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Old 02-09-2009, 11:17 AM   #81
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Since you want a truck with good gas mileage, power and AWD, how about this American example...

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

There's a big difference between 4-wheel drive and all-wheel drive. Ask anyone who has ever driven a truck as compared to a Subaru, Audi, or small SUV with AWD. Trucks are great in the snow, but a true AWD vehicle with good tires will beat a 4-wheel drive any day.

My best friend has a 2000 S-10 and it breaks down weekly. It gets around 18 mpg on the highway if he's lucky and his old '97 Grand Am 4-banger was faster. A co-worker has a 2002 S-10 he paid over $30,000 for and just paid off a few months ago. It's now worth $6500. My uncle has a Colorado. He hates it because it, too, constantly has problems and is cheaply made. I'm not totally against American vehicles. My fire company just got a 2008 Ford F-450 Super Duty Diesel. It's incredible. Similarly, my company has '08 Chevy Silverados that are also very nice, but the materials used in Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans are better IMO. Let's face it... in the small pickup market, you simply can't beat a Tacoma, Ridgeline, or even the Frontier. Now, if the Ridgeline just wasn't so funny looking.

I do appreciate brand loyalty and the sense of patriotism by wanting to "buy American," but the best advice I can give is don't be like I used to be and have negative opinions of "foreign" cars just because somebody else said they suck. If you're in the market for a vehicle, do your research, have an open mind, and try out everything (yes, even the Hyundais, Suzukis, and Kias in the world.... for the wife, of course ). It has a lot to do with personal taste, but after driving a Ford, Dodge, Chevy, and Toyota, the Toyota is the best fit for me in the large pickup category. I'm going to start test-driving some sports sedans in a few months to see if those would better suit my needs. You can't rush or unreasonably limit your choices when making such a huge financial decision such as buying a car. You wouldn't pass up a house that perfectly suits you just because it may have been built by master carpenters who where not from the United States, would you?
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:41 PM   #83
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Not to mention toyota and honda, and possibly others are built by american workers.

oh and a note about the materials in "foreign" cars they do not have so much overhead in production costs compared to gm and ford they can put better options in and still sell it cheaper.
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:56 PM   #84
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Old 02-09-2009, 08:07 PM   #85
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It's 4x4 Big differance.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:09 PM   #87
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There's a big difference between 4-wheel drive and all-wheel drive. Ask anyone who has ever driven a truck as compared to a Subaru, Audi, or small SUV with AWD. Trucks are great in the snow, but a true AWD vehicle with good tires will beat a 4-wheel drive any day.

My best friend has a 2000 S-10 and it breaks down weekly. It gets around 18 mpg on the highway if he's lucky and his old '97 Grand Am 4-banger was faster. A co-worker has a 2002 S-10 he paid over $30,000 for and just paid off a few months ago. It's now worth $6500. My uncle has a Colorado. He hates it because it, too, constantly has problems and is cheaply made. I'm not totally against American vehicles. My fire company just got a 2008 Ford F-450 Super Duty Diesel. It's incredible. Similarly, my company has '08 Chevy Silverados that are also very nice, but the materials used in Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans are better IMO. Let's face it... in the small pickup market, you simply can't beat a Tacoma, Ridgeline, or even the Frontier. Now, if the Ridgeline just wasn't so funny looking.

I do appreciate brand loyalty and the sense of patriotism by wanting to "buy American," but the best advice I can give is don't be like I used to be and have negative opinions of "foreign" cars just because somebody else said they suck. If you're in the market for a vehicle, do your research, have an open mind, and try out everything (yes, even the Hyundais, Suzukis, and Kias in the world.... for the wife, of course ). It has a lot to do with personal taste, but after driving a Ford, Dodge, Chevy, and Toyota, the Toyota is the best fit for me in the large pickup category. I'm going to start test-driving some sports sedans in a few months to see if those would better suit my needs. You can't rush or unreasonably limit your choices when making such a huge financial decision such as buying a car. You wouldn't pass up a house that perfectly suits you just because it may have been built by master carpenters who where not from the United States, would you?

Obviously it sound's like your going to buy a Toyota no matter what anyone say's. Just make sure its the right Fit for you. Also make sure if u have any issue's don't come on here crying about this broke that broke etc unless you want to listen to another soap box.

People have there Personal Taste and nothing is going to change how people think.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:36 PM   #88
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I'd really like to get either an s-10 blazer or a mid to late 90's Z28.
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There's a big difference between 4-wheel drive and all-wheel drive. Ask anyone who has ever driven a truck as compared to a Subaru, Audi, or small SUV with AWD. Trucks are great in the snow, but a true AWD vehicle with good tires will beat a 4-wheel drive any day.

My best friend has a 2000 S-10 and it breaks down weekly. It gets around 18 mpg on the highway if he's lucky and his old '97 Grand Am 4-banger was faster. A co-worker has a 2002 S-10 he paid over $30,000 for and just paid off a few months ago. It's now worth $6500. My uncle has a Colorado. He hates it because it, too, constantly has problems and is cheaply made. I'm not totally against American vehicles. My fire company just got a 2008 Ford F-450 Super Duty Diesel. It's incredible. Similarly, my company has '08 Chevy Silverados that are also very nice, but the materials used in Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans are better IMO. Let's face it... in the small pickup market, you simply can't beat a Tacoma, Ridgeline, or even the Frontier. Now, if the Ridgeline just wasn't so funny looking.

I do appreciate brand loyalty and the sense of patriotism by wanting to "buy American," but the best advice I can give is don't be like I used to be and have negative opinions of "foreign" cars just because somebody else said they suck. If you're in the market for a vehicle, do your research, have an open mind, and try out everything (yes, even the Hyundais, Suzukis, and Kias in the world.... for the wife, of course ). It has a lot to do with personal taste, but after driving a Ford, Dodge, Chevy, and Toyota, the Toyota is the best fit for me in the large pickup category. I'm going to start test-driving some sports sedans in a few months to see if those would better suit my needs. You can't rush or unreasonably limit your choices when making such a huge financial decision such as buying a car. You wouldn't pass up a house that perfectly suits you just because it may have been built by master carpenters who where not from the United States, would you?
You last analogy is a boat load of fail.
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I plan on keeping the grand am til I get out of high school, but when I do I want something with a v8, Probley a gto or g8.
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Obviously it sound's like your going to buy a Toyota no matter what anyone say's. Just make sure its the right Fit for you. Also make sure if u have any issue's don't come on here crying about this broke that broke etc unless you want to listen to another soap box.

People have there Personal Taste and nothing is going to change how people think.
I love my GA, but it has things go wrong with it just like any other vehicle. It's been good to me for the most part, but you're gonna have problems with any vehicle no matter what it is. They may be small problems or very big, very expensive ones, but it's inevitable that maintaining a vehicle takes a lot of time and money.

I haven't ruled anything out yet, but I'm strongly leaning to the Toyota or a Subaru. It's all gonna depend on if I can find a good used one at the time I'm purchasing and, of course, on my budget and specific needs.
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Speaking of small pickup trucks, has anyone seen the new Suzuki Equator? It looks to be built similarly to the Tacoma, but it's much less expensive. It has the same 4.0 DOHC V6, but has 261 horses and 281 lb-ft. of torque with a 6500 lb. towing capacity. It seems to be a pretty good contender in the market. I just can't believe it came from Suzuki...
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Speaking of small pickup trucks, has anyone seen the new Suzuki Equator? It looks to be built similarly to the Tacoma, but it's much less expensive. It has the same 4.0 DOHC V6, but has 261 horses and 281 lb-ft. of torque with a 6500 lb. towing capacity. It seems to be a pretty good contender in the market. I just can't believe it came from Suzuki...
Its nothing more then a Nissan Frontier. Same truck same everything there just rebadging it for Suzuki.
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my ga will remain my daily but after i graduate i will be buying a 93-98 MKIV supra. maybe a hooptie 240sx for a toy. but the supra is my dream ride and i'll have one a few years after i get out of school
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Its nothing more then a Nissan Frontier. Same truck same everything there just rebadging it for Suzuki.
Oh, man. Yeah, I just looked on Nissan's website. Definitely the EXACT same truck. They're about the same price, too. Interesting...

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my ga will remain my daily but after i graduate i will be buying a 93-98 MKIV supra. maybe a hooptie 240sx for a toy. but the supra is my dream ride and i'll have one a few years after i get out of school

Amazing vehicle, but is it fairly easy to find one around where you live? Plus, you're talking about some serious cash. I was looking on autotrader.com at some that were $60k and others that were up around $100k. It looks like even one with under 100,000 miles in good shape will run you $35k at minimum. But who can really put a pricetag on having a Supra????
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no they aren't. but i have 2 friends that have them and are in the supra community and i'm on supraforums.com just as much as i am on ga forums. i don't mind driving cross country to pick the best one up. the color i want is VERY rare so i don't think i'll find that one. but when i find one that is right for me i'll drive to NY or cali to go get it.
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this is the one i want. anthricite TT 6 speed.

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i know right. i've been researching these for so long and it makes me sad that they don't make them anymore.
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Amazing vehicle, but is it fairly easy to find one around where you live? Plus, you're talking about some serious cash. I was looking on autotrader.com at some that were $60k and others that were up around $100k. It looks like even one with under 100,000 miles in good shape will run you $35k at minimum. But who can really put a pricetag on having a Supra????
well on the forums a supra just sold w/ the following

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