Remote Mount Turbo Project - Page 7

3800SII · 11-28-2008, 10:06 AM

Yup! You know your stuff! It was a band-aid fix that the 3800 powered F-Bodys, Grand Prixs (and turbo Buick Regals) guys used before mail order tunes and HPT got involved. I can admit that it worked far better on my Firebird than it does the Grand Am! I have been trying to lean out the injectors for some time now until I finish the FI kit. I am really going through gas more because the weather is cold.

Shock24Z · 11-28-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 3800SII

Now please keep in mind that a standard Garrett with a .63 on the hot side was on my Firebird 3800 motor. I was getting boost by about 3500 RPMS without wrapping the exhaust or the turbo blanket.

What compressor did you use?

3800SII · 11-28-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Shock24Z

What compressor did you use?

The compressor side is only .50

3800SII · 12-03-2008, 11:37 PM

Ok, I got the intercooler piping worked out well...in fact the car is now breathing through it with no airfilter, HA! It is routed to the passenger side, but I will have to start working on the charge piping from the compressor to the front passenger side. I have not finalized a design yet. As you can tell from the pic, the air temperature sender is mounted across from the BOV...

I did leave out some details. I forgot to mention that you will need to trim some of the plastic from the winshield washer resevoir, and you will also need to cut off the thin metal bracket that holds the bottom part of the air cleaner assembly. This is all depending on how your bends are made. Sorry, but I did not get a pic of that.

3800SII · 12-03-2008, 11:54 PM

Here is the "meat" of the exhaust piping that I began tonight! It took me almost a whole hour to sand and scrub the rust off this thing so that I could start painting and wrapping it up! I used a can of black VHT, a can of DEI silicone spray, some old exhaust wrap that was leftover from my Firebird project, and stainless locking ties if you can see from the pic. I stuck a heat gun inside the pipe so that it could dry alot faster.

Here is the "finished" product... This is what happens when you run out of exhaust wrap by about a foot. I will finish the bottom part later.

On the car and ready to drive, I have two more small sections of piping to work on which near the CAT and muffler..

And before anybody starts whining about the silver foil on the pipe, Here is the explanation: This is aluminzed tape that will help keep more of the heat in and moisture out! The principle is no different than you baking a turkey in foil in the oven. Even heating (and more of itI just know that somebody is gonna throw some gas on me, but I brought my flamesuit!

Shock24Z · 12-05-2008, 10:24 PM

Function over form

cardude007617 · 12-05-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shock24Z

Function over form

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lookin good, when do you think you will have this finished?

3800SII · 12-05-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

x90840932842234
lookin good, when do you think you will have this finished?

Well, I should have it finished by the end of this month. The problem is that I have to drive it everyday so I am piecing it together one part at a time.

To make matters worse my father backed his stupid mini van into the driver's door
and made a nice sideswipe streak on it! I will have to hurry up and finish it before
taking it to the body shop for repairs and paint to the door! I guess that I just can't win.

I will be back at the muffler shop early tomorrow to have them help mount the
charge piping.

3800SII · 12-13-2008, 01:34 PM

CHARGE PIPING COMPLETE!!!!

Gentlemen, I would have had this finished today, but the guys at the muffler shop are a bunch of SCRUBS! They worked on everyone elses car and only did half of mine.

At least the charge pipes were completed. Here is what they cosist of..

Aluminized 2 inch piping, Silicone connectors, flexible exhaust repair pipe (4 feet aroud the wheel well) and 2 inch radiator hoses. I went the cheap route, but I know for a fact that radiator hose (while not reccommended) works really, really good for charge pipe couplers

The wanted to go with a silicone piece around the wheel well, but nobody makes one that big. The flex pipe works wonders, and it wont'leak. The splash panels still fit into place with ease. You really can't tell they are there. I will have them painted black like the rest of the car in a little while... Enjoy the pics...

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[IMG]http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/3800SERIESII/1229198824.jpg]

The muffler and turbo will be joined together next weekend. I am going to cut everything off on Friday night and have all the parts ready to be rewelded so that I won't have to waste any more time like today.

gaowners32 · 12-13-2008, 04:59 PM

Cool.... So your not going to have any problems with bottoming out?

3800SII · 12-13-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gaowners32

Cool.... So your not going to have any problems with bottoming out?

Absoluetly zero! The only way to damage the charge pipe will be to back the car off a curb while turning the wheels... I would have to be a complete retard to hang the car up like that. I was pretty much amazed (so was the welding tech)
at how completely unnoticeable the kit was. If you look at the last pic you can see that the rubber hose goes over the control arm (or axle I think). We took turns moving the chassis up and down on the lift to make sure that no moving parts would damage the charge piping...

Irate · 12-13-2008, 11:59 PM

awesome progress! Videos on youtube (upon completion) or ban!!

cardude007617 · 12-14-2008, 12:54 AM

looks like "stock". good work man, im anxious to see how well this works

3800SII · 12-14-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IrateSpeed6

awesome progress! Videos on youtube (upon completion) or ban!!

Now that is funny! But if I go to YouTube then everybody will know who I am.
Where is the secret in hiding the turbo? Cat will be totally out of the bag!

3800SII · 12-14-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cardude007617

looks like "stock". good work man, im anxious to see how well this works

That is my whole goal! I already know that it will work, but I am hoping that it will work as good as the rear turbo kit that I had on my Firebird. I had so many exhaust leaks and the kit bottomed out o just about everything. Funny part was that the Firebird would still haul ass.

On this project, I took my time, made many, many calculated measurements, and I have been driving the car consistently to ensure that the hot and cold parts do not interfere with any aspect of daily driving. There are zero leaks so performance should be up to par with a standard STS turbo system that you would shell out $4 grand! Performance wise, I am hoping to get similar numbers and times as this guy here:http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...unt-turbo.html

As you can tell from his last few posts his system was upgraded with meth and intercooling. After I finish my system I will get to a dyno sometime in January.

PhantomLover007 · 12-14-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gaowners32

Cool.... So your not going to have any problems with bottoming out?

I was wondering that too. Or if he'd have cornering issues. But, I guess he made sure everything was going to be clear.

How'd you make sure that the piping wasn't going to show in the wheel well?

3800SII · 12-14-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomLover007

I was wondering that too. Or if he'd have cornering issues. But, I guess he made sure everything was going to be clear.

How'd you make sure that the piping wasn't going to show in the wheel well?

Real easy... I placed the flex tube high up in the crevice of the wheel well, and I attached the splash guards so that the fitment could be verified. I had the welding tech tack the pipe to a small bracket and then he placed a small breakable
tack from the bracket to the metal part of the well. I can now move the pipe into position (if needed) and drive a metal sheet screw into the bracket so that it will hold in place.

Right now there is no vibration or contact of the pipe against the well. I will send you a pic of what I am referencing so that you can see it better...

3800SII · 12-14-2008, 05:35 PM

Here ya go!

I left this one out from yesterday somehow....

cmtapanes · 12-16-2008, 09:49 PM

the project is looking very good. That's the same way I have planeed my rear turbo setup. I just order the mandrel pipes for the charge pipe. At first I was thinking about using the flexible exhaust repair pipe like you did but that will affect the performance of the turbo. I had the aluminum intercooler pipes welded last week (the pictures I post it before) I want to minimise the amount of silicone couplings on the turbo.

3800SII · 12-17-2008, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cmtapanes

the project is looking very good. That's the same way I have planeed my rear turbo setup. I just order the mandrel pipes for the charge pipe. At first I was thinking about using the flexible exhaust repair pipe like you did but that will affect the performance of the turbo. I had the aluminum intercooler pipes welded last week (the pictures I post it before) I want to minimise the amount of silicone couplings on the turbo.

Yeah, I am sure that the flexible section was not the best choice, but it will
definetly hold bost, and it was a quick decision. Are you going to have one special
made or are you going to weld up pieces together?

12-13-2008, 11:59 PM	#132
Irate Irasshaimase AKA: Rob Join Date: Aug 1976 Location: Albany vs. Oneonta vs. Philly Posts: 17,481 Vehicle: its "vehico"	awesome progress! Videos on youtube (upon completion) or ban!! __________________ R6 \| STi \| GC Jeep

12-14-2008, 12:54 AM	#133
cardude007617 mmm turbo boost AKA: Paul Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milwaukee WI Age: 31 Posts: 4,870 Vehicle: 2005 WRX Sedan 5 Speed	looks like "stock". good work man, im anxious to see how well this works __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2565053 -2005 World Rally Blue Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan: Tanabe Touring 3in catback, ERZ bellmouth catted downpipe, catless uppipe, SPT Pink springs, SPT short shifter, SPT intake, stereo, Cobb Accessport stage II, Prosport boost/oil temp/volt gauges, 35%, 17x8 Rota Torques, F/R strut braces It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

12-16-2008, 09:49 PM	#139
cmtapanes GAGT - Member AKA: Carlos Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ruskin, Florida Age: 45 Posts: 608 Vehicle: 1999 Grand Am Coupe	the project is looking very good. That's the same way I have planeed my rear turbo setup. I just order the mandrel pipes for the charge pipe. At first I was thinking about using the flexible exhaust repair pipe like you did but that will affect the performance of the turbo. I had the aluminum intercooler pipes welded last week (the pictures I post it before) I want to minimise the amount of silicone couplings on the turbo. Last edited by cmtapanes; 12-16-2008 at 10:03 PM.

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11-28-2008, 10:06 AM	#121
3800SII GAGT - Member AKA: C BOYD Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MEMPHIS, TN Posts: 504 Vehicle: 2004 GRAND AM GT	Yup! You know your stuff! It was a band-aid fix that the 3800 powered F-Bodys, Grand Prixs (and turbo Buick Regals) guys used before mail order tunes and HPT got involved. I can admit that it worked far better on my Firebird than it does the Grand Am! I have been trying to lean out the injectors for some time now until I finish the FI kit. I am really going through gas more because the weather is cold.

12-03-2008, 11:37 PM	#124
3800SII GAGT - Member AKA: C BOYD Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MEMPHIS, TN Posts: 504 Vehicle: 2004 GRAND AM GT	Ok, I got the intercooler piping worked out well...in fact the car is now breathing through it with no airfilter, HA! It is routed to the passenger side, but I will have to start working on the charge piping from the compressor to the front passenger side. I have not finalized a design yet. As you can tell from the pic, the air temperature sender is mounted across from the BOV... I did leave out some details. I forgot to mention that you will need to trim some of the plastic from the winshield washer resevoir, and you will also need to cut off the thin metal bracket that holds the bottom part of the air cleaner assembly. This is all depending on how your bends are made. Sorry, but I did not get a pic of that.

12-03-2008, 11:54 PM	#125
3800SII GAGT - Member AKA: C BOYD Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MEMPHIS, TN Posts: 504 Vehicle: 2004 GRAND AM GT	Here is the "meat" of the exhaust piping that I began tonight! It took me almost a whole hour to sand and scrub the rust off this thing so that I could start painting and wrapping it up! I used a can of black VHT, a can of DEI silicone spray, some old exhaust wrap that was leftover from my Firebird project, and stainless locking ties if you can see from the pic. I stuck a heat gun inside the pipe so that it could dry alot faster. Here is the "finished" product... This is what happens when you run out of exhaust wrap by about a foot. I will finish the bottom part later. On the car and ready to drive, I have two more small sections of piping to work on which near the CAT and muffler.. And before anybody starts whining about the silver foil on the pipe, Here is the explanation: This is aluminzed tape that will help keep more of the heat in and moisture out! The principle is no different than you baking a turkey in foil in the oven. Even heating (and more of itI just know that somebody is gonna throw some gas on me, but I brought my flamesuit!

12-05-2008, 10:24 PM	#126
Shock24Z GAGT - Member AKA: Andy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE Age: 32 Posts: 371 Vehicle: 98 Grand Prix GTP	Function over form

12-13-2008, 01:34 PM	#129
3800SII GAGT - Member AKA: C BOYD Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MEMPHIS, TN Posts: 504 Vehicle: 2004 GRAND AM GT	CHARGE PIPING COMPLETE!!!! Gentlemen, I would have had this finished today, but the guys at the muffler shop are a bunch of SCRUBS! They worked on everyone elses car and only did half of mine. At least the charge pipes were completed. Here is what they cosist of.. Aluminized 2 inch piping, Silicone connectors, flexible exhaust repair pipe (4 feet aroud the wheel well) and 2 inch radiator hoses. I went the cheap route, but I know for a fact that radiator hose (while not reccommended) works really, really good for charge pipe couplers The wanted to go with a silicone piece around the wheel well, but nobody makes one that big. The flex pipe works wonders, and it wont'leak. The splash panels still fit into place with ease. You really can't tell they are there. I will have them painted black like the rest of the car in a little while... Enjoy the pics... [IMG]http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/3800SERIESII/1229198830.jpg [/IMG] [IMG]http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo130/3800SERIESII/1229198824.jpg] The muffler and turbo will be joined together next weekend. I am going to cut everything off on Friday night and have all the parts ready to be rewelded so that I won't have to waste any more time like today.

12-13-2008, 04:59 PM	#130
gaowners32 Omg B00Bz AKA: Cory Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,025 Vehicle: 09 Ford Fusion SEL AWD	Cool.... So your not going to have any problems with bottoming out?

12-14-2008, 05:35 PM	#138
3800SII GAGT - Member AKA: C BOYD Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MEMPHIS, TN Posts: 504 Vehicle: 2004 GRAND AM GT	Here ya go! I left this one out from yesterday somehow....