich Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toledo, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,513 Vehicle: 2001 2.4 Grand Am	if you want the 3.4 DOHC why not just buy a monte Z34 and go from there? seems silly to do all that work for really no reason. you can throw a 5 or 6 speed onto the 3400 and turbo it. anyway, i dont think this board would be good to get info for the DOHC because no one here has that engine. though, one of our sponsors does have some parts for said engine. http://www.milzymotorsports.com/ __________________ "The news isn't so depressing when you're surrounded by bubbles." fquick

10-07-2008, 06:50 PM	#3
Elderas It's Finnaly Melting AKA: Raz Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Calgary, Alberta Age: 35 Posts: 1,240 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE	keep ur eco or 2.4 and boost it, ull make more power and have less headaches probably spend less too __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2915923

10-07-2008, 07:55 PM	#5
Rosado GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Chris Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Staten Island Posts: 1,188 Vehicle: 2003 Grand Am Gt Coupe	Better to take the little bit of lag instead of headachs. IIRC you can not use a charger from a 3.8 on a 3.4. Totally diffrent motors. Someone already did a 3.8 SC in a grand am already. There is also a 5 speed running around on the boards already.. There is also a LS1 V8 in one too, incase you decided to do something like that. Work with what you have. Less cash and time. GL __________________ 2003 GT Baer big brake kit, RK Sport Body kit, @0 inch ADV5.1 wheels, Borla cat back <---My new wheels.....ADV5.1....FOR SALE... SYSTEM The Big 3 upgrade, Yellow top Optima Kenwood 8120 headunit - bluetooth - sirus sat- ipod *HERTZ audio* HI Energy HT25 center channel HSK 165XL comp doors HSK 165 comp rear 3 8inch hertz subwoofers 6th order bandpass box HP 4 Amplifier HP 1 D EP4 Car running 100% active *www.hertzaudiovideo.com*

10-07-2008, 07:56 PM	#6
Nick-G Boost Addict AKA: Nick Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: St Cloud, Minnesota Age: 31 Posts: 1,290 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT V6	A 3800 sc will not fit on the 3400. Their is only one sc available for this engine and they only made 18 of them (pic in my avatar). Also their is no lag at all with these blowers the air only has to travel a few inches farther than it would if it was mounted right on the manifold. __________________ BUILT Turbo 3400/4t65e-HD powered Grand AM in the making. ---------------------------------- www.motorsportsevolved.com Get updates on Facebook ----------------------------------

10-07-2008, 07:29 PM	#4
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	ok thanks for the info but i just wanted to do something that no one else has. i don't know what kind of six speed fits in the car and what kind of cv shafts does it use? what about just using a stock 3.4l and then using a 3.8l supercharger? i don't like side mount supers because you still have a little bit of turbo lag.

10-07-2008, 08:06 PM	#8
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	about the supercharger not fitting- ot a problem i hace guys that can cast an intake and i can make a custom intake on cadd. that is not the problem. and about the lag, a side mount supercharger creates boost exponentionally, and twin screw or a roots blower makes a predetermined amount of boost before a side mount will, because if you make a side mount create as much boost down low in rpm like the other ones then it will go into "surge"(which happens to over spooled turbos) and it will not make the power or keep the intake temp low. does anyone know about the six speed. make kind of tranny is it? thanks for the info

10-07-2008, 08:17 PM	#9
Rosado GAGT - Senior Member AKA: Chris Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Staten Island Posts: 1,188 Vehicle: 2003 Grand Am Gt Coupe	Well if your going to cad and build a custom intake, I have a question for you. What is it that you are trying or want to accomplish? The tranny I belive is from a G6. __________________ 2003 GT Baer big brake kit, RK Sport Body kit, @0 inch ADV5.1 wheels, Borla cat back <---My new wheels.....ADV5.1....FOR SALE... SYSTEM The Big 3 upgrade, Yellow top Optima Kenwood 8120 headunit - bluetooth - sirus sat- ipod *HERTZ audio* HI Energy HT25 center channel HSK 165XL comp doors HSK 165 comp rear 3 8inch hertz subwoofers 6th order bandpass box HP 4 Amplifier HP 1 D EP4 Car running 100% active *www.hertzaudiovideo.com*

10-07-2008, 08:24 PM	#10
Nick-G Boost Addict AKA: Nick Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: St Cloud, Minnesota Age: 31 Posts: 1,290 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am GT V6	Its not the intake that's the problem people have done their own before. The problem is that the 3800 is a 90* engine and the 3400 is a 60* engine which means the 3400 is a lot taller than the 3800. If you want to mount a 3800 sc on this car prepare to cut a huge whole in your hood to make it work. Their are much better ways of making this car go fast though IMO putting a 3800 sc on it is just a waist. Also I have driven around quite a bit with my grand am supercharged and their is no lag at all with the m62. Compared to my parents 07 gtp their is no difference at all. Anyways what kind of power are you looking to get out of your car? Depending on what you want a supercharger is not the way to go. 3800 = __________________ BUILT Turbo 3400/4t65e-HD powered Grand AM in the making. ---------------------------------- www.motorsportsevolved.com Get updates on Facebook ----------------------------------

10-07-2008, 09:14 PM	#12
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	yes the m62 is the way to go, sorry i wasn't trying to rip on someone that has a intake mounted super, but i do'nt like the rsm side mount one. there is no lag with the m62. and about the 3.8 super swap to 3.4. the hood thing was one of the things that i was looking for, now that i know the hood clearance will not work then i will have to find another way to do this. is your intake super intercooled or not. the only other thing that i wnated to know is if the 3.4l DOHC motor will fit between the front and back of the engine bay. on the supercharger thing i could see if i could maybe mount a twin screw down in the lifter valley. i have seen that before, but that could only be with the 3.4l DOHC. what are your guy's opinion

10-07-2008, 09:16 PM	#13
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	oh and does that tranny just bolt in or does it take modifying, just wanting to know how much time it might take before i get in deep

10-07-2008, 09:19 PM	#14
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	i have a question for rosado. where and what baer brake kit do you have and where did you get it? cost?

10-07-2008, 09:22 PM	#15
Rich Moderator AKA: Rich Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toledo, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,513 Vehicle: 2001 2.4 Grand Am	as far as i know, no one has done the 3.4 swap so that might be some uncharted territory. id email/pm milzy. he works with both engines so id think hed know. i think most people would say stick with the 3400. going turbo would be learning something knew. or try to make some SC setup work with it. as far as the baer brakes, i think he got them from www.pfyc.com but they dont sell them anymore. you might be able to get them directly from baer. there are some cheaper options tho: http://www.mpracing.org/store/index....ewCat&catId=66 __________________ "The news isn't so depressing when you're surrounded by bubbles." fquick

10-07-2008, 09:28 PM	#16
02DOHC GAGT - Member AKA: michael Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: theilman, mn Posts: 49 Vehicle: 02 grand am gt coupe	thanks rich. i will see if i can get a hold of him. i have delt with turbos and superchargers and nitrous all my life. i come from a long line of engine builders and general mechanics, making an engine make power is nothing i just wanted something different. and for the brakes does the corvette brakes bolt right one or not? and i heard something about using camaro stuff for the rear well i have a third gen camaro and if the parts work then that would be cool

10-07-2008, 09:45 PM	#17
Rich Moderator AKA: Rich Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toledo, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,513 Vehicle: 2001 2.4 Grand Am	ah, you said you knew a lot about superchargers. i think a V8 or something would be more different than the 3.4. HOW-TO Install Corvette brakes on a 99+ GA that should answer most of your questions. theres tons of info around here. take a look around. __________________ "The news isn't so depressing when you're surrounded by bubbles." fquick

10-07-2008, 10:27 PM	#18
eve . AKA: - Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: - Posts: 115 Vehicle: -	Hi Bewbie.

10-08-2008, 02:14 AM	#19
Elderas It's Finnaly Melting AKA: Raz Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Calgary, Alberta Age: 35 Posts: 1,240 Vehicle: 2002 Grand Am SE	one of our sponsors offers a big brake upgrade i cant remeber who tho might be Mpracing. its not baer tho __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2915923