Is a grand am worth modifying.

[themanytoys15]

very true about the engine and ive seen those videos before but i was saying about the engineering failures and many wonders this car is about, sometimes i believe thier should be a survival guide for this car for all the failures and fustaring moments, im not here to offend anyone but this car is a piece of **** and should not be modded, never the less be taught of as a racer type.

[customgagt94]

so then y do u still own this vehcile and y r u on this site if u don;t like it then go to another one and ith bout them to

[chuckclose1]

Originally Posted by themanytoys15

All i know this car sucks balls and maybe making this car a RWD is a ****ed up concept, but i believe it can be done and be unique aswell. All in all, this car has a beautiful exterior but thats it!! its engine has lack of power, i hate the 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and everything about it the 60 degree v6s, examples why: the fact the one day the car runs great and then the next day it runs like crap, the security issues, weak gaskets, no REAL cold air intake, fake ram air, overheating issues, power windows failing, heavy ass car, pre-transmission failure, hardly any parts, overheating, air condition faliure, water pump failure, non-aerodynamic, front headlights bulbs are a bitch to change if done wrong your headlight might become loose, ****!! i can go on!! since the early 90s GM had time to perfect this engine and failed to do so. And for another know fact that none of its parts where made in US, most of them where made in mexico. This is supposed to be an American BUILD car!!! I really cant blame no one for this but GM, and i hope GM fired those ****ing engineers for desgining this ****ing car. ANd for the record THIS CAR is the perfect example why GM is going bankrupt and why they are shuting down Pontiac.

why are you driving this car again??
if you hate it that much sell the damn thing.

[Mike Jung]

Originally Posted by chuckclose1

why are you driving this car again??
if you hate it that much sell the damn thing.

& what are the original GAGT.com members driving again now ?

Hmm...


PS: My Mom now has my '99 GA SE2.
& she loves it too.

[cardude007617]

audi's
bmw's
GTO's
G8
WRX

etc etc

[stewartfn18]

Originally Posted by themanytoys15

All i know this car sucks balls and maybe making this car a RWD is a ****ed up concept, but i believe it can be done and be unique aswell. All in all, this car has a beautiful exterior but thats it!! its engine has lack of power, i hate the 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and everything about it the 60 degree v6s, examples why: the fact the one day the car runs great and then the next day it runs like crap, the security issues, weak gaskets, no REAL cold air intake, fake ram air, overheating issues, power windows failing, heavy ass car, pre-transmission failure, hardly any parts, overheating, air condition faliure, water pump failure, non-aerodynamic, front headlights bulbs are a bitch to change if done wrong your headlight might become loose, ****!! i can go on!! since the early 90s GM had time to perfect this engine and failed to do so. And for another know fact that none of its parts where made in US, most of them where made in mexico. This is supposed to be an American BUILD car!!! I really cant blame no one for this but GM, and i hope GM fired those ****ing engineers for desgining this ****ing car. ANd for the record THIS CAR is the perfect example why GM is going bankrupt and why they are shuting down Pontiac.

1. i have one question for you. Why the hell did you buy this car then? all of those things youve listed are common problems with 90% of cars on the road, and if it doesnt happen "prematurely", then it happens over time with age.

2. having the parts made in mexico isnt wrong, you said theyre american built, not american made. this car is not the reason GM is going bankrupt. its people like you spreading your slander and lies about why you THINK this is the problem, and thats scarring the consumers away. not only that, but its the economy too, did you not read the toyota thread?

3. In my personal opinion, "Modifying" is too broad of a term to ask the presented question. they may not be the fastst on the road, but the can be modified to outhandle a lot of cars on the road. i like to tinker with things,it just so happens that i had the GA to do it with. i had fun building up my spare 3400 with the small amount of parts that i gathered. id do it again too if i got the chance. so yes, in my eyes the Grand Am IS worth modifying.

and by the way. the 3.3 was a 90 degree v6.

/Rant

[Vegeta]

Originally Posted by themanytoys15

All i know this car sucks balls and maybe making this car a RWD is a ****ed up concept, but i believe it can be done and be unique aswell. All in all, this car has a beautiful exterior but thats it!! its engine has lack of power, i hate the 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and everything about it the 60 degree v6s, examples why: the fact the one day the car runs great and then the next day it runs like crap, the security issues, weak gaskets, no REAL cold air intake, fake ram air, overheating issues, power windows failing, heavy ass car, pre-transmission failure, hardly any parts, overheating, air condition faliure, water pump failure, non-aerodynamic, front headlights bulbs are a bitch to change if done wrong your headlight might become loose, ****!! i can go on!! since the early 90s GM had time to perfect this engine and failed to do so. And for another know fact that none of its parts where made in US, most of them where made in mexico. This is supposed to be an American BUILD car!!! I really cant blame no one for this but GM, and i hope GM fired those ****ing engineers for desgining this ****ing car. ANd for the record THIS CAR is the perfect example why GM is going bankrupt and why they are shuting down Pontiac.

Good for you. 3.0 and 3.3 are 90V6s for the record. If you are gonna rant, at least be accurate.

[Nick-G]

Originally Posted by themanytoys15

All i know this car sucks balls and maybe making this car a RWD is a ****ed up concept, but i believe it can be done and be unique aswell. All in all, this car has a beautiful exterior but thats it!! its engine has lack of power, i hate the 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and everything about it the 60 degree v6s, examples why: the fact the one day the car runs great and then the next day it runs like crap, the security issues, weak gaskets, no REAL cold air intake, fake ram air, overheating issues, power windows failing, heavy ass car, pre-transmission failure, hardly any parts, overheating, air condition faliure, water pump failure, non-aerodynamic, front headlights bulbs are a bitch to change if done wrong your headlight might become loose, ****!! i can go on!! since the early 90s GM had time to perfect this engine and failed to do so. And for another know fact that none of its parts where made in US, most of them where made in mexico. This is supposed to be an American BUILD car!!! I really cant blame no one for this but GM, and i hope GM fired those ****ing engineers for desgining this ****ing car. ANd for the record THIS CAR is the perfect example why GM is going bankrupt and why they are shuting down Pontiac.

You suck at life when it comes to managing a car. Go invest in a pedal bike.

[beelzebob]

I may be a newbie here but I have something to say on this. I see a lot of people trashing their own rides in this thread...WTF?!?! If you don't like your ride this is not the place for you. this is a forum for people who like their rides.

Modding any car is an expression of individuality and is usually done for the same reasons someone gets a tattoo or a mohawk hairdo. modding purely for speed is the exception, not the rule since even those who have speed in mind usually do some external mods. And F.Y.I. GM is closing down pontiac so these cars will be as collectible as a desoto one day sooner than you think. These cars are the last cars EVER to have the name GRAND AM we can make people think of these cars as being closer to edsels or closer to corvettes. That is up to us.

To anyone who thinks modding the n - body GA is a waste of time..... you clearly don't know what you are talking about and should study up or shut the f*** up.
I'm not a mechanic but when I bought my GAGT I did some homework. Even talking to Milzy over at milzy motorsports on the phone (Great Guy!) as well as several other people who have experience modding vehicles that are less than obvious choices. They all basically agreed that this platform could be brought up to 650HP and remain street legal. now with more companies offering aftermarket parts this goal is getting easier to reach and as more people try to reach this type of goal the more people will want to mod this platform which in turn will lead to more companies creating parts for the platform and on it will go. So again EITHER STUDY UP OR SHUT THE F*** UP! I could go on about this but i'll stop. the point is, if you don't like your car GET A NEW ONE, THIS FORUM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE THEIR RIDES SO IF YOU DON'T, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE OR START A FORUM FOR PEOPLE THAT HATE OWNING THESE CARS BUT ARE TOO STUPID TO MAKE A CHANGE.

Sorry to be so harsh but I thought this had to be said.

[cardude007617]

sorry but 650HP ? not without some extremely extensive modifications.....

[kse73]

Originally Posted by beelzebob

I may be a newbie here but I have something to say on this. I see a lot of people trashing their own rides in this thread...WTF?!?! If you don't like your ride this is not the place for you. this is a forum for people who like their rides.

Modding any car is an expression of individuality and is usually done for the same reasons someone gets a tattoo or a mohawk hairdo. modding purely for speed is the exception, not the rule since even those who have speed in mind usually do some external mods. And F.Y.I. GM is closing down pontiac so these cars will be as collectible as a desoto one day sooner than you think. These cars are the last cars EVER to have the name GRAND AM we can make people think of these cars as being closer to edsels or closer to corvettes. That is up to us.

To anyone who thinks modding the n - body GA is a waste of time..... you clearly don't know what you are talking about and should study up or shut the f*** up.
I'm not a mechanic but when I bought my GAGT I did some homework. Even talking to Milzy over at milzy motorsports on the phone (Great Guy!) as well as several other people who have experience modding vehicles that are less than obvious choices. They all basically agreed that this platform could be brought up to 650HP and remain street legal. now with more companies offering aftermarket parts this goal is getting easier to reach and as more people try to reach this type of goal the more people will want to mod this platform which in turn will lead to more companies creating parts for the platform and on it will go. So again EITHER STUDY UP OR SHUT THE F*** UP! I could go on about this but i'll stop. the point is, if you don't like your car GET A NEW ONE, THIS FORUM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE THEIR RIDES SO IF YOU DON'T, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE OR START A FORUM FOR PEOPLE THAT HATE OWNING THESE CARS BUT ARE TOO STUPID TO MAKE A CHANGE.

Sorry to be so harsh but I thought this had to be said.

I like my ride.... but I don't own a Grand Am anymore. Had I known then what I know now, I would have spent substantially less on my Grand Am and waited to mod something with more potential. But hey, I still loved my Grand Am. It just wasn't built to be FAST.

[beelzebob]

Originally Posted by themanytoys15

All i know this car sucks balls and maybe making this car a RWD is a ****ed up concept, but i believe it can be done and be unique aswell. All in all, this car has a beautiful exterior but thats it!! its engine has lack of power, i hate the 3.0, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 and everything about it the 60 degree v6s, examples why: the fact the one day the car runs great and then the next day it runs like crap, the security issues, weak gaskets, no REAL cold air intake, fake ram air, overheating issues, power windows failing, heavy ass car, pre-transmission failure, hardly any parts, overheating, air condition faliure, water pump failure, non-aerodynamic, front headlights bulbs are a bitch to change if done wrong your headlight might become loose, ****!! i can go on!! since the early 90s GM had time to perfect this engine and failed to do so. And for another know fact that none of its parts where made in US, most of them where made in mexico. This is supposed to be an American BUILD car!!! I really cant blame no one for this but GM, and i hope GM fired those ****ing engineers for desgining this ****ing car. ANd for the record THIS CAR is the perfect example why GM is going bankrupt and why they are shuting down Pontiac.

WTF DUDE!?! you're an ! why don't you get a ricer, put on a fart can, change the turbo, and masturbate as you go down the road?!? If you have that much negative sh*t to say you clearly shouldn't be owning a GA. you are clearly unamerican... go eat sushi.

[beelzebob]

Originally Posted by cardude007617

sorry but 650HP ? not without some extremely extensive modifications.....

I never said it would be easy. yeah you would have to completely rebuild the engine from the ground up. the tranny too. and install twin turbos.

[boost21]

Originally Posted by beelzebob

I never said it would be easy. yeah you would have to completely rebuild the engine from the ground up. the tranny too. and install twin turbos.

Why twin turbo over single turbo? I had a hell of a time routing a single turbo in the engine bay, I'm interested how you would plan on fitting twins.

[chuckclose1]

Originally Posted by boost21

Why twin turbo over single turbo? I had a hell of a time routing a single turbo in the engine bay, I'm interested how you would plan on fitting twins.

id put money on it someone will make it happen within 2 yrs or less

[stewartfn18]

Originally Posted by chuckclose1

id put money on it someone will make it happen within 2 yrs or less

i wouldnt.

[burgett2103]

Originally Posted by chuckclose1

id put money on it someone will make it happen within 2 yrs or less

haven't some people already done this? 2 little single turbo's compared to a big single turbo... i think it's about the same gains

[AleroB888]

Originally Posted by kse73

...... Had I known then what I know now, I would have spent substantially less on my Grand Am and waited to mod something with more potential.

"Had I known then what I know now" is one of the main reasons for this website, but if you don't have the competitive, willing to take a risk spirit to begin with, you are missing the main point, and shouldn't be modding anything -- GTOs, Blazers, whatever -- it's what can you do that's creative, and better compared to the same model car.
If you are starting out with the notion that "I have to have a 12 second car," and don't have the patience, by all means, plunk down the cash in advance for one.

Originally Posted by kse73

But hey, I still loved my Grand Am. It just wasn't built to be FAST.

I also modded my first car, a '55 Ford, when all the other teenagers wanted '55 Chevys or Mustangs. It was a graduation present, and cost $250.00. I probably spent about 500 dollars modding it, amateur body work, three-2-barrel intake, etc., and had fun and actually learned something from it.

Then I got a '65 442, when everybody said, "Whut's that, ya shoulda got a Super Bee." I could have, didn't want to. So that got modded as well, and was a sleeper for back then.

Could I have spent less money in the process? Maybe. But I wouldn't really do it much differently if I had it to do over.

And look at it this way -- if you buy a GTO, you almost HAVE to mod it....

or you just might wind up getting beat by a GrandAm.

[chuckclose1]

Originally Posted by burgett2103

haven't some people already done this? 2 little single turbo's compared to a big single turbo... i think it's about the same gains

ok i won the bet. someone pay meh my money

[Nick-G]

Originally Posted by chuckclose1

id put money on it someone will make it happen within 2 yrs or less

It won't happen. Why spend nearly twice as much money just to have two when you will get the same results with just one?